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Dialogue of Civilizations: Three Western Visions

By Sameer Morcos

18/08/2004

Of People or of Civilizations?

The event of September 11, 2001 led to the existence of two new opposite tendencies in relation to the cross-civilizational/cross-cultural relations on the one side, and religion on the other. On the one hand, we find an active movement bringing all peoples from around the world together to a dialogue between civilizations. On the other hand, we find the war machine at its best—basically the American one—rallying behind an ideological cover-up pointing toward the “clash” between civilizations. The paradox is that both of these movements originated in the West, which fact shows the extent of this paradoxical make-up permitting the coexistence of the two extremes within one Western context—that of “dialogue” and another of a “clash.” Non-Westerners may find it difficult to comprehend all that; how could the two opposites meet? Is the relation between the East and the West clash-based or civilization-based? Is the “clash” between just the “religions” or “civilizations” in essence, or does it involve their adherents, too?


Realistically speaking, “civilizations” don’t carry out dialogues or conflicts. It is the adherents who struggle for dialogue over issues pertaining in the first degree to interests.


Realistically speaking, “civilizations” don’t carry out dialogues or conflicts. It is the adherents who struggle for dialogue over issues pertaining in the first degree to interests. People’s stands are not strictly the product of their civilizations and cultures; their stands are the product of social and national make-up, or even the cross-continental reality under globalization, per se.

We believe that civilizations are not by nature fixed mechanisms or blocs, but they contain diversity and opposition. This concept has permitted the existence of a variety of visions explaining the relationship between civilizations. What we are trying to avoid is the perspective that sees the world as a one-dimensional interplay, either that of a pure “dialogue” or a pure “clash” for the sake of a particular interest or a reading of the world within a specific historical context. In other words, what allowed for the diversity of perspectives in the West, in regard to the relation between the East and the West, is the “interest factor” and the position of the existing social structure. This allows some groups to work for their interests or according to their social agenda and propagate for either the clash or the dialogue.

In a particular historical moment, maybe one vision will overshadow the other. In this case, one should investigate the “balance of power” to get the right answers. And consequently, the relationship between civilizations—whether conflict or dialogue—is not a premeditated decision, but rather the direct product of “historical event.” The balance of power from the 16th century onward favored the West (known as Western centralization), thus permitting the West to either impose a vision of conflict or a dialogue, on the one hand, or to pursue both at the same time, on the other. That balance of power within the West favors the proponent of conflict more then the advocate of dialogue.

Three Western Visions

Before introducing the cotemporary Western visions in relation to the question of the dialogue of civilizations, let’s make sure to highlight the way the West sees itself in relation to the Other: The West assumes that it has succeeded both materialistically and spiritually; its civilization should be the model to follow. This success has given it the right to define the nature of its relationship with the Other solely for the sake of its own interest. The self-serving argument here is that material progress does not occur without spiritual mobilization and ethical revival, an attitude which brings about a new attitude toward work, progress, rights and duties, and ethics.

Ethics, whether behavioral or religious, are part of the movement of society; they are as changeable as the society itself. Slavery, for example, which was once acceptable, is no longer so. On the other hand, democracy, absolute right to private ownership, election, human rights, residency are all concepts fundamental to the Western civilizations, which spread to Europe and then to America. The progress in the West is not just an addition to materialist success based on a set of fixed ethics: On the contrary, it was the result of a material and spiritual renaissance. Perhaps expansionism had a hand in that and so did the acquisition of wealth. Still, religious reforms also took place, starting in Western Europe then America. Scientific development, principles of democracy, and the birth of the modern-day citizen and many other values and ideas were introduced, contributing to the state of the Western world.


A single Western reality did not prevent the creation of different visions of how to see the Other from expressing themselves from within.


Although this understanding of the Western worldview encompasses an amount of self-awareness of itself in relation to the Other, this awareness has led to more than one vision on how to deal with the Other, over a long period of time. A single Western reality did not prevent the creation of different visions of how to see the Other from expressing themselves from within. It is true that the political interest has favored to a great extent the predominance of one vision over the others, a vision with an expansionist inclination that shaped the Western politics for over two centuries.

In an attempt to understand the subject matter, we can categorize three Western visions regarding relationship between civilizations, in particular its political dimension:

  1. The classical Orientalist vision (both old and contemporary)

  2. The neo-classical Orientalist vision

  3. The civic populist grass-roots vision

Before going into the three visions, it is important to clarify that the events of 9/11 and their aftermath took place under the label “the West and Islam.” That was the public discourse, at times, or the insinuation of the American administration, and maybe Europe, in relation to placing the events in their “proper” context. We do not intend to reduce the matter to just a relationship with a religious or cultural nature, either a “clash” or “dialogue,” but to understand the real reasons behind it and beyond it, and the reasons behind the persistence in explaining the relation between cultural, civilizational entities just on religious grounds.

The Classical Orientalist Vision

It is safe to say that this vision is based on the concept of an unfolding historical struggle between the Western world and the world of Islam. According to Fred Hallyday, the famous international relations and Middle East specialist, it is a deep-rooted struggle for over a thousand years, starting with the conquest of Spain in the 7th century, passing by the Crusades, the Ottoman-European conflict, and racial and ethnic conflicts during the cold war era in the European continent. Furthermore, Edward Said, the eminent scholar, added that the term Islam, as it is, is used today in the West as if it describes one simple sealed thing. This is an illusion, an ideological generalization. It is confining and limiting. His thesis is that any direct reduction of Islam—with all its inhabitants, vast expanses, and the tens of its societies, countries, history, geography, and the many different cultures it covers—into such reductionist sealed assertions falls short in understanding reality.

This reductionism that is brilliantly identified by Edward Said is the essence of the classical Orientalist vision. Although it disappeared for some time, it re-appeared during the high-time of Western economic expansion. According to Anwar Abdel Malik, the well-known Arab intellectual, the birth of classical-style Orientalism coincided with the beginning of Western conquests. In relation to political dimension or “study areas,” the Orientalist approach is based on two elements:

  1. The “absolute distinction” between East and West

  2. The intrinsic nature of the clash between East and West

The first rule is best expressed in the poetry of Rudyard Kipling The Ballad of the East and the West”:

“Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.”


It is a prospect that is unattainable by other nations and cultures—as all nations and cultures are without a future unless they forsake their identity and yield to total Westernization.


In relation to the first principle, that of absolute distinction, the advocates of classical-style Orientalism propose the West as a unit with fixed properties and assured the prospect of its advancement. It is a prospect that is unattainable by other nations and cultures—as all nations and cultures are without a future unless they forsake their identity and yield to total Westernization. Classical Orientalists also claim that the superiority of the west is implicit from the beginning, which makes their ideology and agenda a racist character.

The second rule, the intrinsic nature of the clash between the East and West, is based on an epistemological frame giving the West the role of researcher and the East the subject of the latter’s research. The result of this “research” is to register and record the reasons for the intrinsic clash in the Other, the East. This record, according to Azziz Al-`Azmah, does not revolve around finding middle ground; it is an absolutist and negativist account on the differences and deficiencies of the Other.

These two rules are heading toward the universal categorization and human grouping, as the par excellence classical Orientalist Bernard Lewis has clearly explained in Cultures in Conflict, in addition to Huntington’s infamous study of the clash of civilizations, on which the West has based its idea of the Other: “The West and the Rest.”

The role played by Huntington and a selection of American scholars is to revive the classical Orientalist school by using the vocabulary that suits American interests, especially in the post–cold war world. This style of thinking was reflected in an important symposium Culture Matters: How Values Shape Human Progress, which was later co-edited by Huntington and published in 2000 by the Center for Area Studies in Harvard. The basic thesis is that the cultural element alone is responsible for the economic and political development. Also, the cultural make-up is the crucial factor in (re-)affirming the distinction between “us” and “them.” Again, only in a “politically correct” manner, the backwardness of the Other was seen as irrecoverable and the Other was doomed to this fate by geographical and climatic factors. It is sheer borrowing from old concepts and giving them new shape and function. In the volume published on that symposium, written by Lawrence E. Harrison and Samuel Huntington, there is no visible difference between the old hypothesis and what this vision has proposed.

The coalition between the American right wing and the religious right after 9/11 and the American president’s portrayal of the war against terror as a “war of civilizations” is a case in point.

The Neo-Orientalist Vision


This vision sees that a “culture” is a tool to express conflict, not a motive for one.


The neo-Orientalist vision calls for a dialogue between the cultures, civilizations, and religions, stating that the civilization struggle is not a conflict around Jesus, Confucius, or Muhammad, per se, as much as it is a struggle stemming from the “unjust distribution” of power, wealth, influence, and the contempt toward the underdeveloped by the developed that has lasted throughout history. This vision sees that a “culture” is a tool to express conflict, not a motive for one. Despite the effort of this vision to differentiate itself from the Orientalist, old and contemporary alike, the obsession with the existence of an enemy and the importance to define its identity (especially vis-à-vis the Other) remain common factors between this vision and its classical counterpart. The positive element in this vision is the difference we notice when comparing it to the classical vision. It does not name “in advance” its enemies, but sets principles and measuring standards, and anyone who acts against these principles will be definitely considered as an enemy. These principles are

  1. Capitalism and the free market

  2. Human rights and the secular liberal democracy

  3. Nation-state as a frame to international relation

  4. This vision sees that a “culture” is a tool to express conflict, not a motive for one.

The advocates of this vision do not hesitate to criticize the Western system and accept the criticism of the Others, from the Third and Eastern Worlds, which has created a space for dialogue between the West and the rest. They also do not object to borrowing some of the vocabulary and concepts from the school of “neo-dependence,” or some of the terminology coined by the (principally Western) international community, pertaining to socio-economic circumstances such as North-South, East-West, First and Third Worlds. This movement is also interested in the works of international organizations working in the fields of development, women, environment, poverty-eradication, and the like.

The advocates of the neo-Orientalist vision have devoted a considerable amount of time trying to understand the social reality of the Third World, particularly the Muslim countries, inquiring about the reasons that led to the instability in some of these countries and the effect of that on the world order. The neo-Orientalist vision accepts the fact that the Muslim world lives with sanctions imposed on it by the West in many crucial areas, such as political, military, cultural, social, and economic realms. This understanding extends to re-reading the history of the origin of the clash between the East and the West, in addition to re-reading the question of the validity of modernization, along with its social and economic dimensions

The proponents of the neo-Orientalists vision believe, still, in the difference of the Other from the West and the Western model; even if it needs some changes and revisiting, it is still the successful model to be followed. This vision has required the West to shoulder the following tasks:

  1. To revise the Western ethics and concepts in order to keep track with the changing reality of the world

  2. To leave the Third World pursue its way toward modernization, choosing the process that suits it best, and to react favorably toward those who achieve economic progress through applying the Western model

  3. To extend help to those who cannot apply the Western pattern alone in order to avoid a clash between the East and the West.

The Civil Popular Grass-Root Vision

Within the Western system we find those who have rejected the colonial heritage and who have overcome the idea of dividing the world among civilizations or blocs; that is, by rising above the common dominator(s) that bring together one civilization or bloc against the others. We find that the people who fought most strenuously against modernization were people from the Western labor unions, environmentalists, and activists in the Western civil society, those who are trying to establish an independent stand from that of the Western government, especially that of the United States of America.

It is a well known fact that the American administration runs the country’s foreign policy on behalf of the American people. This absolutist system has increased with the election of a hard-line rightist president, George W. Bush, and, naturally, this government has become even more rigid after 9/11. The advocates of the popular grass-root vision try to rebel against the visions and the politics that lead to the “clash” between civilizations in regard to Western dominance, and have fought internally against oppressive social and economic policies within the framework of the Western system. They have expressed their solidarity with the world’s poorer people regardless of their affiliation. They have insisted on the importance of tolerating diversity as one of the major elements bringing humanity together, in contrast to a discriminatory, triumphalist vision that causes a real threat to pluralismthat which makes one ethnic group different than another ethnic group, or one ideology different than another, or one religion different than another religion. The advocates of this vision were able through modern communication systems to mobilize allies around the globe in order to face the governing extremist vision that subscribes to the “clash” between civilizations.

We can say that this vision opposes all the previous ones in its intellectual content, on one hand, and in its activist dimension, on the other. It is a popular movement that refuses the idea of the hegemony of the West and refuses the struggle of civilizations based on West versus East, or the West versus Islam. According to this theory, the struggle should be against globalization, regardless whether it originated in the West. It is imperative to mobilize the disadvantaged peoples, whether from the West or the East, the rich North or the poor South, within the Western civilization or the Islamic one.


This movement could be seen as a “bottom-up globalization,”… aiming at exposing and fighting the negative effects of the economic dimension of globalization.


This movement could be seen as a “bottom-up globalization,” if one may say so, aiming at exposing and fighting the negative effects of the economic dimension of globalization. The movement focuses on the eradication of poverty, marginalization, pollution, violation of human rights—due to the policies of international financial institutions, whether from the North or the South. Calling for the establishment of an alternative world economic system based on justice, not on the free market and grim capitalism.

Under these principles, many actors and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) were formed representing all trends, schools of thoughts, and interests. These NGOs vary between the charitable, religious, progressive, radical, youth, women, labor and agricultural unions, and social groups. All the above organizations are trying to establish a developmental track substituting that of Western-style modernization. Instead, these NGOs and actors are struggling for the founding of economic, social, and political structures based on cooperation, democracy, political participation, social justice, cultural diversification, and protection of the environment.

The civil popular grass-root movement has greatly benefited from the Internet in fast communication, exchange of information, corroboration, and mobilization. It has made use of the non-centralized democratic mechanisms (as it has broken the sense of centrality and superiority of Western civilization), which suit the diverse preferences and interests of its adherents. This has allowed a great deal of independence for the members of this movement, giving them more space to make use of their individual experience, knowledge and social in trying to achieve the ultimate goals of this vision.

Thus, this vision has far surpassed the previous two visions, and what happened in Seattle and Durbin. The “What We’re Fighting For” declaration, signed by 60 liberal intellectuals and progressives thinkers, and the many other open letters and declarations of 9/11 are but manifestations and expressions of this vision. In regard to that, an iconic Arab intellectual, sees such an action as a clear expression of alternative visions other than the Orientalist and neo-Orientalist schools. This vision encourages the alliance between similar interest groups from different civilizations, and this applies to the current dialogue between civil societies coming from different cultures—what we can call the dialogue between civilizations. The first two movements, the classical Orientalist and neo-Orientalist, were the expression of interest of the people in power, unlike the last, the grass-roots vision, which is a civil, popular, and fundamental vision focusing on justice.

Toward a Civilizational Dialogue Between the Civil Forces

We have tried to analyze the three main Western visions regarding the dialogue between civilizations and to refute the “clash or dialogue” dichotomy.


The true dialogue is the one that links peoples with common interests, and disproves the idea of civilizational blocs with unique and common cultural elements.


The call for dialogue between civilizations under a “clashing” reality has become quite marginalized. The true dialogue is the one that links peoples with common interests, and disproves the idea of civilizational blocs with unique and common cultural elements. The main goal for the advocates of dialogue (against the call for clash) is to break down the absolutist ideologies on cross-civilizational grounds. Civilizations are not mere absolute cultural blocs. Democracy and human rights in the West were the result of long struggles, and the people paid their price dearly, in wars and suffering; therefore, democracy can never be imposed and passed on to others from above mechanically, with through “transplantation”; nor through a dialogue that subsists a will to dominate, rather than as a tool of free cultural interaction, as it should be.

Democracy and human rights cannot be imposed using the classical Orientalist discourse whether old or new, modified or otherwise. Historically, the European expansion since the 16th century has proven the failure and the existence of a grave dark side to such visions, as seen by thinkers like Imanuel Wallerstein many and others. The success of the Western model in the American experience of the cold war reinforced the idea of “ forcefully or otherwise, we would not the Other apply our model?” Even worse, the American administration has perpetuated a new motto in dealing with the Other: “The world is either with us or against us”a paradox between an “imposed democracy” and the still-believed application of human rights and the rights of the individual as a product of human historical experience.

In this context, the civil popular grass-root vision comes to the forefront, where each political experience should be lived to its fullest in the light of its own reality. Also, we can see that this vision allows space for other centralities other than the Western one. It is our duty in this historical milestoneespecially under the American hegemonic foreign policy and its dominant attitude toward the rest of the world—to extend the bridges of dialogue between all the civil, popular, and grass-root forces in the West that adopt a vision that corresponds with our true pluralist interests. The proper vision to see the cross-civilizational reality is based on seeing how to bring the different peoples together and create a better world that serves them all equally, not a mere distortion and re-arrangement of the reality to fit an ideological agenda by imposing certain ideas, altering reality through magnifying certain judgments and marginalizing others. We should not fall for the over-simplistic jargon of “clash of civilizations” or “crusades” and the like; instead, we should feel the pulse of the immediate needs of the peoples around the world. The struggle or the dialogue should be about the people, their issues, and their interests.

Sameer Morcos is an Egyptian researcher, thinker, and a member of the advisory committee of the “ Program on the Dialogue Between Civilizations” in the School of Economics and Political Science, Cairo University.


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