I disagree.

Having Muslim experts is a victory itself, one day if  the political will changes, experts will be there.

And even if it is not going to happen, we have the honor that we have them anyway. 

I don't think we have those 8 astronauts for show, simply because they had strived until they achieved this, they were not assigned by their Islamic governments.

About your comment about many Muslims suffering poverty, I agree with you that Muslims like others have economical probleems.

But being poor doesn't justify to stop all our activities until we overcome poverty.

What about India?

They are poor ,and in the same time they are number 1 in IT, and I don't need to remind you that they have a nuclear program.

 What space technology do we have ? Where is our equivalent of NASA ?

I do not know about you - but it makes my heart cry to see the hundreds of millions of Muslims living in poverty. India is free to do as it pleases. India is NOT the object of an anti-terror war.

We are and we have to resolve this difficult issue asap. The best way to fight extremism, terror and boost our productivity in Science & Technology is precisely to :

a) Eliminate poverty

b) Educate the masses

Nothing improves Science & Technology better than poverty eradication and a good education....................

You are the king of complainers.  Your list of posts proves it.

Poverty affects all races and religions but since you bring it up what do you say about the billions of Christians who live in poverty?  Isn't the Christian world sick as well for allowing it to continue?  Isn't poverty the sole reason why Mexicans are pouring over the US border?  Mexico is a Christian nation last I heard.

So instead of constantly complaining about Muslims----offer suggestions!

Why is space travel even considered important? We are using up the Earth's resources, and polluting our atmosphere, and even space itself, by continuing with these space expeditions. Sure, we might learn some new things out there, but what do we ultimately end up using the knowledge for? To control one another more tyranically? (now using satellite technology to keep track of the movements of any person in the world that we choose to, and to empower us in our ever more devastating conflicts with one another) Or to create ever more devastating weapons to use agains't each other? (soon we'll be shooting at each other, with lasers, from space...)

I think perhaps we have transgressed the bounds of what man really should do. I'm all for grounding all the planes, (which we use far too often, to drop bombs, and spread the cancer of our own corruption ever farther, so that no corner of the planet is safe from the encroachment of man's evil) and canceling all space travel, unless and until we can get things here on the ground, under control.

Do you realize how much fossil fuel it takes to launch one missile into space??? Do you realize how much of the earth we have to tear up, to get the materials needed to fabricate one of  these spacecraft??? And every time we enter space, we leave our garbage behind. It's just one more frontier for us to spoil, pollute, and exploit unmercifully.

I'd say the Muslims are doing the right thing, by declining to follow the path that the rest of the world is taking, as it is a path which leads to destruction and the despoiling of Allah's beautiful creation...

Instead of worrying about traveling into space, we should be more concerned with trying to find ways to live in balance and harmony, here on this Earth that Allah has given us. Are we so ungrateful, that we think the Earth is not enough for us?? If we continue to take for granted this beautiful planet which Allah has given us, we may soon lose it altogether, and I guarantee you, space will do us no good, then.

I've always had an interest in science. However, I've learned from personal experience, (which is a form of science, in itself - making logical deductions based on careful obervations) I've realized Man will ALWAYS use for great evil, whatever technology he is given, whenever the opportunity arises.

So it seems to me, some things are best left alone. Man's abilities need to be limited, due to his rather predictable nature.

The average personal use of resources does not compare with the amount of pollution generated by industry & rampant warmongering, with one exception - our use of gas vehicles!

And I've never said we shouldn't seek knowledge, it's only how we use it, that I believe should be limited. If what we do, is going to be used to harm others, or if it harms the planet we all depend upon for our lives, then I think it should not be allowed, regardless of what the potential 'benefits' might be. There are some things which should simply not be compromised, under any circumstances. I don't think that's at all unreasonable, nor is it un-Islamic, to respect and preserve the lives and rights of others, as well the planet Allah gave us.

I think I made my general criteria for limiting technology very clear - any technology which is used to harm others, or which is harmful to the environment we depend on for our survival, should be banned.

I see nothing excessive or unreasonable about such limitations.

You seem to be advocating the idea that 'the ends justifies the means'. 'Destruction and murder is 'ok', as long as there are some ultimate benefits to be derived from it.

I disagree.

We have NO right to destroy and murder, no matter what 'benefits' (to some) which we think might result from it.

(I would say the only exception to that rule, is when we are acting in self defence.)

You say that it all balances out in the end. Well, I'm sorry to have to enlighten you to the fact that the earth and all it's inhabitants are currently in a state of gross imbalance, and if the scales of balance continue to tip in the direction they are now, we will not much longer have a planet which can sustain life. What good will any of our 'technological advances' do us, when we are all dead? So I'd say things are a long way from 'balancing out'.

warda11 wrote: i heard the story of the american flag inside the moon was fake

How very interesting.  Please provide us with further details.

(Am I the only one getting annoying pop-ups, which also shut down the page, when I log into IOL??)

I would have to agree, we have too many unaddressed problems on the ground, to be worrying about what is in space... And while I'm sure some would then argue that going to space could somehow improve things for people on the ground, yet it's clear that whenever man grants himself some new technology or new scientific knowledge, he always finds some way to use it for destruction and evil. Mankind has misused so much of the knowledge he has, why should he be allowed to expand it any more?

When responsible parents are raising children, they dole out new freedoms and privileges to their children, only as their children show they are responsible enough to handle their new freedoms. They don't put a 5 year old behind the wheel of a car. They don't hand a gun to a 2 year old. I think probably we need to institute something similar to this, when it comes to mankind's use of science and technology. Technologies which are routinely destructive to the environment, and hurtful to others, should simply be banned, until they can show that they can create rocket ships which don't pollute, and require massive amounts of limited resources to construct, until they can prove that all such technologies will only be used to benefit mankind, and not to create more WMD's, or to place a larger threat of violence or oppression on others, and then, and only then, should they be allowed to explore these types of technologies...

Still having those pop-ups ha?

I don't know if it's IOL or not...  I'm not going to exclude the possibility that this bank where i'm at is blocking all that stuff.  They're blocking half the internet anyway...

I'm intrigued to be honest (blame my helpdesk mentality).

Do me a favor if you want...

Take a screenshot of those pop-ups, save them as *.JPEG through MS Paint or similar, go to www.photobucket.com, create an account, upload those screenshots and PM me the URL so that I can take a look at them.

If you'ld just trust me for half an inch, I just might be able to help you out.

Me again...it's you again!

Sorry I haven't gotten around to replying to your latest PM...(or PM's, haven't even checked my messages, in awhile) As intriguing as they are, with your apparent sudden desire for a 'truce' between us, and all... (wish I could really believe this 'transformation' is sincere) In fact, the last one I read, it almost sounded like you were asking me out to dinner, or something! (never gonna happen, sorry)

How the heck do I 'take a screenshot'? (I might be able to figure out how to put it in JPG format, and transfer to the Paint program, if I can just get the screenshot part figured out...are we talking about Edit, Select All, and Copy, or something else?)

Perhaps I'll consider your offer to help, though I'm really half-convinced it's you who's engineered these annoying things! Did I mention they also usually shut the IOL page down, after they pop up? Kind of an unusual behavior, for a pop-up ad. I just don't think these are the normal 'pop-ups'. (Interestingly, they offer to fix problems with my computer! Just like you! Weird coincidence?)

Are you telling me no one else is getting these??

Lolz

Paranoid as ever, that's our Sahara. :)

I suggesting using photobucket since you can do that completely anonymously.  You may send the pics to me through email as well, but I kinda figured that you wouldn't want to have any "direct contact" with a kuffar :)

Seems like Breathe has helped you out allready.

Oh, I've got to send it to you, via email? (now I see what the 'trap' is! Unless, of course, you inserted some kind of virus into the pop-up, which gets transferred to my computer, when I take the screenshot, and save it into Paint?)

The darn thing is still popping up. It really shouldn't be, considering my browser is supposed to have all pop-ups blocked...

If you're hoping my email address will eventually lead you to my physical address, so you can get a look at me, to see if I'm worth talking to, I'll save you the trouble, Me Again...I'm nothing to look at, so give up on that idea. (I think that might also be the reason the gov't is declining to popularize me as a 'terrorist' - I just don't photograph that well! Ever noticed how all the 'terrorists' are 'good looking'??) If you're trying to find out where I live, so you can blow me up or something, all I can say to that is - take a number, there's a long line ahead of you.... ;)

(which might explain why I'm hoping to move to a well fortified castle, someday...that, and just the fact that I'd like to be left alone!)

Just do be aware, that anyone caught sneaking around on the property, does kind of forfeit their right to life! (at my discretion, of course) And watch out for the raccoons, I hear they bite! (I'm not quite sure how many actually live here, but there's a few. They keep the rats and the possums company...)

And I pretty much chop off your hand, and ask questions later, if I catch you trying to climb in a window...so don't try that one, either. (if you value your 2 hands, anyway)

Sahara2 I have not written on this thread but the guy is genuinely trying to help you you, while people on here are always going to disagree, we are not all CIA agents intent on your demise. Have some faith and allow someone to help.

Cheers

Grant 

The pop-ups seem to have disappeared, the last couple of days....

I do have pretty good ad blocker software already. Although if anyone knows of any other good ones, I'm happy to hear your recommendations.

As for granting my undying trust to Me Again....well, I just don't think so. Not any time soon.

(perhaps, if he made me a good enough offer, he could 'buy' my trust? It would have to be pretty good, though! A house, or a new car, registered in my name, might do it!)

You are a very arrogant (and rather greedy) person Sahara.

You know what?  I think I had just about enough of your enemy mentality.
I've done my part, I tried to talk to you as a normal person.

I have never done anything at all for you to have such ridiculous ideas about me.  The ball is in your court woman.

Just drop the whole "the world is out to get me" act and "MeAgain is hacking my pc" (while no more then 2 weeks ago you didn't even believe that I actually knew about pc's).  Until then, I'm done.

Even my patience has limits.

FYI: you should think about how you said that people can "buy" your trust.  You should also think about how you consistantly ask everybody for money.  Even if you just say it for laughs, you do say it quite a lot.

Poor Me Again - probably just feeling jilted, because I said I wouldn't go out to dinner with you... (uh oh, did I violate your 'cardinal rule', to not discuss publicly, what you have confided to me, privately?? In my defense, I never agreed to abide by your little 'rule'....)

I'm afraid you'll just have to excuse me, if I'm a bit skeptical, when my former 'forum arch enemy' suddenly decides he wants to be 'friends', out of the blue....for no apparent reason.

(in my book, that's called choosing not to be a gullible fool!)

Let me explain my attitude concerning 'money'...

If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that people who don't "put their money where their mouth is", so to speak, are not sincere, 9 times out of 10.

Secondly, while I'm not the one who made the rules, in this regards, I am living in a society which does decide a person's 'value', according to how much money they're worth. Since I live here, I have no choice, except to abide by the rules. Hence, I must strive for money, in order to prove my 'value' as a human being, just like everyone else....like it, or not...(the alternative is to be denied the right to live, so no, I really do not have a choice in this matter)

Do not preach to me about money, when you are one of those who supports the materialistic values of such a society!

You have always been more than happy to put me down for being poor, being a welfare mother, being out of work, etc... Ok, fair enough, I'll play by the same rules - if you can't come up with the money, to prove to me you are a 'person of value', why should I even consider you?

I'm just playin by your rules, honey.

I could relate this to my current situation with my mother also. Because in her situation, I actually equate money with sincere repentance!

Aka - while she's been making some death-bed confessions to a few people, now finally admitting to the sexual abuses I was subjected to, while in her care, (something she's been denying, and covering up, for decades) and she's been confessing, (to them, not me), how 'sorry' she supposedly is, about it all, yet she still apparently does not comprehend that offences like this, need to be compensated for! She's still continuing to sit on her money, like the proverbial 'goose that laid the golden egg', handing it out auspiciously, only to those who are willing to 'play for her team'....and still refuses to in any way compensate me, (monetarily) for all the damages she and her family did to my life... (That doesn't sound very much like 'sorry', to me....)

So, in my estimation, the fact that she isn't "putting her money where her mouth is", proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she is still not the least bit 'sorry', for any of the damages she and her family inflicted on me...despite the 'lip service' she's been giving to the cause, lately.... If she were really sorry, she would be trying to make up for the damages, not continuing to sit on her money, trying to use it to maintain an advantage over me, or as an excuse to walk around with her nose up in the air, acting like she's 'better' than me....which continues to remain her basic attitude, as long as that money is sitting in her bank account, and not mine.

So in my defense, it remains my assertion that sometimes a person's use of money, is actually the one sure way to determine the character of that person..

As another example, would I (or any other thinking woman) accept a proposal of marriage, from some man who was in no way able to support me and any resulting children? While money may not be the total measure of a man, it is also perhaps true, that a man has no business proposing to a woman, until he has some!

Like every other woman, I've had men make all kinds of 'promises' to me, over the years, most of which, were never kept. As a result, I spent about 20 years of my life, raising 4 children alone, without any help or support from their fathers. So excuse me, if I now feel inclined to insist that any man making overtures to me, back up those 'overtures', with some cold, hard cash! I used to be more idealistic, but I've learned my lesson, the hard way...

As for you, Me Again, you've committed quite a number of 'verbal offences' against me, and according to you, you're really rolling in the dough, these days, (without really having to work for any of it) so if you really are a friend, why wouldn't you want to help me out? Hmmm?

Seems to me, that is the kind of thing friends do.

But of course, I never believed for a minute, that is something you would be inclined to do, and the statement was totally made, in jest.

As for you not approving of the things I have to say - all I can say to that is - what's new??

Looks like we're back to business-as-usual...

(I was finding the 'friendship routine' to be kind of boring, anyway...)

OK its about time you dumped that do-gooder. I was getting a bit jealous.

I think the pop-ups are due to some kind of spyware you have on your system. I can show you where to download a free copy of Adaware. It removes sypare programs.

Of course there is a price for my help. You have to agree to a clandestine meeting at Red Lobster. I will spring for the Admiral's Feast but you'll have to earn desert.

BB

I wonder...is BOB posing as Me Again too?

I have Adaware already...

Whatever it is, it's found a way around that. And I'm fairly sure whatever it is, started here...

And I think is starting to cause other problems now too. (getting lots of messages saying 'my system is low on memory', which I know it isn't, but this happened before, when something infected my system)

Not even for lobster, BOB-O...

(Can you imagine yourself sitting at a dinner table, with some all-in-black, niqab-clad woman??)

Anyhoo, I' ve been to the Red Lobster here, and it kind of sucks. (about the only thing I liked, was the cheddar biscuits) Can't expect 'quality', when you rely on a bunch of Navy crank heads, for your employee base, I guess...

I also hear people get sick, every time they eat at 'The Olive Garden' next door. These Navy bums are always carrying around some kind of disease...

I like the Dollar Chinese Food, better...

I am really sorry you feel I am trying to deceive you, I find it rather sad. I have sent you a PM please be respectful and I assure you there is nothing sinister about it. 

Grant 

As for your PC, I suspect you have a multitude of nefarious process going on, eating up your system ram, there are ways to resolve these issues, however my advice is to try and find someone you can trust(yes I know its hard) who knows their way round a PC and can help you resolve them. I am certain it is nothing more than needing a good clear out, although you could have picked up a virus, it happens to us all unfortunately.  Funny thing is I have picked up more crap looking at links on this site than any other, lucky I am able to resolve most on my own or with a little help via the huge resource base on the net.

1. http://www.uwsp.edu/it/resnet/UsefulTasks/AdAware/AdawareUpdate.htm

2. viruses/spyware/background procesess eat up memory

3. pointing fingers in random directions trying to blame people for the crap on your pc ain't gonna stop that crap.  Stop going to dubious websites will.

I have to agree. The bisquits are the best at red lobster. I think the Olive Garden is next door wherever you go. There must be a tunnel connecting them and Olive Garden recycles Red Lobster's left overs.

Have you ever run these from the start menu? You should do it periodicly

Start Menu / Program files / Accessories / System Tools / Disk cleanup

Start Menu / Program files / Accessories / System Tools / Disk defragmentor

You think in a dolloar chinese food store, they are going to take the time to fry the pork in a different wok?

Salaams

BB

Okay, I have been having similar problems as Sahara, and it is ONLY when I visit IOL...but not ALL the time.  The screen goes blank then I get a warning message from microsoft...except I know it is not from microsoft because of the way it is worded.  When I "X" out of the warning, a new page opens trying to get me to down load a drive cleaner.  In order to turn it off I have to "X" out of everything I am doing.  I use both Ad Aware and Spybot, and neither will finf or fix the problem.  So I usually have to go to Trend Micro's Housecalls which will always find it and remove it (at least I THINK they remove it because when I run Housecalls a second time, the problem is not there).  They called it "greyware" and said it was ADW_WINFIXER.AM Drive Cleaner 2006.  I have changed my Firewall to Agnitum Outpost, I always have my pop-up blocker on and I keep my AVG virus protection up to date and I STILL have this thing popping in on me.

Any help in keeping this off my computer would be appreciated.  It ONLY comes up when I visit IOL so I am assuming that there is something on this web site causing the problem!

Rosa

I get that annoying drive cleaner pop up a lot too! I have it at home and at work,

I'll let you know if I figure out how to stop it.

BB

Someone has clearly attached a malicious program to this discussion forum. It has about reached it's worst now, I think, on my computer. Working now on downloading some new adware removers etc, as it's become quite necessary, I'm afraid, to locate and get rid of this problem, as it is now causing an error message to come up on my screen, every 10 seconds or so, saying 'my system is low on virtual memory'. (whether I'm on IOL or not) It is slowing down all my systems, and becoming quite an annoying problem. I know this suggestion that my system is low on memory, is bull, because my system has lots of memory space left on it, and this is the same message I used to get, when I had another very malicious bug, awhile back. (which actually ended up killing my other computer)

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to come back to IOL anymore, unless and until IOL gets rid of this malicious programming, which is clearly being attached to their site, by someone or something...  I'll assume it's all originating from that "Drive Cleaner" pop-up. (which is clearly circumventing the ad blockers that most people have, including mine, which usually works very well)

If anyone else is having this problem, I highly recommend you do whatever you have to, to get it under control, as it may even be some kind of very damaging Trojan worm, infecting your computer...

I'll assume this is happening as a result of someone trying to silence certain people on this forum, or just to 'punish' people, generally, for visiting the site. Either way, it's a problem IOL should be taking responsibility for, and addressing. This is clearly a problem I am ONLY having, when I come to their site, so I am very convinced this is a site-specific problem.

So until it gets fixed, I guess this is farewell... Looks like the hackers who want to shut me up, have won, for now...

Maybe you need to do some housecleaning (The computer that is).

In windows explorer right click on your c drive and look at the properties.

How much space is available?

BB 

After going through the discussion of the spyware and adware which were annoying you a lot, and as you feel like it comes from IOL, it will be greatly appreciated if you can provide an insight into this. Please answer the following questions

1. Whether the popup comes only when you access Islamonline.net (www.islamonline.net)

2. Are you sure of the fact that this issue happens only when you open www.islamonline.net or when you click any of the links in the site.

3. Do you have any anti spyware or adware programs, if so, in case it shows any logs is it possible to share that.

4. Whether you can reproduce the same and provide us with the screen shot, i think you already have the screen shot of this.

Regards

Thanzeer

Hi Thanzeerh,

1.  The pop-ups have ONLY happened when I visit IOL, and it is usually when I try to reply to someone else.  But it doesn't come up all the time...perhaps twice a week.

2.  It is when I attempt to reply to someone.

3.  My anti-spy and adware runs only when I run them,  Spybot and Adaware.  But these two programs do not detect any problem.  When I run Trend Micro's Housecall, I find I have grayware/spyware.  Here are the ones they have detected.  FREELOADER_WINFIXER,  ADWARE_BESTOFFERS, and FREELOADER_DRIVECLEANER.

4.  I do not have a screen shot.  Perhaps someone else can provide this.

Rosa

It will be appreciated if you can provide the screen shot and the steps you took which caused the popup to come in detail.

Whether it happens only when you try to reply in discussion forum

-Thanks

Thanzeer

I really don't get it.

I run an XP machine with SP2.  Currently, I have NO anit-spyware or anti-virus software installed, since I use my pc for a home recording studio and I need every byte of memory available, so I don't have a sinlge program installed that I don't really NEED wich runs all the time.

The only pop-ups I ever got on here were polls from IOL and that's about it.

I know about the drive cleaner pop-up, but I find it weird that you only get that on IOL.  Usually that popup is an infection of your internet browser and it should trigger on any site at random, although there are variations of it.

I'ld recommend getting the latest security updates and service pack 2.

As another example, would I (or any other thinking woman) accept a proposal of marriage, from some man who was in no way able to support me and any resulting children? While money may not be the total measure of a man, it is also perhaps true, that a man has no business proposing to a woman, until he has some!

You still maintain some quite old fashioned values when it comes to men don't you, as i said money does not buy friendship or trust, well not in my book anyway. I could could argue the exact opposite,

I met and fell in love with a woman who had just come out of a violent relationship fueled by booze, she was massively in debt, did not own a bean. I took her and both her kids in, put a house over their heads, paid off her debts and funded every thing myself, just two years after my son was born, she suddenly told me she did not love me and never had!!!!!!!!!! I later found out she was sha--ing behind my back!!!!!

To be honest i  look back in reflection and wish I had listened to my close friends, however I have a wonderful son and two great step girls and that is worth every penny.

So you can rest assured anyone I marry now will be self sufficient and on equal terms financially

Sshhht

That's what they say in Belgium to people who are talking for hours, but actually say nothing.

As for granting my undying trust to Me Again.

I don't believe I suggested that to you, i was just trying to point out that IMHO Meagain was genuinely trying to help. You really are your worst enemy sometimes.

As for buying trust and friendship, not something I would consider i prefer to have friends that I know I can count on in times of need and that of course is reciprocal. I have lots of acquittance's but only a select few who i regard as my most trusted.

You seems to have been through the mill over the years and have become very bitter and twisted, it is such a shame as life has so much to offer. Yes it has its ups and down, I could tell you some horror stories of my own, one thing I have learned in my 44 years of life, there is always someone worse off than you.

Take care.

Grant 

Nope I'm sure I am gpa, well I was last time I looked in the mirror and I live in the UK not Antwerp.