Muslims are living a myth!   They think that at a given point there will appear One man that will save them all out of the misery they are in !!

Many Muslims now think that lying down in caffe-shops Or even working to satisfy their day-to-day needs is the best thing they can do until the "man" comes!

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WAKE UP U Muslims!!    What more precious u have than you dignity and Religious beliefs !!

A lost tie?? How can you have a lost tie to a place you only started claiming
since the Palestinians were looking for an excuse to exist?

The Koran doesn't even mention Jerusalem. NOT ONCE.

The "furtherest mosque" all the Muslims have been taught was Al-Aqsa is really the Kaaba.

No magic pony needed to travel there, and it makes more sense than a mosque that never existed in Mohammeds time.

The "furtherest mosque" all the Muslims have been taught was Al-Aqsa is really the Kaaba.

Quran, 17: 1

Glory be to he Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).

Since the Sacred Mosque is the Kaaba, then the farthest mosque couldn't be the Kaaba!

What about Jerusalem's role in Islam? Its significance pales next to Mecca and Medina, the twin cities where Muhammad lived and which hosted the great events of Islamic history. Jerusalem is not the place to which Muslims pray, it is not once mentioned by name in the Qur'an or in prayers, and it is directly connected to no events in Muhammad's life. The city never became a cultural center and it never served as capital of a sovereign Muslim state. Jerusalem has mattered to Muslims only intermittently over the past 13 centuries, and when it has mattered, as it does today, it has done so because of politics. Conversely, when the utility of Jerusalem expires, the passions abate and its status declines.

In A.D. 622, the Prophet Muhammad fled his home town of Mecca for Medina, a city with a substantial Jewish population. On arrival, if not earlier, he adopted a number of practices friendly to Jews, such as a Yom Kippur-like fast, a synagogue-like house of prayer, and kosher-style dietary laws. Muhammad also adopted the Judaic practice of facing the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during prayer; "He chose the Holy House in Jerusalem in order that the People of the Book [i.e., Jews] would be conciliated," notes At-Tabari, an early Muslim commentator on the Qur'an, "and the Jews were glad." Modern historians agree: W. Montgomery Watt, a leading biographer of Muhammad, interprets the prophet's "far-reaching concessions to Jewish feeling" as part of his "desire for a reconciliation with the Jews."

But Jews criticized the new faith and rejected Muhammad's gestures, leading Muhammad to eventually break with them, probably in early 624. The most dramatic sign of this change came in a Qur'anic passage (2:142-52) ordering the faithful no longer to pray toward Syria but toward Mecca instead. (The Qur'an and other sources only mention the direction as "Syria"; other information makes it clear that "Syria" means Jerusalem.)

This episode initiated a pattern that would be repeated many times over the succeeding centuries: Muslims take religious interest in Jerusalem because it serves them politically and when the political climate changes, their interest flags.

In the century after Muhammad's death, politics prompted the Damascus-based Umayyad dynasty, which controlled Jerusalem, to make this city sacred in Islam. Embroiled in fierce competition with a dissident leader in Mecca, the Umayyad rulers sought to diminish Arabia at Jerusalem's expense. They sponsored a genre of literature praising the "virtues of Jerusalem" and circulated accounts of the prophet's sayings or doings (called hadiths) favorable to Jerusalem. In 688-91, they built Islam's first grand structure, the Dome of the Rock, on top of the remains of the Jewish Temple.

In a particularly subtle and complex step, they even reinterpreted the Qur'an to make room for Jerusalem. The Qur'an, describing Muhammad's Night Journey (isra'), reads: "[God] takes His servant [i.e., Muhammad] by night from the Sacred Mosque to the furthest mosque." When this Qur'anic passage was first revealed, in about 621, a place called the Sacred Mosque already existed in Mecca. In contrast, the "furthest mosque" was a turn of phrase, not a place. Some early Muslims understood it as metaphorical or as a place in heaven. And if the "furthest mosque" did exist on earth, Palestine would have seemed an unlikely location, for that region elsewhere in the Qur'an (30:1) was called "the closest land" (adna al-ard).

But in 715, the Umayyads built a mosque in Jerusalem, again right on the Temple Mount, and called it the Furthest Mosque (al-masjid al-aqsa, or Al-Aqsa Mosque). With this, the Umayyads not only post hoc inserted Jerusalem into the Qur'an but retroactively gave it a prominent role in Muhammad's life. For if the "furthest mosque" is in Jerusalem, then Muhammad's Night Journey and his subsequent ascension to heaven (mi`raj) also took place on the Temple Mount.

But, as ever, Jerusalem mattered theologically only when it mattered politically, and when the Umayyad dynasty collapsed in 750, Jerusalem fell into near-obscurity. For the next three and a half centuries, books praising the city lost favor and the construction of glorious buildings not only stopped, but existing ones fell apart (the Dome over the rock collapsed in 1016). "Learned men are few, and the Christians numerous," bemoaned a tenth-century Muslim native of Jerusalem. The rulers of the new dynasty bled Jerusalem and its region country through what F. E. Peters of New York University calls "their rapacity and their careless indifference."

By the early tenth century, notes Peters, Muslim rule over Jerusalem had an "almost casual" quality with "no particular political significance." In keeping with this near-indifference, the Crusader conquest of the city in 1099 initially aroused a mild Muslim response: "one does not detect either shock or a sense of religious loss and humiliation," notes Emmanuel Sivan of the Hebrew University, a scholar of this era.

Only as the effort to retake Jerusalem grew serious in about 1150 did Muslim leaders stress Jerusalem's importance to Islam. Once again, hadiths about Jerusalem's sanctity and books about the "virtues of Jerusalem" appeared. One hadith put words into the Prophet Muhammad's mouth saying that, after his own death, Jerusalem's falling to the infidels is the second greatest catastrophe facing Islam.

Once safely back in Muslim hands after Saladin's reconquest, however, interest in Jerusalem dropped, to the point where one of Saladin's grandsons temporarily ceded the city in 1229 to Emperor Friedrich II in return for the German's promise of military aid against his brother, a rival king. But learning that Jerusalem was back in Christian hands again provoked intense Muslim emotions; as a result, in 1244, the city was again under Muslim rule. The psychology at work here bears note: that Christian knights traveled from distant lands to make Jerusalem their capital made the city more valuable in Muslim eyes too. "It was a city strongly coveted by the enemies of the faith, and thus became, in a sort of mirror-image syndrome, dear to Muslim hearts," Sivan explains.

The city then lapsed back to its usual obscurity for nearly eight centuries. At one point, the city's entire population amounted to a miserable four thousand souls. The Temple Mount sanctuaries were abandoned and became dilapidated. Under Ottoman rule (1516-1917), Jerusalem suffered the indignity of being treated as a tax farm for non-resident, one-year (and so very rapacious) officials. The Turkish authorities raised funds by gouging European visitors, and so made little effort to promote Jerusalem's economy. The tax rolls show soap as the city's only export item. In 1611, George Sandys found that "Much lies waste; the old buildings (except a few) all ruined, the new contemptible." Gustav Flaubert of Madame Bovary fame visited in 1850 and found "Ruins everywhere." Mark Twain in 1867 wrote that Jerusalem "has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a pauper village."

In modern times, notes the Israeli scholar Hava Lazarus-Yafeh, Jerusalem "became the focus of religious and political Arab activity only at the beginning of the present century, and only because of the renewed Jewish activity in the city and Judaism's claims on the Western Wailing Wall." British rule over city, lasting from 1917 to 1948, further galvanized Muslim passion for Jerusalem. The Palestinian leader (and mufti of Jerusalem) Hajj Amin al-Husayni made the Temple Mount central to his anti-Zionist efforts, for example raising funds throughout the Arab world for the restoration of the Dome of the Rock. Arab politicians made Jerusalem a prominent destination; for example, Iraqi leaders frequently turned up, where they demonstrably prayed at Al-Aqsa and gave rousing speeches.

But when Muslims retook the Old City with its Islamic sanctuaries in 1948, they quickly lost interest in it. An initial excitement stirred when the Jordanian forces took the walled city in 1948_as evidenced by the Coptic bishop's crowning King `Abdallah as "King of Jerusalem" in November of that year_but then the usual ennui set in. The Hashemites had little affection for Jerusalem, where some of their most devoted enemies lived and where `Abdallah himself was shot dead in 1951. In fact, the Hashemites made a concerted effort to diminish the holy city's importance in favor of their capital, Amman. Jerusalem had served as the British administrative capital, but now all government offices there (save tourism) were shut down. The Jordanians also closed some local institutions (e.g., the Arab Higher Committee) and moved others to Amman (the treasury of the Palestinian waqf, or religious endowment).

Their effort succeeded. Once again, Arab Jerusalem became an isolated provincial town, now even less important than Nablus. The economy stagnated and many thousands left Arab Jerusalem. While the population of Amman increased five-fold in the period 1948-67, Jerusalem's grew just 50 percent. Amman was chosen as the site of the country's first university as well as of the royal family's many residences. Perhaps most insulting of all, Jordanian radio broadcast the Friday prayers not from Al-Aqsa Mosque but from a mosque in Amman.

Nor was Jordan alone in ignoring Jerusalem; the city virtually disappeared from the Arab diplomatic map. No foreign Arab leader came to Jerusalem between 1948 and 1967, and even King Husayn visited only rarely.

King Faysal of Saudi Arabia often spoke after 1967 of yearning to pray in Jerusalem, yet he appears never to have bothered to pray there when he had the chance. Perhaps most remarkable is that the PLO's founding document, the Palestinian National Covenant of 1964, does not even once mention Jerusalem.

Its significance pales next to Mecca and Medina, the twin cities where Muhammad lived and which hosted the great events of Islamic history. Jerusalem is not the place to which Muslims pray, it is not once mentioned by name in the Qur'an or in prayers

So? Mecca and Medina isn't mentioned by name in the Quran and we don't mention it in our prayers either.

most dramatic sign of this change came in a Qur'anic passage (2:142-52) ordering the faithful no longer to pray toward Syria but toward Mecca instead. (The Qur'an and other sources only mention the direction as "Syria"; other information makes it clear that "Syria" means Jerusalem.)

Strange! Syria, Jerusalem, al-Aqsa mosque isn't even mention in 2:142-152.

they even reinterpreted the Qur'an to make room for Jerusalem

Thats' a lie!

In contrast, the "furthest mosque" was a turn of phrase, not a place. Some early Muslims understood it as metaphorical or as a place in heaven.

Actually, the Night Journey is called Israk, hence the title of the Surah. The Ascension to Heaven (as you have said) is called Mi'raj. These are 2 seperates event. And there are Hadiths to refute your claims.

The description of the Furthest Mosque is based on event in the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), commonly known as the Mi'raaj (although the first stage of that journey is the Israa)

When the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) undertook this joruney he was based in Makkah (Mecca) and had not yet migrated to Madinah (and so had not yet erected a Mosque there).

He travelled to Jerusalem - the birthplace of many of the Prophets (peace be upon them all) of Islam.

The Prophet Muhammad further tuaght us that it is important to travel to three mosques i.e.. Makkah, Madinah and Jerusalem.

Further, Jerusalem is actually mentioned in two places - and to merely argue against it without evidence is of no use. The first place mentioned is the "furthest mosque" and the second reference is to the "qiblah" i.e. the direction facing when praying (performing salat).

The reason for the change of direction is simple in that the Ka'abah  (at Mecca) is the first place of worship built by Abraham and Ismael (peace be upon them).

So, yes it is imperative to protect Aqsa. Yes it is imperative to have access to Jerusalem.

FORTLINE:    you said, "And if the "furthest mosque" did exist on earth, Palestine would have seemed an unlikely location, for that region elsewhere in the Qur'an (30:1) was called "the closest land" (adna al-ard)."

Excuse me, you have to revisit the quran in its arabic language to understand what "adna al-ard" means .. it seems that you can't understand arabic in the first place .. Adna al-ard is the lowest place on earth and not the "closest land"!  & it was later scientificaly proven to be the lowest of lands on earth !

Which brings your whole argument down!!

When Mohamed and his faithful followers moved from Mecca to Medina, they found themselves among three Jewish and two Arab, pagan tribes living in this area.
Mohammed, who desparetely needed to have more followers, decided to win those tribes over and convert them to his new religion.
At this stage Islam was not fully developed, as we know it today, and Mohammed was still having his sessions with Allah (the Medina period revelations).
To attract the Jews and to convince them that Islam was good for them and he was a true prophet, Mohammad ordered his companions to pray while facing the same direction as the Jews.
Mohammad and his companions continued to pray that for 19 months offering the “quibla” (direction of prayers) toward Jerusalem but the  recalcitrant Jews rejected Mohammad’s invitation to become his followers.
Mohammad became furious and immediately changed the direction of prayers back to Mecca.
At this stage Mohammad forgot all about the Jewish holy place and neither its description nor its name are mentioned in the whole Qur’an even once.
Mohamed concentrated now on killing and driving out all infidels from the peninsula.
There were no more attempts (no revelations) to incorporate Judaism and Christianity into Islam.

[9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. Fight against Christians and Jews “until they pay the tribute (the Dhimmi) readily, being brought low.”

[9:30] And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

[9:31] They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

The “Jerusalem issue” was born some 50 years after the prophet’s death in 682 when Abd Allah ibn al Zubayr rebelled against the second Umayyad caliph, Yazid B. Muawiya and after taking Mecca prevented pilgrims from fulfilling the Hajj.

Yazid’s successor  Calif Abd al Malik needed an alternative place for the pilgrimage and decided upon Jerusalem which by then was under his control.

To convince the pilgrims that the new place was as good as Mecca Abd al-Malik used some creative “theology” and “re-discovered” that the prophet traveled to some place called the Remote Mosque, during his extravagant night-voyage into heaven in A.D. 619.

This was mentioned in the Qur’an:

[17.1] Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the Remote Mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

 The Remote or Furtherest Mosque was “rediscovered” as the sacred Temple in Jerusalem. There was only one problem, Muhammad could not see any great temple in Jerusalem during his mystic journey with Angel Gabriel because the last Jewish temple (so called second temple build by Herod was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Roman Emperor Titus.

To accommodate the new Caliph’s invention a new Temple which became the Dome of Rock ( Qubbat al-Sakhra ) nd later the Remote Mosque ( al-Aksa Mosque ) was conveniently built.

El Malik did not succeed though in convincing the faithful and did not become another Mohammed and so the Muslims continued to direct their “quibla” toward Mecca and the pagan Kaba’a .

In fact all the contemporary Arabs knew that the Remote Mosque (al-Aksa) had always been near Mecca on Arabian Peninsula.

This is stated in Kitab al-Maghazi’s by a historian and geographer al Waqidi (d.822 A.D.) According to him there were two places of prayer in al-Gi’ranah, a village between Mecca and Ta’if, one was “the closer mosque” (al-masjid al-adana) and the other was “the remote mosque” (al-masjid al-aqsa).

And so the “holiness of Jerusalem” was abandoned for many years until Saladin (1138–1193) found the revival of al-masjid al-aqsa myth useful to inspire fighting spirit among the Muslims against the crusaders.

After the crusaders were driven away, for over seven hundred years Jerusalem remained still a predominately Christian city and the “Muslim “Holy Temples” collected cobwebs and never attracted many followers of Allah.

The final chapter however of the saga was created by the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini who revived the myth of Jerusalem as the third holiest Muslim City.

He understood very well that he could not control the local Arabs by preaching simple nationalism as this idea was really alien to Islam.

And so as soon as Herbert Samuel appointed him to the position of Mufti, Husseini started his propaganda to raise Jerusalem’s status as an Islamic holy city.

His pupil Arafat continued this Holy Farse

And the poor brainwashed Muslims will always do what they are told by their imams.

"Mohammad became furious and immediately changed the direction of prayers back to Mecca."

The Prophet(PBUH) didn't change the direction of prayers back to Mecca out of being furious, but by Allah's order revealed in the Quran.(2:144). See also the translation of the meaning of the verse(17:1).

From the authentic hadiths of the Prophet(PBUH),

“ Do not prepare yourself for a journey except to three Mosques, i.e. Al-Masjid-AI-Haram, the Mosque of Aqsa (Jerusalem) and my Mosque .”

There is another authentic hadith that tells that there will be a community of the Islamic Ummah will be still embracing the truth till the resurrection, non-harmed by who traverse them. When the  Prophet's Companions asked him about this community place, he said,"In Jerusalem and its flanks."

So, Jerusalem is Islamiic, and Al-Aqsa is Islamic, and follows Al-Masjid Al-Haram (in Mecca) and the Prophetic Mosque (in Medina) in holiness. This is a part of our Islamic belief.

When Mohamed and his faithful followers moved from Mecca to Medina, they found themselves among three Jewish and two Arab, pagan tribes living in this area.
Mohammed, who desparetely needed to have more followers, decided to win those tribes over and convert them to his new religion.
At this stage Islam was not fully developed, as we know it today, and Mohammed was still having his sessions with Allah (the Medina period revelations).
To attract the Jews and to convince them that Islam was good for them and he was a true prophet, Mohammad ordered his companions to pray while facing the same direction as the Jews.
Mohammad and his companions continued to pray that for 19 months offering the “quibla” (direction of prayers) toward Jerusalem but the  recalcitrant Jews rejected Mohammad’s invitation to become his followers.
Mohammad became furious and immediately changed the direction of prayers back to Mecca.
At this stage Mohammad forgot all about the Jewish holy place and neither its description nor its name are mentioned in the whole Qur’an even once.
Mohamed concentrated now on killing and driving out all infidels from the peninsula.

Allow me to summarise the entire thing for you : RUBBISH!

The 3 verse are taken out of context, if you wish me to explain them I will but i got the feeling you're not interested in the real meaning because it's worthless because it's not in line with your idea of Islam.

HMI,

If you're sitting in Medina, and the Kaabah is in Mecca.... yep, I'd say its the fartherest mosque.

If you're sitting in Medina, and the Kaabah is in Mecca.... yep, I'd say its the fartherest mosque.

Have you seen a map of the earth? You should check it out, I think there's more to this world than Mecca and Medina.

And by the way, the Prophet was already in Mecca when he undertook the night journey to Jerusalem.

Mohammed, El Burak, and the Temple Mount

Since it is an historical fact that Mohammed never came to Jerusalem why is the Temple Mount considered holy to Muslims?

One passage from the Qur'an does link Mohammed with Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. It is the seventeenth Sura, entitled "The Night Journey." In this Sura there is a dream or vision by Mohammed in which he is carried by night:

...from the sacred temple to the temple that is more remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him of our signs.

Islamic tradition identifies the first temple as Mecca and the second as Jerusalem. Mohammed's journey was with the Archangel Gabriel. Muslim belief says they rode together on a winged steed called El Burak ("lightning"). El Burak is not mentioned in the Koran, its first mention is two centuries after Mohammed's death in a document called Hadith, a collection of oral traditions.

After they arrived at the Temple Mount, Mohammed and horse ascended through the seven heavens into Allah's presence. Various spots on the Mount were later indicated as the place where El Burak was tied up before the ascent into the presence of Allah.

A later account of the night journey states:

The prophet of God said: 'While I was sleeping within the wall of the Kaaba, came to see me Gabriel and kicked me with his foot, so I sat up, but not seeing anything, I lay again on my bed. He kicked me then once more, and I sat up and did not see a thing, so I lay back on my bed. He then kicked me a third time and I sat up, whereupon he pulled me by the arm and I rose, and went to the door of the temple. There was standing a white beast, between a mule and an *** in size, with two wings on its thighs, digging its hind legs in and placing its forelegs as far as it can see. Gabriel carried me on the beast, and we went together at the same speed.' So the Prophet of God journeyed, and with him also Gabriel, until they reached the temple in Jerusalem. He found there Abraham, Moses and Jesus, among other prophets, and he led them in prayers. Then he was given two vessels, one filled with wine and the other with milk, so the prophet of God took the vessel with milk and drank it, leaving the vessel of wine. Seeing that, Gabriel said to him: 'You were guided to the true religion [Islam] and so was your nation, for wine is forbidden unto you.

El Aksa Mosque

El Aksa is mentioned in the Koran in a vision of Mohammed's Ascension. It means the "distant place." This refers to its geographical location far from Mecca. El Aksa is regularly referred to as Islam's third holiest shrine after Mecca and Medina. The present mosque is believed to stand over the area where Solomon built his magnificent palace south of the Temple.

The El Aksa Mosque was built between A.D. 709-715 probably by Caliph Waleed, son of Abd el-Malik, the man who constructed the Dome of the Rock. Throughout the years the mosque has been destroyed several times by earthquakes and subsequently rebuilt. A few supporting columns east of the cupola are the most prominent remains of the original mosque that has survived.

The most important reconstruction was after an earthquake in A.D 1034 when the mosque was enlarged to house 5000 worshipers. The builders used capitals and columns of destroyed Byzantine churches in their reconstruction work.

There was standing a white beast, between a mule and an *** in size, with two wings on its thighs, digging its hind legs in and placing its forelegs as far as it can see.

I told you it wasn't a pegasus or a winged horse.

El Aksa is regularly referred to as Islam's third holiest shrine after Mecca and Medina. The present mosque is believed to stand over the area where Solomon built his magnificent palace south of the Temple.

The El Aksa Mosque was built between A.D. 709-715 probably by Caliph Waleed, son of Abd el-Malik, the man who constructed the Dome of the Rock.

Since you have selective memory, I'll repeat.

Al Aqsa mosque today isn't the same structure the Prophet went to, though it's the same location.

Dear Editor,

I think that is a rumour. The Israelis will always make sure that Al-Aqsa stands tall there. Some of them will lay down their lives to make sure it never collapses. Even if it were to collapse on it's own, hundreds of Israelis will stand to prop it.

They know the consequences if Al-Aqsa is brought down.

Although the question may sound preposterous, it is not.

Jewish Zionism evolved out of a steadfast three-millennium-old love of Jerusalem that flourished despite a dispersion that settled Jews far from their holy city. This love of Zion inspired the most extraordinary nationalist movement of the 20th century, one that motivated a far-flung population to relocate to their ancient homeland, revive a dead language, and establish a new polity -- and to do so against intense opposition.

Muslim Zionism, by contrast, has a conditional and erratic history, one based on an instrumental view of the city.[1] Each time Jerusalem has emerged as a focal point of Muslim religious and political interest since the seventh century, it has been in response to specific utilitarian needs. When Jerusalem served Muslim theological or political purposes, the city grew in Muslim esteem and emotions. When those needs lapsed, Muslim interest promptly waned. This cyclical pattern has repeated itself six times over 14 centuries.

In the first such instance, an account in the Koran tells how God instructed Muhammad in 622 to pray toward Jerusalem and 17 months later redirected him to pray toward Mecca. The Arabic literary sources agree that the Jerusalem interlude constituted a failed effort to win over Jews to the new Islamic religion.

The same utilitarian pattern holds in modern times. Ottoman neglect of Jerusalem in the 19th century prompted the French novelist Gustav Flaubert to describe it as "Ruins everywhere, and everywhere the odor of graves. ... The Holy City of three religions is rotting away from boredom, desertion, and neglect." Palestinian Arabs rediscovered Jerusalem only after the British conquered it in 1917, when they used it to rouse Muslim sentiments against imperial control. After Jordanian forces seized the city in 1948, however, interest again plummeted.

It revived only in 1967, when the whole city came under Israeli control. Muslim passion for Jerusalem has soared over the past four decades, to the point that Muslim Zionism closely imitates Jewish Zionism.

Interesting, AmGI. Will contribute later. :)

BMZ

Did you fall asleep at the wheel Beamer??

Or did this one get a little to deep??

Dear BMZ,

So long as people believe it is a rumour, no one will act!!    It Is Not, it has been announced everwhere on news channels as well as by several NGOs that work from Inside Palestine...

I Doubt that this might be a rumor .. Please just checkout this:

http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/94AE7845-54C8-45F5-BC6E-75A8958F3546.htm

The Israeli bulldozers already on the march to bring down one of the wooden walls beside the Mosque!!

I'm afraid Beamer... that if the Israelis REALLY wanted to put the steel hammer down on the   and level it to the ground..... well my friend.... they might recieve a lot of condemnation from

many parts of the

world, but that would be about it.

Oh now don't get me wrong.. .I'm sure there'd be a few crazies that would get their dander up enough to themselves over the issue.

But in the end, no Muslim nation would go to war against Israel over the Al-Aqsa Mosque...

Nope Beamer, I'm afraid if the Israelites did level it, you'd see just how unimportant that mosque really is to the Muslim world.

They'd talk and threaten..... but in the end.... that's as far

as it would go.

The Temple of Solomon whould be rebuilt on it's original site and the Jews

would hold services and refuse Muslims the right to pray, just as Muslims

have done to them.

Well,  Aquina , or Saint Thomas of Aquina,,,,I was born some few  miles away  where he was born....

Anyway, The Moors never pushed or persecuted Jews in Spain or elsewhere else.

Spain didnt exist and was a conglemorat of wisigoth tribes who by trhe way decades earlier sacked Roma. Arabs were mosty welcomed thru all over the ME and North Africa up to Spain by the people who were suffering under the Church taxes.. do another research , and keep away from Wikipedia...

Jews as scholar Maimonite has their best period under muslim ruler in Spain and Irak (Aladin was the official poet of the Abbasid cour and he was Judean, not jewish tho...)

 So , if the Jews were suffering under ``BAD ARAB GUYS `` Like I, how come did they flee with Muslim to North Africa......

Try to learn about the inquisition when catholic pushed Jews and muslim to either convert or leave Spain.....

right, so the baathists teamed up with the sunnis and al-qaeda and are trying to kill the shiites.  That is a religous war, unlike all of your examples.  WWI and WWII were not religous wars, except for the Mulft of Jerusalem who tried unsuccessfully to align the Muslims with the Nazis.  But the Sunnis killing the Shiites is clearly a religous struggle, one that has existed for centuries.  Your argument is so weak it is laughable!

Zarqawi was allied with Al-Qaeda. It was his mission to reignite the Sunni-Shiite fighting in Iraq by bombing Shiite mosques. Al-Qaeda does not want the US to succeed in Iraq so it is behind the terrorism against Shiites, who are considered apostates. Wasn't it Saddam's Foreign Minister, who is a Christian?

Most important point before closing this ``sterile`` discussion, I will clarify the best I can, your blind totale illimited mysterious ``IGNORANCE`` ``BIASED`` ``PREJUDUCE`` that rely on CNN, Pat Robertson, James Kennedy, Billy Graham, Zionist controled media and mind.

First of all, Nothing in the Qoran says about killing ``monotheist`` (Christian and jews) and any ``non bliever`` . The Qoran teachs us that THE CREATOR is the only ONE able to turn people `s heart to the right path, Nobody else. The prophet s uncle AbuTaleb died without accepting ISLAM . DID THE PROPHET CURSE HIM????No He just prayed for him . And had this revelation in the Vers :`` U (MOHAMED) CAN NOT MAKE PEOPLE YOU WANT MUSLIM. BUT ALLAH MAKES WHOM HE WANTS MUSLIMS.`` 

Second, MUSLIM NEVER EVER FOUGHT AGAINT CHRISTIAN OR JEWS UPON CONVERSION ISSUE. The crusades had been launched by Westerner christians that have never known Muslims at the time where Muslim arabs (Coptes, Assyrian, Maronites.....) were living peacefully in the muslim land.

The BATH PARTY (bathiste ) that u r showing your totale `ignorance` about, has been set up by a christian arab :MICHEL AFFLEK. Who was the mentor of Saddam, who was a CIA asset.

 El Qaeeda biggest enemy was Saddam, Al Qaeeda, didnt exist in Irak prior to the Zionist occupation, since the Iraki aggression by the Zionist, more than 650 000 peoples got killed , A NUMBER THAT EVEN SADDAM DIDNT ACCOMPLISH.....WELL , FOR A DEMOCRACY IN IRAK U NEED TO HACE SOME PEOPLE LIVING THERE,

Israel is behind the Sunni-Shiaa fight, because Sunna never foughts agaisnt Shiaa UNTIL THE ZIONIST PUSHED THE US ARMY TO OCCUPY THIS LAND , ISRAEL is behind the Irak WMD scam that get the US army into this nightmare. US is now fighting for THE ROTHSCHILD BANK (FEDERAL RESERVE CREATING MONEY OUT OF NOTHING)

u ve been brainwashed by Hollywood, and other zionist media, that A-RA-B are bad guys and want to kill christian just for fun....

 HAVE U EVER VISITED PALESTINE AND ASKED THE REAL CHRISTIAN ARAB WHAT WAS THEIR FEELING TOWARDS MUSLIM???

 NO!

YOUR only source of inforamtion is carrying by the TeleEvangelist who are rushing for a TOTAL WAR OF ARMAGEDDON THAT DOESNT EXIST. JUST IN THE SCOFIELD BIBLE (REVISITED BY SAMUEL UNTERMEYER)

 Your ignorance of the conflict is just a represnetation of the zionist christian that only and sole purpose is pouring dollars in the AIPAC is to have the IRREAL end of time battle (Massonic mythology) where jews needs to go to Palestine and fight agaisnt ARABS MUSLIM , then they will see the revelation , where some will accept and some will refuse and go to HELL.

 THAT`S IT !

THIS THEORY OF THE END OF TIME HAS BEEN BROUGHT BY THE ROTHSCHILD (OXFORD PRESS) HOUSE TO PUSH PEOPLE FIGHTING AGAISNT EACH OTHER,

 HUMAN being FIGHTING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PLEASURE SATISFACTION JOY OF SATAN (QORAN)

 We MUSLIM have no reason to fullfill THE SCOFIELD BIBLE .

And by the way, I visited South of France where the virgin mary apperearedto the girl (Soubirous ) also Fatima([Portugal) there s nothing about Roma being the capital of the antechrist. Also something is called prophecy when it is made during the living timelife of a prophet, Virgin Mary(peace be upon her) never prophetized such thinks during her lifetime.....

 my lost word, is you have to much hatred in your heart to spread the teaching of Jesus which is Love (peace be on him).

The Koran says to kill anyone who fights against Islam including those like me who criticize it

give me the Surah and Verse reference please.

If I lived in a Muslim country I would be in jail right now, if not dead, already

Give me a link u used for building up your accusation

Christians and Jews are only safe if they keep quite, like the good dhimmis they should be

Give me where I can find it in the Qoran ( Chapter and verse)

Copts and other Christians in Muslim lands don't dare complain about their treatment because they're too afraid to complain, but the one's who make it to the US, who I have spoken to, tell of the prejudice and violence they suffer from Muslims

ok! excepet , ``who u spoke to``, give me please a reliable source of accusation.

"Coptic church attack" in Goole.

Well! it gives me 2 facts, THE CHRISTIAN GIRL WHO CONVERTED AND WHOSE FAMILLY DIDNT ACCET HER CONVERSION TO ISLAM .

Second, the CHURCH theater comedy play , where they were making fun of prophet Mohamed (sala ALLAH aleehi wa salem)

"La Salette prophecy" to read about the prophecy from Mary.  Mary has appeared at other places, not just at Lourdes, France.

Apparently , u dont get myu point, I didnt dent the point that Mary did appear anywhere but about Mary apparition  prophecy ....

Jesus never killed any one nor did he teach anyone to kill.

Then explain this:

Romans 1:25-32
25.  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26.  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.  Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28.  Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29.  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30.  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;  31.  they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32.  Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

According to he New Testament, those who commit such sins, deserve DEATH!

According to the New Testament, we are all guilty of breaking all of God's commandments and worthy of death. That is why God sent His Son to be the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Paul, is not advocating the death penalty for idolaters and homosexuals but forgiveness for all, even the most vile sinners. He is teaching as Jesus taught, when He forgave the woman who was to be stoned to death for adultery " He that is without sin should cast the first stone."  Paul is merely stating in Romans 1:25:32, according to Moses' Law such people are worthy of death. It is by believing in Jesus' sacrifice that saves us from the death penaly of Moses' Law, is what the Epistle to the Romans teaches.

That is why God sent His Son to be the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

But Jesus DIDN'T want to die for your sin:

Go and learn what this means, `I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." (Matthew 9:13)

God desires sinners to show mercy not sacrifice.

I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." (Matthew 9:13)

Here, Jesus said that "I desire mercy, not sacrifice".  He's obviously talking about HIMSELF.

He's telling he DOES NOT want to sacrifice himself for your sins.

How can the proverb "I" refer to sinners?

God says he desires sinners to show mercy to one another instead of offering sacrifices, for their sacrifices are not pleasing to him anymore.

I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." (Matthew 9:13)

" I " refers to Jesus. Jesus was obviously talking about HIMSELF.

Jesus came to call sinners to repentance.

Jesus said, "I desire mercy, and not sacrifice."

Read that! Does that sound like Jesus calling to the sinners or Jesus talking about himself?

God the merciful, offered a perfect sacrifice in His own Son.

If your God is so merciful, why can't he forgive sins without having someone nailed to the cross?

Let's ask Jesus what he thought of God when he was sacrifice:

"My Lord! My Lord! Why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)

Jesus doesn't sound so happy now does he?

What kind of 'mercy' condones human sacrifice?

As Abraham prophesied to Isaac, "God will provide the sacrifice."

Correct, in this case, it was a ram, not a human.

God showed His mercy to us while we were yet sinners in offering His son as a sacrifice for our sins.

Do you believe that God is all-powerful? If so, why can't he forgive sins without sacrificing Jesus?

Abel's sacrifice of bood was accepted  by God but Cain's unbloody sacrifice was rejected; without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

It's one thing to shed blood, it's another to shed human blood.

 Jesus is the Passover Lamb who saves us from God's judgement.

How can God be a Passoever lamb?

God commanded the shedding of blood through circumcision on the eighth day.

When did God become so blood thirsty?

Muslims also practice circumcision and sacrifice animals, but it's not because God wants the blood or anything like that.

Muslims practice out of ignorance what God through hidden knowledge sought to teach Abraham and the Israelites

Have u ever tried to read your non sense??? Arabs are from ISHMAEL the first born of Abraham....

Muhammed copied from Jewish practices such as circumcision and animal sacrifices

there s no worse than an ignorant who pretend to be knowledgeable... try to be a bit humble and give up about Mohamed (alehi afdal salet woua atayiabu teslima) and his followers. Circumcision and animal sacrifice (to be given to poor and needy people)has been `mandatory`` from OUR GRANDFATHER Abraham who did it first to his first born ISHMAEL, my own ancestor...then to all THE 10 ARAB TRIBES (Khoreich is one of them and the PROPHET NOBLE TRIBE)

 The Torah teaches that the power of life is in the blood

the Power of Life is in a well guided HEART

 Muslims are fooling themselves to think they are Children of Abraham.

Well! do u say that to your ``christian`` arab ``first hand`` friend , yeah tell them that...

U r just acting using hatred and biase, children of someone is a blood-genetic related lies.

Our grand mother Hadger (Haggar) WAS A PRINCESS (go to your bible) SHE WAS THE DAUGHTER OF THE KING OF EGYPT(before the Pharao era) . She was ``given`` to OUR GRANDFATHER Abraham as gift, because the King saw in him prophethood. Haggar was a servant , true,. because she was young and Sarah was old, that`s it nothing else, WE ``SEMITE`` (u cant understand that) CAN HAVE MANY WIVES , and the younger is servant to the older.  SO WHY THE BIBLE (corrupted and twisted tho) even RECONIZES ISHMAEL AS PROPHET...

Following your ``western`` biased towards us ISHMAELITE, we are not legitime...WHAT ABOUT THE 10 JUDEANS TRIBES ???

Lea and 2 of his sisters were married to Jacob, among 4 others ``SERVANT`` ....they give the 12 israelis tribes, , so Levy, Rubens, Juda ARE NOT FORM JACOB????( following your ``unlogic``)

 10 tribes diseaperd while in captivity (Nabuchodonosr time) only 2 remained and returned from captivity , The Juda tribe(son of a servant) and the Israelis tribe(from Benyamin) ....

Also, Prophet Mooses (Alehi Salem) married an arab girl (the daughter of Salih the Medianite) IT IS EVEN IN THE CECILE.B.DEMILLE MOVIE....THE 10 COMMANDMENTS...which give us that most of the leading tribe of Moosed were from an arab blood.....sorry!

 U dont read what I ve been writting(I do it for the readers tho) but at least stick to your main source of information HOLLYWOOD!

PS: knowing that 98% of the more or less 10 millions of the  ``self called`` ``self styled`` jews in the world are AZKHENAZI (Mongoloid ethnic convert to Pharizean during the 9th century) and ARE NOT SEMITE...

 KNOWING THAT THERE S 21 ARAB NATION more than 200MILLIONS ....WHO ARE the stars in the sky that THE CREAOTOR PROMISED TO ABRAHAM ....?

So , u want us to believe the Bible as the  Slavery trader justifying that black slaves are like in the bible were THE BLACK PEOPLE were cursed by Noah (cursing Shem)

Or maybe the last version of the bible (revisited by Scofield and Samuel Untermeyer) where Israel is called a Nation and not a tribe anymore...dont u see the political agenda.?

 the Arabs, also should submit to the abuse of Sarah's children

u really want us to believe this crap?

there s no more Judean . the KAZAR are AZHKENAZI and the only one who follow Pharazean (Judaism) and have not a drop of semite blood....WHAT ARE U TALKIN ABOUT???

It is Christians and Jews who are as the stars in the heavens, too great to number

But most of the christain (95% ) are NOT SEMITE....

 U RE CONTRADICITNG YOURSELF!

 Putting the ones  you love children of Abraham ....

Muslims practice out of ignorance what God through hidden knowledge sought to teach Abraham and the Israelites.

I always thought we had the same God, but apparently we don't.

What does your God hides important messages? Is he trying to be funny?

In the Quran, my Gods tells everything we need to know clearly, not secrets, hidden messages, puzzles or anything like that.

Muhammed copied from Jewish practices such as circumcision and animal sacrifices without understanding their spiritual meaning, and Muslims continue these practices, until today.

No he didn't. That's a lie.

Islam and Judaism have these things in common because they're both from God.

If Muhammad (pbuh) was acting on his own, why would he copy the Jews?

Why would he copy the traditions of a race that regard the Arabs as inferior?

Why is chapter 19 of the Quran named after a Jewish women, Mary. If Muhammad (pbuh) was acting on his own will, he would have surely named it after his own mother or wife or daughter.

Your words don't make sense!

The Torah teaches that the power of life is in the blood - there is spiritual power in the blood that gives life and covers sins

Muslims don't make animal sacrifice becuse there is 'spiritual power' in blood.

While in Egypt, the Hebrews were instructed by God to apply a lamb's blood to the three posts of their doorway in order to spare the life of their firstborn son, when God sent the Angel of Death as a judgement upon the land of Egypt.

In Islam, the angel of death is not that ****.

 Muslim Arabs need to submit as their mother, Hagar submitted to her Jewish mistress, but they have no permanent home with God's family and will eventually be expelled as Hagar and Ishmael were expelled.

ok!, u want us to ``submit`` to the AzkheNAZI (Mongoloid converted , History of Jews of Russia.Dubnow )..Haggar didnt submit to ANYBODY except to THE CREATOR. I dont understand and never will why u think that some people have to rule over other people, NOT REALLY CHRISTIAN.... 

WAS SARAH JEWISH ????NO the Judean (and not Jewish ) appeared at the Jacob offspring...not before. U need to ``recycle`` your ``crap``.

By the way OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOHAMED ALLEHI SALET WA SALEM, Died due to poisonous meat that has been brought to him by a Judean (not Jewish) Women...And the Qoran restore to his real stature Prophet Salomon (peace be upon him)...

U re mistakin about the Virgin Mary ``confusion``, The Virgin Mary is called in the Qoran  BINTO IMRAN (chapter THE FAMILLY OF IMRAN) it just means in the old semitic culture that you belong to this particulat tribe. It wont have been confused because it says that she was praying in the Temple and under the authority of her Uncle Zackaria (who got sliced twice by the Sanhedrin) as his son Yahia , John the baptist who got beheaded by the Judean King under the authority of the Sanhedrin.

MY POINT IS : Do you really believe what has been ``twisted`` and ``corrupted`` in the Torah (old testament) and TALMUD.

 CAN U REPLY TO ME.

"That the Bible has been corrupted is a Muslim myth which only the ignorant can believe. When was the Bible corrupted? The Dead Sea Scrolls which date to the time of Christ don't show any corruption in the Bible since that time. "

There's no part of the New Testament in the Dead sea scrolls, so what are you talking about?

Actually, you're the one confuse.

In Semetic, language, the word brother/sister has a broader meaning than just the biological siblings.

The verse in the Quran you're referring to was narrating the story of Mary, mother of Jesus.

She was accused of having illegal sexual relations and so she was reminded of her honourable ancestry when she was addressed as 'Sister of Aaron'.

And that's Aaaron as in the brother of Moses.