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Thread: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 12, 2006 4:45 AM
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Salaam every one, There are approximately 700,000 Muslims in the Netherlands, representing nearly five percent of the population. Dutch Muslims come primarily from Turkey and Morocco, but there are substantial minorities from Surinam, Iraq and Somalia. The Dutch government said Friday, November 10, it was mulling to ban the face-veil (niqab) of Muslim women in public places in a move that could deepen the sense of alienation and marginalization of the country's Muslim minority. Full article: Holland Mulls Total Ban on Face-Veil How do you see the future of Hijab/ Niqab in the Netherelands and the future of Hijab in Europe in general? For more information about Muslims in the Netherlands: Click Here Ellie C
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Re: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 12, 2006 1:12 PM
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Ellie C
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The questian is why the world is sticking on hijab?Why people go for it? It is the male dominated world. Men branding woman as commercial material. Some sweets overed in a pack. i some time wonder why these religious arrogant sticking on hijab. MUSLIMS Society promotes illiteracy wolrd wide. They doesnot promote education and specially it on woman. It is a suppressed religion. Why educated woman right group are not responding publicly or not giving a chance? If anyone raise their hand radicals kill them. First think you are guiding section of people who reached overseas for a livelihood. please allow them to live these poor people. Do not lit the fire of religious fundamentalism in their head-PLEASE MUSLIMS SCHOLLERS. Your intention is to convert as many as fast. But as many you convert are the one diying everyday. You will be punished in god's court.Just remember that.
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Re: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 12, 2006 1:51 PM
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Rasha
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Hi my sister in humanity; unfortunately you seem to have no idea of what is Islam is! please take a look at this website and you will find out that you´re totally wrong about your judgments about this great religion. God bless everyone who seeks the truth and intends to be in the righteous path.
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Re: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 12, 2006 6:54 PM
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Rasha
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"it is the male dominated world. Men branding woman as commercial material. Some sweets overed in a pack"
this is completley true about western women who are used as sex objects. since you failed to realize that today you see in any advertisment, commercial, TV shows, sports you see naked women try to please men. they are the means of business for men because men want to use women to run a business from strip club, to airlines, restaurants. SO they are indeed treated as the cheapest material on this earth in these societies.
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Re: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 18, 2006 12:08 AM
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Muslim
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I find it so amusing how these people who claim to be 'modern' are so myophic,xenophobic and just generally stupid in their thought process. This is because Allah said "They are like animals, nay they are more astray".
I ask the Dutch government and others this
1) You allow marijuana and cocaine in your bars. These two things desecrate whole societies. Drugs fracture families and lead to many evils which one cannot even add up. I know because my country is one of the major transhipment points in America and I have seen neighbourhoods and people destroyed by marijuana and cocaine. Now you would allow this disease and make it legal in your society. Thereby giving freedom for people to destroy their family lives and their own lives yet you do not allow a woman to wear a face veil??
2) You say you want freedom for women. Yet you allow prostitution in areas like the red light district in Amsterdam. This allows men to desecrate the woman's body which is her's for a dollar. Hence making them like cattle which can be brought and sold once the price is right. And these girls are sisters and mothers to other people and they do not deserve to be exploited like this. You allow the exploitation of women in order that they gain their daily bread yet you do not seek to adress that issue. Instead you ban a face veil.
I always thought that Europe was a place of progress and technology but then again I forgot what you are smoking and snorting there.
Sorry but my conclusion is that Europeans instead of accepting Islam try to fight it because of their jealously. Their churches are emptied and it is replaced by materialistic philiosophy which does not enhance the lives of its people. And unfortunately for them Islam does that for everyone. And also it is not being done by the sword or by giving out food to the hungry. It is because Allah has chosen to guide the people to Islam and to love the religion. And all your Ad Hordium arguments saying that Islam is a terrorist religion that promotes backwardness have no foundation at all. And since I am a history student I can speak hours of how Europeans in the 14th and 15th and 16th century destroyed civilizations which were more forward than theirs and tried to claim the history of the peoples they conquered as their own.
So I would say that the current stand of western countries is to mentally enslave their people so that they would not see the light of Islam. So that they would continue to follow the media when it presents its one dimensional blizzard of baseless rhetoric on the television screens, newspapers and the radio. But I say to all the westerners reading this, read the Qur'an and see the truth for yourselves and open your minds and your hearts and I say peace unto the one who follows the guidance
Abu Talha
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Re: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 26, 2006 4:22 PM
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AbuTalhaTrini
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You point out things that the Dutch people enjoy, such as drugs and prostitution, and as a free people they should have the right to enjoy that. But the banning of the veils was as a response to the Murders of prominent Dutch citizens such as Theo Van Gogh. No matter how you cut it, Murder is far worse than either drugs or prostitution (which, you must admit, is well regulated in the Netherlands). Consider this, imagine group of muslims in Saudi Arabia were killed by people wearing a certain type of shirt. The government would ban that shirt because it is an association with violence and people would want to crack down on that violent group. The Dutch are simply responding to a rash of murders, namely Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh. Murder is far worse than either drugs or prositution, just look at what is happening in Iraq as the Shiites and Sunni murder each other and the chaos that is bringing.
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Re: Banning the face-veil (niqab) in the Netherlands
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Nov 27, 2006 3:13 PM
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AbuTalhaTrini
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The Dutch government can pass any laws it wants: it can legalise prostitution, legalise all the drugs they want. It is their country. If they want everyone to wear green socks they can do so - and when you go to Holland you would have to put on your green socks. When Dutch people go to countries where women are not allowed to drive, where there are places where alcohol is forbidden, they will follow the same laws. It is as easy as that. When you move to a country, you follow the laws of the country. Period. And for some reason there are more Muslim people who want to life in Holland than the other way around. Funny isn't it? What is happening in Europe is that a lot of people are embracing reason and find out that they don't need a god to live a fulfilled life. We are not looking for another god to give us man-made rules, which come from the dark ages. A lot of people are liberating themselves from this. This is progress and this is a reason why churches are empty. (PS. Drug use and violence against females is even more rampant in many muslim countries than in Europe. Ever heard about the drug problems of Pakistan?, the rape victems of Iraq, prostitution in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.).
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U're right Lucy
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Jun 16, 2007 9:17 AM
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LucyHolland
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U're right Lucy. They must respect the laws, try to learn the language of the country hosts them. Now what about individuals choices? Anybody has a theoretical right to choose what to wear even if he/she shows his/her pubic hair or totally cover his/her face. I agree. Face cover can be a security risk. I can't go to a bank & not see the face of the clerk who serves me for example. Besides, face cover is not a matter of consensus among muslims. Banning it is not a big deal. Just to add: Many muslims are promoting their selfish local traditions as being part of Islam. One other question: In a countries where with sexual freedoms (prostitution, pornography, concubines all in respect to the dignity of human females) why there still thounsands of rapes? Regards
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Re: U're right Lucy
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Jan 3, 2008 8:33 AM
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TARIKONLINE
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Salaam, Tarik!
Rape is taking over control and power over another human being. Sexuality is just the way to carry out this act but the act itself has absolutly nothing to do with erotic. It is all about overpowering and humilitating another human fellow. BTW not only woman are raped!
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Re: U're right Lucy
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Nov 21, 2009 2:22 PM
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Here's an interesting thing about Rape in Islamic Countries. It is well documented. In order to prove rape in Pakistan, a woman must be able to call four male witnesses to attest to it for her. If she is unable to do this, her rapist is set free and she can either be imprisoned, beaten, or stoned for Adultery.
It is also O.K. for a husband to beat his wife as long as he doesn't draw blood or bruise her.
It is quite alright for a family to sell its daughter or trade her in a dispute.
Tarikonline, it is possible for a woman to accuse someone of Rape in most European Countries without standing the risk of being stoned because she cannot find four Muslim Men to witness for her. Most Rapists don't have four men looking on who would attest to the rape in Court. Rape is a crime in Europe, reporting a crime isn't.
If it doesn't happen, according to the powers that be, it won't be recorded as a crime.
It would also appear O.K. for a girl to be raped as a punishment.
This is all documented, not just a figment of my imagination.
What people must understand is that many countries in Europe have been controlled by the Church. We know what Priests and Clerics are capable of.
Any society that gives too much power to religious leaders will come to realise that these people are just Human and will abuse the powers given to them.
I would no more trust and Imam than I would a Catholic Priest, or a Church of England Vicar.
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Re: U're right Lucy
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Nov 24, 2009 3:48 AM
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Dogman
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Any society that gives too much power to religious leaders will come to realise that these people are just Human and will abuse the powers given to them.
True. But these kind of people only listen and change to someone who has the ability to outwit them. Condemning them does not works.
Show them that you know better than them in wise ways, and they will hand it to you their positions.
Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright. (16:125)
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Re: U're right Lucy
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Nov 24, 2009 2:56 PM
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GDAQ
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I believe that what you say is true. But I have studied 17th Century British History. Men who made the best arguments at that time ended up dead or sitting in the stocks in London with their ears cut off and branded!
If you are dealing with people who wish to follow reason, all well and good, but there are still too many places in the World where open discussion still ends in disappearance.
Sometimes I think that God has abandoned this world because it is too disappointing for him.
In a book I read recently (forgot the name) a man meets the devil, who said that he was redundant because People were finding things to do to each other that HE hadn't thought of.
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