My Dear Freind.

they arent Gun men  they are mujaheeden buddy,not like me or you just Talk rubbish and do nothing.

well at least this time the cowards didnt run for cover to a christian place of worship, or a christian home, as they have done in the past.  isnt it curious how the muslims can always pull on the heart strings of the west, to get their sympathy? - they do this of course by involving unarmed people, and making up stories (otherwise known as lies) like the lie they told about israel firing missiles on two lebanese red cross ambulances. 

the muslims, who control the western media, have actually arranged things so that it is politically incorrect to criticise them or argue with them.  but we (the smart set, that is) are not fooled by these cheap, nasty little lies.  nothing can stop the truth hallelujah

I saw you declared being from Great Britain; that's why I decided to post something interesting from your Prince Charles.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2429851,00.html

Kirilova

Hello,

it's natural for him; it's an aristocrat.You see that more stupid the people are, more aggressive they are. The example is even on this thread. That's why I agree with Prince Charles that the education is the main road towards the peace and the justice. This is a principles' question. Not strange that all the dictatorships had started by eliminating the intellectuals. The same is valid for the war criminal Israeli regime.

Do you know that the Zionists' establishment can't find a normal and respected Jew to replace Katsav? I read an interview with Elie Wiesel, an American Jew, a Professor and a writer, a Nobel Prize for Peace, who complained to the French Figaro Magazine, that he had been put pressures to become a President of Israel. He opposed because he couldn't accept to repeat what the Zionists tell him. You see the difference among the intellectual Wiesel and the war criminal Katsav and his desperate propagandists here and elsewhere.

Have my best regards.

Kirilova

Your pathological hatred expresses psychological complexes. But in no way you are good for a propagandist. It's understandable that the war criminals have no educated people to serve them, as the US Senator John Kerry had stated. However you declined lexicology is counter productive.

Do you want to see a real nazi picture? Click here. It's a Bulgarian Internet site which translated the latest revelations of the German "Stern" magazine that the German occupational troops in Afghanistan were putting the figures of the Hitler Nazi African occupational troops, the nazi svastikas. See the both pictures, the modern nazis above, and their Hitler tutoring nazis below.  This scandal comes few days after the "skull" revelations by the German "Bild".

http://www.segabg.com/online/article.asp?issueid=2458&sectionid=4&id=0000905

 The picture is taken from segabg.com which took it from the German "Stern"

Thus the image comes to confirm that the oil war criminals are nazis.

Kirilova

Their soldiers are far far away from any fighting. They are all huddled in the peaceful villages of Northern Afghanistan. The press has nothing to talk about so they make a big hoopla about some guy painting Rommel's swaztika on his tank or some other guy posing with a skull. 

Big deal.

BB

The German "Berliner Morgenpost" revealed that German soldiers organized a "game" with an Afghan kid. In 2002 they amused themselves by terrorizing the kid, they pointed their weapons to him and simulated a death execution. As a result of this horror the kid was shocked. The soldiers took pictures of the fake execution and at the end they gave one dollar to their "target".

http://www.morgenpost.de/content/2006/11/05/politik/864091.html

This third scandal comes in a span of a dozen days, after the skull and the nazi swastikas pictures.

The US lead occupiers brutalize the Afghan population. That's why the France will be pulling out soon. The French media carry out an intentional campaign destined to prepare the public for this pull out, while the mainstream media continue to mention "leaks", it seems that it's the official information. Today I read a long publication about the failure of the invaders. Especially that the US invented the Al-Qaeda for the brainwashing of the **** Americans. Or the US had protected the opium producers in Afghanistan; the brother of Hamid Karzai runs 70 % of the world's heroin traffic. The French media ask the question if there's any sense to continue to protect the opium traffic criminals, given that the US war crimes had put the entire Afghan population against the West. Even the Afghan servants of the Karzai's palace talk against him. The French consider that there were chances to promote respect for the West among the Afghans, but the US atrocities had destroyed all the possible bridges of communication among the occupational corps and the population.

To the point that the invasion was advantageous only for the opium traffic criminals. It was a common issue that traffickers from one Afghan tribe slander that their rivals from another tribe were Al-Qaeda, to steal their dividends from the opium traffic and the corruption. Then the **** US military would bomb and arrest the unfortunate poor Afghan villagers, would torture and detains them in the American Gulag. Thus the  Afghan population became very hostile to the westerners. This is the truth about Al-Qaeda, I had already said on the old forum that al-Qaeda is a ridiculous invention of the CIA and the US military Intelligence.

By the way the US had never spoken about the real resisters in Afghanistan and had never captured REAL combatants. The real combatants are not in Guantanamo, but fight the US aggressors under the commands of Mullah Dadullah, the military operations chief of the Resistance. The US are still searching for him. I know where he is, but I won't tell you. 

So the French will eat their Christmas turkeys in Paris, abandoning the US to face alone the wrath of the Afghan people!

Regards.

Kirilova

"your pathological hatred expresses psychological complexes" was your latest pearl of wisdom.  how typically islamic!!!  all hatred of, and opposition to, islam, can only be the product of a sick mind.  of course.  it is also typically nazi.  all opponents to the dog hitler were designated as mentally disturbed or otherwise diseased.  (perhaps thats why the weak bulgarians signed up to his vile supremacist ideology - they thought people would think they were sick in the head if they didnt)

above is a poster of the nationaldemokratische partei deutschlands (politically-correct speak for nazi scum).  as you can see, they are as opposed to the usa as you are.  they are also as opposed to israel as you are, btw

 Freeloadinthepants, why don't you give up?

Hey, btw, have any dead limeys been sent your way lately?

frames and propaganda schemas.

http://judicial-inc.biz/ROCKETEERS_fiddle.htm

Put aside the Bulgarian, they were the only one nation in Europe to refuse the deportation of the Jews during the WWII. You are so blind by the hatred that you ignore the major historical facts.

If you continue this way, your masters will sack you, try to have some lessons in war propaganda.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005355

this is an interesting link.  it utterly exposes the lies of the nazi kirilova

this is what she said:

"Put aside the Bulgarian, they were the only one nation in Europe to refuse the deportation of the Jews during the WWII. You are so blind by the hatred that you ignore the major historical facts."

the link above shows that bulgaria (under the auspices of the filthy nazi axis powers to which it belonged) deported over 11 000 jews to german-held territory.  these jews did not come from bulgaria.  they came from thrace, eastern serbia and macedonia, which had been invaded and taken over by the imperialistic nazi bulgarian power.  yet kirilova still maintains that bulgaria "refused the deportation of the jews during ww2"  what a lie!!!  and what a liar!!!

(there are of course, plenty of other links that show the truth.  what im saying is an established fact, and also shows how brainwashed this person is)

The problems of the Balkans were created by the 19th colonial Berlin Congress, invented by D'Israeli. The name speaks about itself.

Bulgaria is the only one European state which didn't deport its Jews during the WWII. The link you provided says the same thing.

Something more important.Actually the Bulgarians didn't do robberies in Israel, while the Zionists are looting Bulgaria since a couple of years. According to he former public prosecutor of Bulgaria Ivan Tatarchev stated that an economic patrimony on the level of 33 billions had been "privatized" by the Zionists for 1,7 billion; which is the major looting in the 13 centuries of existance of the Bulgarian state on the Balkans. The former US public prosecutor Ramsey Clarke says the same things.

The classics regarding the Zionist robbery is the drama of the former Bulgarian air company of " Balkan". In 1999 the businessmen brothers Zeevi / the former Israeli minister for the tourism Rehavim Zeevi and his brother Gad Zeevi, "gad" means "filthy" in Slav/ had "privatized" the "Balkan" for the symbolic sum of 150 000 $ with the obligation to invest. Instead of respecting the contract they signed, they sold all the planes and fled with 50 000 000 $.

Where's the "filthy" now?

Where are the Bulgarian planes?

You see that the Zionists are savage and barbaric everywhere; in Bulgaria they loot the population, in Palestine they kill the people.

By the way, the UN had asked Israel to stop its war provocations against Lebanon. The French commander of the international peace keeping forces had already asked the UN to authorize these forces to cut off the Israeli military flights over the Lebanon territory.

"Bulgaria is the only one European state which didn't deport its Jews during the WWII. The link you provided says the same thing."aha - so now you have changed what you said.  you said earlier that bulgaria did not deport the jews.  now you are saying bulgaria did not deport its jews.  but i myself made the point that the jews they did deport did not come from bulgaria, as the report shows.  the fact remains that nazi bulgaria did deport jews.  fact.  and instead of facing up to your national shame,  and dealing with it, all you can do is still decry the jews.  even if you had not deported any jews, the very fact that you made military alliance with the dog who killed 6 million of them would be shame enough

The shame is for the robbers, the war criminals and the defamatory ones, like you.

Or maybe you are some ignorant individual having racist complexes. Or your kids had thorn several pages from your history manuel! Whatever the reason for your lies could be, I repeat that the Bulgarians were the only state in Europe which didn't deport Jews during WWII. Regarding the German operations in Macedonia and Thracia, these states were occupied by Germany and the german troops stayed there till the end of the war.

I post several links regarding the saving of the Bulgarian Jews and I have no more time to deal with your intolerance.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1310/is_1994_July-August/ai_16060637

http://www.macedoniainfo.com/TsarBorisIII.htm

http://yad-vashem.org.il/about_yad/press_room/press_releases/bulgarian_clergymen.html

http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/?en/saviors/events/2644.htm

I know that the Zionists abuse with the Holocaust issues to bar any critics over the Israeli genocide in Palestine. However I could never believe before that such a serious issue as the saving of the Bulgarian Jews could be so amazingly abused. You did it clumsily, with the intention to bar my awareness about the Israeli massacres and crimes that are carried out for half a century.

What has the Bulgarian history to do with the Israeli fire on the women in the Gaza mosque? Why didn't you reply in a normal way as any normal person did? Why did you switched on the Holocaust and in plus you lied in a nasty way?  

Kirilova

you know i actually did look at the first link you provided.  surprise, surprise, it proves that what im saying is correct.  and it proves you a liar - here is an excerpt from the link you posted:

"On 22 February SS Sturmfuhrer Theodor Dannecker, a close colleague of Adolf Eichmann, met Alexander Belev in Sofia where the two men drew up a plan to deport 20,000 Jews to Germany. The first target was the Jewish community in the territories of Thrace and Greece ceded to Bulgaria by Nazi Germany. At the beginning of March, with the consent of Boris III and his government, 11,363 "non-Bulgarian" Jews were arrested. Packed into freight trains, they crossed Bulgaria on their way to Treblinka, from which they never returned."

as you can see your link clearly states that territories of thrace and greece were ceded to bulgaria by nazi germany.  as you can see the plan was to deport jews from these bulgarian-held areas.  as you can see, the plan was carried out with consent of the nazi bulgarian government.  as you can see, im using your own link to prove you utterly wrong.  and we can now see what a total liar you are

if i have time i may look at your other links, but after this charade, i dont see why i should waste my time on your lies

for the record, i have made full comment on the gaza issue on this thread, which, if youd bother to read it, youll find out.  you raised the issue of bulgaria, as you always do (you can raise what issue you like as far as im concerned, but youre not going to get away with nazi , muslim lies with me)

kirilova - the second link you posted also mentions the 11 000 jews transported from what it calls the "new territories".  did you really think i would not spot these things?

also there is no israeli genocide going on in so-called palestine.  the genocidal impulse is all on the side of the muslims, as can be seen by the actions of hizbullah, the hamas charter, and the rantings of the madman ahmadinejad

also, for the record, noone has denied that jews living in bulgaria, being bulgarian citizens, were saved

It was you who started talking about Bulgaria instead of replying to my post about the Israeli atrocities in Gaza. However you didn't answer what has the saving of the Bulgarian Jews to do with the actual Israeli massacres.

Some more links about this issue and I will switch on the current Zionist anti-islamic holocaust. First the Bulgarian Jews. The Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt writes in his "Eihman in Jerusalem":

"And the result was that not a single Bulgarian Jew had been deported or had died an unnatural death..."

 http://www.b-info.com/places/Bulgaria/Jewish/Eichman.shtml

This link provides more links and information about the salvation of the Bulgarian Jews during   the WWII. Hannah Arendt disqualified you as a liar.

Read her entire book. There are man interesting things about the totalitarianism, the analysis give good approach for the understanding of the nature of the fascism. Thus she says that the uneducated crowds prefer the lies / to explain why the masses voted for Hitler/, because the lies meet better their expectations. This analysis may explain also why Bush came on power. Like Hitler he lied and the **** crowds had prefered the lies. And like Hitler the Bush junta is carrying out exterminations, this time the Muslims are the scapegoat.

talking about Eihman, today there's a breaking news regarding him, coming up from the CIA.The CIA had made public secret document dating back to 60 years and related to the WWII and the nazis. The 27 000 pages reveal much about the cooperation of the US and the West with many former nazis. The documents show also that the Western Germany and the SS, sorry I wanted to write US, knew where the nazi criminal Adolf Eihman was hidden. But they didn't reveal this because he could say things about the past of the nazi Hans Globke, who was a chief of the cabinet of Chancellor  Conrad Adenauer.

At least 23 nazi criminals were employed by the CIA and the US. I have this breaking news from the Bulgarian site of segabg, if you can't find English sources, ask me. I haven't more time to do the WEB search now. Or you may exercise a robot translation.

http://www.segabg.com/online/article.asp?issueid=2463&sectionid=4&id=0000905

Now I provide a link about the Zionists crimes around the world, since the beginning till today

http://www.jewwatch.com/

It was you who started talking about Bulgaria instead of replying to my post about the Israeli atrocities in Gaza. However you didn't answer what has the saving of the Bulgarian Jews to do with the actual Israeli massacres.you did mention bulgaria first.  you gave details of a bulgarian website which alleged nazi behaviour on the part of german troops in afghanistan.  what did this have to do with gaza?

"And the result was that not a single Bulgarian Jew had been deported or had died an unnatural death..."once again, you have not read my posts, nor have you even read through the links you yourself provided.  the point, as you well know, i suspect, was never about bulgarian jews, but about jews from bulgarian occupied territories sent to their deaths by bulgarians

The drugs and the depravations modify the normal conscience.

Why don't you  put aside the immorality to speak clearly?

So to put it cleary: "civilized" means to bomb the others, to occupy their states, to ravage their economy, to massacre them, to loot their oil, when they have some, and then to switch to something else. Without excuses.

I could never imagine before that I shall be a witness of the fall of the most eerie totalitarian regimes in the human history - the Soviet union and the U$rael. That's really impressive.

Best regards.

Kirilova

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 that's  5 stars answer.

 don't think he will get it? he will need decades of serious work to understand you here. give him something in his level? give him like "f" word he will get your message faster...

 unfortunatly, they are the majority now and yo should learn to give them the talk in their level

I don't get it... what exactly are we supposed to see in that picture?

All I see is a white vehicle?

See again and wake up before watching something.

This is the nazi svastika used by the nazi troops in Africa. It's quite well visible on the "white vehicule".

http://www.segabg.com/online/article.asp?issueid=2458&sectionid=4&id=0000905

Gaza is no West Bank: the jihadis have destroyed all Christian Churches over there a long time ago, and that's why they have to use mosques for cover.

best regards

OTT.

There the 'Nazi's' go again, trying to blame someone else, for the fact that THEY just murdered a bunch of helpless women...

I'm a bit confused, how were 'unarmed' women PROTECTING' armed men??

Kind of funny, you calling unarmed Muslim women 'imperialists'! Yes, I suppose they planned to take over the world, with their empty hands....

And all those tanks, guns, bombs, and bullets the Israelis are walking around with, are just so they can better express their love and good intentions towards all mankind...

Kind of funny, you calling unarmed Muslim women 'imperialists'! Yes, I suppose they planned to take over the world, with their empty hands....i really fail to see the funny side of it.  the aim of islam is to take over the world, as we know.  the muslims are imperialists, if, for no other reason, they wish to re-conquer the land of israel (which they got by imperialistic conquest in the first place).  they are the "occupiers", not israel.  the land is israels by right (quran 5: 21)

And all those tanks, guns, bombs, and bullets the Israelis are walking around with, are just so they can better express their love and good intentions towards all mankind...no, they are walking about with all this weaponry in order to defend their, country, homes, families and their freedom in the face of muslim aggression.  we are fully aware what will happen to the land should it be overrun by the muslims (which could so easily happen, if the israelis take their eye off the ball).  hamas has made it clear.  non-muslims will have nothing to look forward to but the bondage of dhimmitude, oppression, discrimination.  look at what theyve done to the christian population of the so-called "palestinian authority" areas

Oh gosh Freddie, sometimes you really make me laugh! Israel is not the 'occupier'??

Your statements are just TOO absurd!!

Freddie, it seems to me if the Muslims had an 'imperialist' agenda to 'take over the world', they would be spending all their time and money arming themselves to the teeth, like the US and Israel are doing...in order to achieve these 'long term goals' you believe they have. Tell me Freddy, with all that 'oil money' they've got, why hasn't this been the case?? Why doesn't the UAE have more nukes than anybody, by now?? Why aren't they stationing branches of their burgeoning military all over the world, (like the US), to protect their 'interests'? Why aren't they launching their own satellites into space, so they can keep track of, and subsequently control the movements of everybody on the planet? You say they want to take over Israel, well goodness gracious, why haven't they done it, then? For that matter, why aren't they getting busy on their 'Star Wars' program, and getting those heavy duty lasers installed up there in orbit, so they can easily take out any who oppose them, with the push of a button, from space? I mean really, if their plan is to 'take over the world', then I'd say they need to apply themselves to it, a bit more...

Please Freddie, do wake up and smell the gunpowder...

I think it's clear who has the larger agenda here.

Your statements are just TOO absurd!!this,sahara, is not an answer to the point i made

Freddie, it seems to me if the Muslims had an 'imperialist' agenda to 'take over the world', they would be spending all their time and money arming themselves to the teeth, like the US and Israel are doing...in order to achieve these 'long term goals' you believe they have.well, i think this may be the reason the muslims have not appointed you as their "chief tactician".  what you are suggesting would do no good at all..  shayk jusuf qaradawi has said that the aim is a muslim europe, and we can see how this could easily come about.  you have not sent over thousands of missionaries to do dawa, you have sent over millions of people to live here.  very effective, especially as they are breeding like rabbits.  it is colonialism without a shot being fired.  jihad is not just about fighting, as muslims tirelessly tell me.  there is more than one way to take over, and the muslims have found a brilliant way.  the rules are being subtly changed to suit the muslims, and of course this is just the start Tell me Freddy, with all that 'oil money' they've got, why hasn't this been the case?? Why doesn't the UAE have more nukes than anybody, by now?? Why aren't they stationing branches of their burgeoning military all over the world, (like the US), to protect their 'interests'? Why aren't they launching their own satellites into space, so they can keep track of, and subsequently control the movements of everybody on the planet?but the oil money is being spent, with great largesse, and to great effect.  not only to fund the hyper luxurious life-style enjoyed by the wahabi fat-boys of the house of saud.  it is also being used to fund the building of mosques all over the west, islamic centres and to fund departments in universities to promote islam You say they want to take over Israel, well goodness gracious, why haven't they done it, then?as you may recall, when they were really going for it militarily, in '48, '56, '67 and '73, they failed miserably.  but they have not stopped going for it.  there are other ways and means.  like propaganda to get the sympathy of the world.  this is proving to be far more effective.  the western media just loves a poor wee victim, and the muslims have proved themselves more than adept in the role.  you only have to read the hamas charter which categorically states that the aim is the obliteration of israel.  ahmadinejad likewise For that matter, why aren't they getting busy on their 'Star Wars' program, and getting those heavy duty lasers installed up there in orbit, so they can easily take out any who oppose them, with the push of a button, from space? I mean really, if their plan is to 'take over the world', then I'd say they need to apply themselves to it, a bit more...no no, no point in them wasting money on star wars...

Please Freddie, do wake up and smell the gunpowder...well my nostrils were full of the smell of gunpowder last night, as we had "guy fawkes" night and the whole city was ablaze with exploding fireworks for 4 solid hours.  it is not the gunpowder we need to be smelling

I think it's clear who has the larger agenda here.well im certainly clear on the matter.....

http://www.jewwatch.com/

oh dear kirilova, i think this just says it all about you.  i have seen this site before:

"Frank Weltner, M.A. English & Certified Librarian"

ah yes, those "certified librarians"!!!!!

http://www.thedailystar.net/2006/11/09/d61109014325.htm

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3325788,00.html

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-11/08/content_728156.htm

http://www.examiner.com/a-386877~Hamas_Leader_Says_Israel_Truce_Is_Over.html

No time to log in. I'll be back soon.

Kirilova

The Israelis know better than to shoot the innocent women whose skirts Palestinian gunmen hide behind. The entire shootout should have been called off after the gunmen hid in the mosque. I wonder why they ran in the mosque in the first place? I suppose they wanted to thank Allah for their successful rocket attacks on the Israeli villages. Surely they wouldn't be using the sanctity of a mosque for purely strategic purposes. Muslims would never do that.

Salaams

BB

Why would Moslem warriors hide behind women's veils & skirts? Another Zionist slander.

best regards

OTT.

I reply to all your posts.

Regarding the hell the western occupiers brought to Afghanistan, the US lead invasion had repeated the same stages of the previous Soviet invasion, as the all Russian generals confirm this actually, among the other political analysists and observers. The truth is that the Taliban control more than 9O % of the territory and are in the outskirts of Kabul; as the Bulgarian mercenaries who occupy the airport of Kabul say to experience often attacks. 

More, all the serious media, including the mainstream ones don't hide any more that the Afghan population is supporting the Resistance and is very hostile to the foreign invaders.

For this reason the France has decided to pull out its 200 elite commandos, fighting in the frame of the US " Enduring freedom" in Southern Afghanistan. The news is in all the French media, although not confirmed officially, as the French Defense Minister, Mrs. Aliot-Marie refused to elaborate for the media about these lacks. It's expected that the Frenchees will eat their Christmas turkeys in France, while the **** US troops will continue rumbling the Afghan mountains.

The French are enough clever to understand that the modern colonial wars are over. However France has lots of colonial experience, while the US haven't such, except the genocide of the Indians and the slavery of the Blacks. But the US haven't the slightest idea about the Islamic culture and the Middle East colonialism. That's why the US lost in the Middle East in the both frames, that of the military occupation and that of the propaganda war. The US will pull out soon and have no credibility in the Middle East.

Regarding the latest Israeli massacres in Gaza, they confirm that Israeli is a terror and a fascist state, which has lost the entire credibility. If the Palestinians are so "dangerous" why they are always the victims? If they had weapons, why they didn't destroy the Israeli military planes and tanks? It's understandable that the poor women tried to protect their defenders. The Israeli troops came to massacre and obliterate the Palestinians, to kill the people and blaze their homes; the Palestinians resisted as they could. 

The international community doesn't believe the Israeli propaganda at all.

kirilova again:

"The French are enough clever to understand that the modern colonial wars are over.yes, those clever french.... too bad they dont seem to realise they are being colonised themselves- in a hundred years, if the present demographic trends continue, they will be a muslim country... However France has lots of colonial experience, while the US haven't such, except the genocide of the Indians and the slavery of the Blacks. But the US haven't the slightest idea about the Islamic culture and the Middle East colonialism.well if their only experience is genocide and the slavery of the blacks, then that would surely give them a very good understanding of at least part of islamic culture, since these are also hallmarks of islamic culture.... That's why the US lost in the Middle East in the both frames, that of the military occupation and that of the propaganda war. The US will pull out soon and have no credibility in the Middle East."kirilova, since when did the usa ever have any credibility in the middle east, among the muslims and their fellow-travellers, such as yourself?

"If they had weapons, why they didn't destroy the Israeli military planes and tanks?"  - are you now trying to claim that the so-called palestinians have no weapons??

Protecting your home is the duty of both men and women.

Why do you find it wrong for wives to protect their husbands, for a mother to protect her son, for a sister to protect her brother?

The Palestinians will defend themselves as a people, they will not be restrain by gender bias!

answer honestly.

The women had no guns. The men in the mosque did. How can the women protect them?

Do you think the women were hoping to capitalize on the Israeli reluctance to kill unarmed women, and use themselves as human shields? Answer this!

The plan seemed to have worked for the most part. 2 dozen militants were able to escape. Why do you think it worked? Do you think the Israelis lacked the fire power to mow down everyone who walked out of that mosque?

Do you think that if the Israelis or Americans brought their civilian wives into combat with them that it would be effective in detering militant attacks?

BB

The women did what they have to do. They helped their husbands, brothers, sons, to escape from the enemy. And thankfully, they succedded.

And it's not like the women were force to march to the mosque at gunpoint right?

Do you expect your mother to abandon you in your darkest hour?

Do you think that if the Israelis or Americans brought their civilian wives into combat with them that it would be effective in detering militant attacks?

Yes. Don't female citizens of Israel and the US serve in the military as well?

If u.s. women were brave enough to face enemy tanks, planes, like the  unarmed Palestine and Iraq women do on a daily bases , the u.s. women would be right up there with the rest of the phoney u.s. heroes like jessica lynch.

But that's ok..The u.s. lost in Iraq and Afghan. Not the hot shots they thought they were.

You avoided both my questions

I was asking about the logic behind the actions of the women. You have to admit that they indeed did capitalize on the Israeli reluctance to kill unarmed women. That is the ONLY reason you would put unarmed women in FRONT of armed men. In fact you must also admit that the militants took up positions in the Mosque because they know very well the Israelis want to avoid damaging mosques.

You also avoided my second question. I specifically said CIVILIAN wives!

please try not to be so evasive in an honest discussion.

Salaams

BB

I was asking about the logic behind the actions of the women.

The women were preventing the Israeli soldiers from getting to their men.

You have to admit that they indeed did capitalize on the Israeli reluctance to kill unarmed women.

What reluctance? Unarmed women have been shot before. Unarmed school girls have been shot before. Pregnant women have been victimized before too.

... the militants took up positions in the Mosque because they know very well the Israelis want to avoid damaging mosques.

The Israelis had their tank and armoured vehicles on stand by. Do you think they are intending avoid damaging the mosque? Besides, mosques have been destroyed and vandalised before too.

Have to agree with Multisync on the likely outcome had it been Israeli Women covering Israeli Settlers. A total bloodbath seems to be where that one would have ended up.

In this case the Muslims playing on the fact that Israelis are highly restrained and world opinion is a protection use a Mosque to hole up (a breach of  Geneva conventions) and then call in women to surround them (another breach).

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www.islam-watch.org

Jewish terrorists and their armchair supporters are so shameless in their deceit its embarassing. Every time Israeli murderers kills civilians, its the same excuse, somebody is hiding behind somebody etc etc etc. Just keep repeating the lies ZioNazis, it'll do you no good. 

There is something wrong with the psychology and behaviour of the Israelis. I don't think they can win people and friends by rolling in tanks and armoured carriers with an air cover before moving in to face unarmed civilians.

If you read the entire Jewish Holy Scriptures, there is nothing mentioned about having a dialogue with others!

Best Regards

BMZ

I'd really love to see how Americans would behave, if their country, homes and families were placed in a similar situation!

Not only am I sure that, just like the Iraqis, they would form private militias to combat, querilla style, the the more heavily armed 'invaders' and 'occupiers' of their country, they would also very likely be ducking into private homes and buildings, (where fellow and probably 'sympathizing' citizens work and live), whenever they found themselves under fire they couldn't handle...In fact, they'd probably just commandeer all such places, whenever they had need of them, and 'enlist' whoever happened to be around, to help them fight...Don't you think they'd be 'conscripting' all the 15 year old boys to fight? (and perhaps the girls too) Americans need to wake up and realize they really are not so much different than anyone else...and likewise, other human beings are really not any different than they would be, in a similar situation...

Didn't the Americans actually coin the term 'collateral damage', in fact?

"I'd really love to see how Americans would behave, if their country, homes and families were placed in a similar situation!"

THEY WOULD BE BEHAVING EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. RIGHT NOW, THEY LET THIS HAPPEN AND DO IT IN OTHERS' LANDS.

BMZ

THEY WOULD BE BEHAVING EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. RIGHT NOW, THEY LET THIS HAPPEN AND DO IT IN OTHERS' LANDS.

 I agree with you BMZ. I am surprize to see who tolerance other countries are, because they are the ones that is being constantly threaten by the thieves in the U.S. and Europe. On the other hand, when the U.S. is being attacked one time for their occupation of other lands, everyone became paronoids and crazy. On attack causes the thieves to start making people disappeared, the torturing habits increase significantly. The rape, the murders, the kidnapping, and the destructions of other people's property increase greatly. I personally think the thieves in the U.S. are a lot craziers and more paronoid than any other human beings. This is their nature. We just have to learn how to deal with them, I guess.

Of course, if Bush has his way, this is probably EXACTLY the situation we will find ourselves in. I hope you're all ready for it....

So keep on stirring that 'war pot', Georgie! Sure, we all just LOVE to live in a 'war zone'! Dam dummies. Do you really think it's not going to come back around??

Oh, and not meaning to call songyang and BMZ 'dummies' (and you know I'm really getting mad, when I start cursing...sorry. I've been trying to break the American habit of 'a curse word in every sentence', but every once in awhile, I let one slip...), just those dummies who think perpetuating war and killing is a good idea...

... they knew the Israelis wouldn't fire at unarmed civilians

That's odd! Last time I check, there were scores civilians who have deliberately been shot dead!

You really think the women were confident the Israelis won't shoot at them?

Like I said, women and girls ave been killed by the IOF before.

The Israelis began to fire only after they saw gunmen wearing veils and hiding among women.

What gunmen? We have all seen news footage of the event, there were no gunmen among the women. On a BBC report, I saw dead women on the street, I even saw an injured men but he wasn't dress as a women and neither was he armed.

Spoken like a true Fascist!

The Zionists war criminals are fascists. Even the CIA was created by many former top nazi officials. This was revealed recently by archives which were made public.

The horor is that the Israeli massacres go on in Plalestine.

http://www.dispatch.com/national-story.php?story=dispatch/2006/11/09/20061109-A3-01.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6131878.stm

These blind mass assassinations defy the common sense to the point that the normal Jews object.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-11-09T112959Z_01_L09876192_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-ISRAEL-REACTION.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C5-worldNews-6

The Zionists are carrying out crimes against the Humanity.

My best regards.

Kirilova

Exactly the Zionism is a criminal ideology that has nothing to do with the Judaism.

The Zionists don't want peace, they concoct all the time the extermination of the Palestinians. Recently they edited a new "soft" version about the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, planning to deport one million of Palestinians to the new Zionists' colonies like Bulgaria.

http://www.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2006-11-08&article=1687

However none asked the opinion of the Palestinian people. Will they accept to be declined to forcible deportation?  Will they abandon so easily their native lands?

As for the Bulgarians, they are tolerant; it's the only state  in Europe that didn't deport the Jews during the WWII. Actually it's the shelter of scores of Palestinian refugees. The Zionist masters of modern Bulgaria rob and blackmail its population. You see my previous post about the robbery of "Balkan".  Bulgaria started to resemble to Palestine, as the both nations have the same colonizers.

Best wishes.

Kirilova

The Zionists have ravaged all the nations and all the states they stepped in.

The bolshevik assassins were almost ALL ZIONISTS. It's known for the easterners who suffered the communist/Zionist genocide in the 20 th century.

The great Russian writer and a Nobel Prize Alexander Solzhenytsin broke the taboo covering the Zionists crimes in the communist East.

If you study the history of the last two centuries, you will see that all the genocides, all the wars, all the "revolutions", all the crimes against the Humanity, all the financial deficits, all the anti- human ideologies were made by one and the same criminal "elite".

http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0%2C881985%2C00.html#top

The founder of the Zionist ideology Moses Hess was the master of Karl Marx. The Marxism appeared, because the Zionists needed it.

Now the Zionists created the same bolshevik hell in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and the other colonized states.  That's why the  American Gulag is a  copy  of the  Soviet Gulag, because  the both  totalitarianism have the same  Zionist masters.

Now read about the role of the Zionists in the Holocaust.

http://www.cyonic-nemeton.com/Zionism.html

The link about the Zionists' involvement with the bollsheviks' crimes is:

http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0%2C%2C881985%2C00.html#top

No strange that the Russian nazi Jew Lieberman plans to carry out the same genocide as the communists did in Russia. The Zionists have already "good" experience with blooding 50 millions of people in Russia. Now they will apply the bloody experience in Palestine. 

Kirilova