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German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Sep 28, 2006 7:45 AM
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German officials and Muslim leaders on Wednesday, September 27, issued a joint call supporting the staging of a controversial opera featuring the severed heads of the Prophets Muhammad and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon them) after it was cancelled over fears of offending Muslim sentiments. What truly makes these Muslim leaders take part in calling for the staging of a cancelled opera that offends the great prophets of God, Muhammad and Jesus (Peace be upon them)?! Is it merely a political stance?.. If so, what actually are the incentives? How do you read such a stance in all respects?
Read The whole story on IslamOnline: German Muslims Support Controversial Opera
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Sep 28, 2006 9:56 AM
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Just some additional facts: The opera is Mozart's Idomeneo. It tells the story of the acient greek king idomeneo who has to sacrifice his son for the will of the gods, after he returned from the trojan war. This opera had its debut perforamnce in 1781 (!!). It is a general critizism on religious dogmas.
The actual arrangement contains a symbolic decapitation of the founder of the major religions: Buddha (he was forgotten in the article of IOL, wonder why?), Jesus, Mohammed and was first performed in 2003.
The director of the German Opera Berlin kicked the opera out of the repertoire. Reason: The Federal Criminal Police Office cathegorized the opera as a possible cause for violence from fundamentalist muslims. There hasn't been any statements by the christian, buddhist or muslim officials since the first performance in 2003 until this unique act of self-censorship.
This act of self-censorship provoced a wide range of public protest mainly because the last time the German Opera Berlin has been censored by Hitler during the 3rd Reich. Since then, freedom of art and freedom of expression are high valued goods in the German public, which - under no circumstances - should be victim of censorship.
The muslim leaders in Germany support these basic values for their own sake, because a censorship that strikes those high values would certainly also strike religious freedom was well. And after all, no representative of the three religions (Buddhism, Christianity, Islam) felt offended eversince the opera was performed (almost 225 years).
The IOL article, however, is one sided. It lists a number of singular cases that create a wrong picture of the German dicourse in that matter.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 1, 2006 8:52 AM
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First of all, thanks for your reply. I have already passed by the facts you mentioned in your post two days or so after the problem came in the news. I agree with you of course when it comes to the artistic freedom and freedom of speech, that's because Islam truly calls for such freedoms, BUT without slipping in the gulf of insults and calling names. The problem here is that we always think of the word freedom without seeing the different aspects it should include. Freedom does imply respect and consideration in terms of highly appreciated human concepts. prophets of God should not be a subject matter of satire and ridicule. They must be respected as messengers of God sent to people to get them out of darkness and free them from the bondage of ignorance and barbarism. There should be a kind of internal censorship, not that one that comes out of fear of violence or else. Thank you.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 2, 2006 11:22 AM
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I understand your point of view concerning unnecessary insultments.
Actually, I forgot to mention that the opera shows the heads of Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed AND Poseidon (ancient greek god of the sea). Jet, nobody stand up for him as this religion is out of fashion for about 1900 years now.
To my point of view, this opera doesn't intent to insult anybody. However, I concede that the opera is critical on the whole issue of dogmatism in religions and what resulted from it. That, I assume, isn't easy to handle for people of the respective faith which has been critizised. However, it is crucial to acknowledge other opinions without feeling insulted. It is crucial to accept the right to question religion. Questioning religion is an offer of dialogue. Insulting religious feelings is certainly not an offer to dialogue. This is the narrow but important difference.
If the artist intends to change his legitimate way of expression, than so it may be. But by now, the director put it of the repertoie because she felt threatened. That is by all means inacceptable!! Nobody should fear threat to his life when expressing his/her opinion.
As everybody have this unquestionable right to express his/her opinion, people are invited to react. Challenge the opinion of the artist in dialogue or by setting up another opera which questions the absense of religion in post-modern societies, but - for the sake of the freedom of religion - do not cut this fundamental freedom.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 4, 2006 12:53 PM
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HI, The present era full with insultations in the name of "FREEDOM" is undountedly very rear. People are not longer adhere and endoured a comprehensive respect to their religion. This is crusial moment of our lives. But we should keep in mind that we are did not created ourselves, we were created by God. So, let's us limit our tongue on expression ofensive ideas that result in to violance. But the questions here is that " Why christian always use this ofensive and insultive ideology towars Muslims and their beloved Prophet?" Never in the Islamic or human history in general where a Muslim Design or criticises Jesus Christ (Peace be upon Him). Christian should put this into consideration. Islam values the entire Prophets of God sent to manking for guideance. A word is certainly enough for the wise!! Best regards Bashir
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 5, 2006 4:06 AM
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dude,
just short: before the "west" started to critize islam (or at least before muslims started to notice that critizsm) we also critizised christianity. you know this guy called martin luther? this fellow critizised the catholic church so harsh that he opened up a new confession.
and until today, there is just no reason for us why we should stop critizising religion or those who thing they act on behalf of a religion. there has been too much horrible things in human history commited by those who thought they act on behalf of an almighty creator.
do you think, your creator, whatever you believe in, is so vain that he cannot stand critizism of his own creation? do you really thing such a creator, able of doing just everything (if you believe in religious dogmas), would become angry in the face of critizism or in the face of anything at all? Or is it just people that become angry (caused by their uncontrolled emotions) when somebody questions their religious beliefs?
Btw. The catholic church, e.g., has been target for critical theaters, satires, etc. for years now. But i've never seen vatican people burning flags or shooting artists.
Religious dogmatis and the inability to accept critizism is the first step towards unreflected obedience and violence against manking. That is an insight wich is not just applicable on religions (wether muslim, christian, buddhist, or whatever) but on every case in which someone domiates other opinions by claiming he is superiour or speaks in the mane of the one and only religion.
again, it was not just the head of muhammat, but also jesus, buddha and poseidon, which in contrast to muhammat, jesus and buddha is an actual god, not just a messenger. but again, no ancient greek ever complained about the lapooning of the god of the sea 
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 1, 2006 1:39 AM
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Itīs important to note that the cancelling of the opera was announced two days before a muslim conference in Germany, in which muslim leaders and german politician were discussing about integration. Ayman Mazyek, speaking for the Muslims in Germany approved the cancelling, but later on he had to see that every important political leader, no matter what party, was upset by this. Even german Chancellor Merkel called it "unbearable". Facing such a broad resistance the Muslim leaders changed their minds within few hours. At the conference they said they approved the continuing of the opera and thea also planned th watch it on stage. I bet, it ayman mazyek comed out of the opera being asked about it he will say "O I really enjoyed it". After the attacks on pope Benedikt the polls show that voters approve a stricter handling against muslims in Germany.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 1, 2006 2:01 AM
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AddOn: The boss of the biggest party in Germany called the Islam being the main cause for religious motivated violence in the world. He was warning of "unvisible fanatism". Burning flags and masses in rage are only a little part of the while thing. Moreover he said it is an insult to him if muslims call him an "unbeliever". This is a danger for the dialogue. The leading Member of Parliament Bosbach agreed and added, that dialogue should also deal with islamism and religious fanatism. There shouldnīt be any taboos. This was on 30 - 9 - 06, and no german politician spoke against it yet. They all know the polls. And one more thing: The director of the German Opera, who fooled the german muslims, has asked for safety measures, if she should continue staging Idomeneo (yes, sheīs a woman). Today itīs always a little bit difficult to make an opera, which is 200 years old, interresting and newsworthy. But she managed to do that and even much more than that! Idomeneo never was so meaningful than today! Probably the coup of her life. Gratulations!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 2, 2006 11:41 AM
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"featuring the severed heads of the Prophets Muhammad and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon them" ------- you mean, of course, the heads of the so-called "prophet" muhammad and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. also, why did you miss out the head of buddha? (and the 4th head, i forget whose it was) in answer to your question, who knows? i hardly think it is because the german muslims have decided that "free speech" is the best way after all. they are muslims. that would be too much to hope for
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 2, 2006 12:19 PM
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alright, that is what i meant by unnecessary insultment. i'm afraid, that prevents us from really explaining each others opinion.
c'mon freddy, you don't have to assimilate to the intellectual level of nosrul, songyang&co.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 3, 2006 1:32 PM
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Salam here! yah it was also very upseting dat de CDU governer of germany even allowed that!And since he has won the election its just gona make the life of muslims harder in germany! just wanted to knw!Was this news all over or just in germany?Cuz i found out this on de internet taht it was supposed to show up in berlin with 100s of police men guarding!Making this a legal attempt So can anyone plz tell me if it was all over on the news!!??
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 8, 2006 5:59 AM
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nobody insulting anybody, get that straight! you wouldn't even have noticed about that opera, if not spreat by the yellow press.
btw. there has been an incident in stockholm where the israeli ambassador tried to destroy a piece of art that focussed on the suicide bombing of palistinians. he considered that art as anti-semit. though, he obviously forgot that is piece of art was made by an israeli artist who wnated to focus public attention on the suffering of the palistinians.
in the end, the exebition wasn't closed. just one counter-example to your hypothesis.
and hoestly, does any of those rioting, truth-gifted West-haters just have the slightest idea about the countries they rioting? i case on denmark, i'm quite sure most of them didn't even know about denmark's existence, nor do they have the slightest idea about cultural facettes as satire, critizism in theater or academical speeches.
these people, who thankfully take out quotations from its content or radicalize the message of satirical drawings and transmit them to the middle east, are the cause of that fake trouble. they know, if the people are rioting against something they don't understand and what is far away, not just in terms of distance but also in terms of development,.. they know that these people do not riot against their own government. even though i don't like that book too much, such riots reminds me of the prolls riots in orwell's 1984. a mass of totally manipulatable, uneducated people. control their hate and you govern them. since these regions are overwhemlingly resistant towards self-critizism, nobody recognizes their manipulation.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 9, 2006 1:25 AM
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my dear 'smasher',
you still did not understand the difference of art and lampooning, right?
your angry fellows didn't care about the opera which is on stage until 2003.
why now?
re-read my last post that exemplifies the 'lampooning of israel'.
it's all about political art and nobody is going to fall on their knees
before angry israelis or muslims (or -in your case- angry drug edicts).
'smasher', sweetheart, it seems you're quite experienced with medication
overdoses, so tell me more!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 9, 2006 3:11 AM
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Your statement is idioticē!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 11, 2006 6:50 PM
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Smasher,
Why is there always one person who contributes unhelpful and antagonistic comments in these forums which are all about peaceful and hopefully intelligent discussion?
Are you really reading what is written or do you just want an outlet to vent your anger? You are not doing our community a favour by acting in this way. Your comments on the Jack Straw debate are a prime example of what not to do when trying to dialogue. The person you were arguing with just became worse when you started returning his insults. Manfred on the other hand is not being insulting, he just wants to discuss.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 11, 2006 7:09 PM
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Hi Manfred,
Violent behaviour in response to things such as the cartoons and this opera are not acceptable, but I do think it's reasonable for people from any of the religious groups to protest peacefully when they feel that those they hold dear to themselves are being insulted. The problem is that most people will not be able to discern between insult and satire. I think this issue is different from the cartoons uproar because it doesn't really appear to be a specific insult on our Prophet or Islam, but this is something that will be missed by people when they see or hear about images of the decapitated head. There is a lot of anger towards Western governments in the muslim world and much of it is justified, when these issues come up, I think they just become an excuse or outlet for people to vent their hurt, frustration and unfortunately their rage. But I don't think they are necessarily raging about the cartoons or the opera, they just become the tip of the iceberg. Which upon rereading your post , I think you are saying anyway. So we agree! But you know, as an ex art-school student, I think a lot of the worlds poulation just don't get it when it comes to satire, criticism through art etc. It's a language in itself sometimes and a lot of the world are just too busy trying to feed themselves, to be able to even consider such things.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 12, 2006 3:44 AM
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hi latifa,
thanks for your reply.
you said, that there is a lot of anger about western governments in the muslim world.
what kind of anger is that? what is the target of the anger? is it a general anger on the west? or do people distinguish between different countries/governments? do people distinguish at all or do they receive the west as ONE unit? i would love to know more about the facets of critizisms on the west, how elaborated that critizism is, and on which sources it is based.
the reason why i'm asking is, that there is a huge gap of available information between the west and the middle east, meaning not only the one sidedness of information but also a preselection (on both sides). as a result, misconceptions and ignorance, supported by one sided media, lead to hate on both sides.
a certain inability to listen to the other is visible in the west, that is why i came to IOL in the first place. ok, i noticed that a certain inability to listen to the others opinion is also common within the muslim world. however, there must be a way to overcome this lack of information and understanding.
meaning, a critical opera or a cartoon cannot be the only thing people see from the west and vice versa: exploding palestines, irakis and airplanes cannot be the only thing people see from the muslim world.
cheers!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 12, 2006 6:30 AM
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Hi Manfred,
You said
what kind of anger is that? what is the target of the anger? is it a general anger on the west? or do people distinguish between different countries/governments? do people distinguish at all or do they receive the west as ONE unit? i would love to know more about the facets of critizisms on the west, how elaborated that critizism is, and on which sources it is based.
Firstly I want to say that I am not located in the Muslim world and I also don't speak Arabic much of the Muslim worlds media is not accessable to me. The AlJazeera English website is about as close as I get to seeing how the 'other side' presents current affairs. But at the same time, I am part of a Muslim community in a Western country. Most of the Muslims I know have their roots in the Muslim world and I am married to an Arabic man. So this has given me an understanding of the resentment people have for Western governments and the way they have exploited and controlled their lands. This is not a new phenomenon, but I think goes back to the days of Colonialism. Recent events in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. have just added fuel to the fire. I'm sure you know the politics of all this.
I think the way people understand the West depends upon their level of education and exposure. If some people see the west as a homogenous block, then it is pobably because they haven't had a chance or haven't wanted to find out that it is not. People out of ignorance, view the Muslim world in the same way.
Probably someone else can answer your question better, someone who is actually based in the Muslim world and has access to their media.
I do know how differently things are reported just through seeing the footage on AlJazeera of the recent bombing of Lebabnon by Israel. i couldn't understand what was being said but the images spoke for themselves. Yes, the is media manipulation on both sides, but when it comes to blanket bombing of civilians, manipulation of media isn't needed. Nothing i saw on AlJazeera was shown on the media in my country.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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hi latifa,
interessting! hope, to read from somebody that actually is from this area.
but then, for me it is also highly interessting to know more about wetsern muslim perception of their host countries, meaning are their views on their host society tremendously different from the host population's view. what is it, that makes the supposed difference? is there such a self-perception of wetsern muslims and are there thendencies to shape an own identity with all consequences, e.g. political activities (forming parties etc.)?
would you describe the western muslim criticism on the west as a anti-system criticism or would you locate this criticism within the system?
Thanks for your insights!
ps. last question concerning your remarks on irak and afghanistan. do you see both cases as equal types of intervention and legitimacy?
salaam!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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I am located in Australia. Here, I think there is a difference between the perception of first generation Muslim migrants and their children who have much more insight into the culture of the country they are living in. Again, I think education is the key. Disadvantaged Muslim youth are far more likely to seperate themselves from the mainstream society and feel antagonistic towards it. There are different levels of seperation. One is a reaction against the dominant culture, I think this occurs when people are marginalized, another is a choice to not identify with aspects of the culture that don't fit with the religion.i.e Aussie beer guzzling! But it is not a blanket seperation. I am a convert, so I am a product of Australian culture and I will never be divorced from it completely,nor do I feel that I need to be. For me I can quite easily be Australian and Muslim. But I disagree adamantly with my country's foreign policy, but then I always voted for the other political party even before I was a Muslim!
So I think probably second generation Aus Muslims probably see themselves as Western Muslims, and most will still identify with their original ethnicity, they don't have to be one or the other.
As for me sometimes I feel like I'm on a bridge between two cultures, with a foot on both sides! It's not an uncomfortable feeling! What's important to me is to feel close to God, and it is Islam that has enabled this to happen for me, not belonging to the East or the West!
InshaAllah I'll answer your questions tomorrow, eyes are getting blurry!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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thanks so far for your insights! really interessting!
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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sorry, my posts are always staggered due to sleeping babies waking up and being put back to bed! sorry about the typing mistakes also, I'm too lazy to go back and edit! I just wanted to add that, the muslim communities i know in my country are of course able to discern between governments and people. i.e most people hate Bush, but don't blanketly hate Americans.
I have to say that while people in both worlds are manipulated to think the worst of the other, the injustices are occurring in the Muslim world and being carried out by Western governments in league with puppet regimes in Muslim lands. As long as this happens and as long as Western populations are kept in denial about what is really happening, the resentment will only grow.
Educating people about how to understand opera and satire really does come secondary to making sure they have food to feed their kids. The innapropriate responses by raging Muslims however is something we need to target in our communities.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 12, 2006 7:00 AM
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"Educating people about how to understand opera and satire really does come secondary to making sure they have food to feed their kids."
Good point! A famous German writer, Berthold Brecht, once sait:
"Frist give me food, then you get morality."
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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True words! Was it Brecht who used to try and alienate his audience, make them feel uncomfortable by getting the cast to shout at them etc.? Maybe I'm getting confused with someone else.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Yes, that was Brecht. Verfremdungsteater... I suppose it could be translated to 'theater of alienation'. I think the idea being that theater should not aspire for realism, but should expose itself as art, artificial.
Brecht wrote some great plays, Dreigroschenoper being the most well known... Featuring the music of Kurt Weill. Wonderful stuff.
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MACK THE KNIFE
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indeed great music. the dreigroschenoper was also translated into english and should be available. the most popular song was recently covered even by robbie williams (never thought that this name would appear in this forum):
mack the knife
here in a beautiful version by ol' blue eye frank sinatra
Writer(s): weill/brecht/blitzstein
Oh, the shark has pretty teeth dear
And he shows em, pearly white
Just a jack knife has macheath dear
And he keeps it way out of sight
When that shark bites with his teeth, dear
Scarlet billows begin to spread
Fancy gloves though has macheath dear
So theres never, never a trace of red
On the sidewalk, one sunday morning
Lies a body, oozin life
Someones sneaking round the corner
Could that someone be mack the knife
From a tugboat, on the river going slow
A cement bag is dropping on down
You know that cement is for the weight dear
You can make a large bet mackies back in town
My man louis miller, he split the scene babe
After drawing out all the bread from his stash
Now macheath spends like a sailor
Do you suppose our boy, hes done something rash
Old satchmo, louis armstrong, bobby darrin
Did this song nice, lady ella too
They all sang it, with so much feeling
That old blue eyes, he aint gonna add nothing new
But with this big band, jumping behind me
Swinging hard, jack, I now I cant lose
When I tell you, all about mack the knife babe
Its an offer, you can never refuse
We got patrick williams, bill miller playing that piano
And this great big band, bringing up the rear
All the band cats, in this band now
They make the greatest sounds, youre ever gonna hear
Oh sookie taudry, jenny diver, polly peachum, old miss lulu brown
Hey the line forms, on the right dear
Now that macheaths back in town
Youd better lock your doors, and call the law
Because macheaths back in town
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Maybe you think of Peter Handke who wrote a .. letīs say a "text" titled "Publikumsbeschimpfung" / "Insulting the Audience", Itīs for one actor and has provoked a scandal . Today itīs a classic, although nobody is interested in it any more.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 13, 2006 5:42 PM
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Where is the point here? Is Jesus told you to call him Lord?
Have at least some respect for those holy prophets of Allah. If there could be much respect, love, you cann't pretend to be much respectful, and loving to the Prophet Isua(in the original Hebrew not Jesus)PBUH than a muslim...Look around and think for yourself who does what that Migthy prophet Isua (Issa) did? You cann't even raise up and defend your voice while people are making moskery of him...The muslim is that kind of people whose heart is filled with Hyprocrysie. How amazing is that even those around him (Issa PBUH) denied being with him even though he told them properly.
Every prophet is an honored man. You cann't go on like.
It was a "Turkey representative member" who claim to follow the western way of life, democracy. But your freedom stops where my startes.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 15, 2006 2:13 AM
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mousmanou
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aha, otherīs freedom stops where your freedom starts. Or the other way round? No one stops your freedom, but the cultural freedom in germany is not limited. by nobody. At home in your country you can do what you want, beat your women kill yourself and burn whatever you want. It the "german muslims" - sorry I mean "the muslims in Germany" donīt like that then it is the wrong country for them. Maybe they should choose another country, the world is big and thereīs space for everyone.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 15, 2006 12:28 PM
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you are so right that unneccessary insultments are stupid. They are as stupid as blind rage, hate, and violence.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 15, 2006 1:32 PM
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Let's face it....the Opera was cancelled because there are Muslims out there that feel that this is a justification for MURDER. It's your religion...deal with it. You know what the rest of the world thinks. And I don't mean Muslim beliefs, dogma, taboos, whatever. I mean actual actions. Look what happened to Van Gogh.
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Re: German Muslims Back Offensive Opera.. Why?!
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Oct 16, 2006 1:32 AM
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gellero
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and you will see, nobody will care about offesive depictation of the pope.
for all muslims that think Europe only insults islam.
here is an example for satire on the pope:
http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/1014papstprovoziert.jpg
(its from the leading satire journal in Germany TITANIC)
The journal has manipulated a pope's picture by making him wear an jewish orthodox beard.
The undertitle sais:
"before the turkey visit:
Pope is provoking again"
and in the speech balloon:
"shalom, goat *** "
staire isn't biased. It targets always equally.
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