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Thread: Elections: Your Definition?
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Elections: Your Definition?
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Oct 27, 2009 5:59 AM
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"Elections" I have heard this word more than my breaths in the last decade. the word that is proved to differ from one place to another and from time to time in our mad life. Would you please tell me the first thing that comes to your mind whenever you hear this word "election" especially if you connect it to one of these countries USA, Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, Turkey, Israel, Brazil and feel free to add any country.
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Oct 27, 2009 8:11 PM
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RagbTAR
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Well, an ’election’ in China means what happens after taking Viagra”!~
Jokes aside though, election means which side had the most money or the choice by the most powerful lobbyist winning --- which of course is the same thing.
But then again : “I don’t care who votes’ -- the ONLY one who matters is the one who counts the votes” LOL
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Oct 27, 2009 8:16 PM
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RagbTAR
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As-Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh:
Quotations about elections:
Charley Reese, quotes about Election:
Unless they can pass the same test that immigrants must pass to become citizens, people shouldn't be allowed to vote. The idea that there is some public benefit in ignoramuses and morons pulling levers next to names on a ballot is one of the evil myths of post-modern America. The purpose of voting, in our country, is to select men and women with the competence and integrity to operate the mechanics of government fixed by our Constitution. For this process to have any public benefit requires that the choices be made on an intelligent, knowledgeable and reasoned basis.
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Will Rogers, quotes about Election:
I guess truth can hurt you worse in an election than about anything that can happen to you.
more Will Rogers quotes
George Bernard Shaw, quotes about Election:
Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.
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George Bernard Shaw, quotes about Election:
An election is a moral horror, as bad as a battle except for blood; a mud bath for every soul concerned in it.
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Thomas Sowell, quotes about Election:
The question is not what anybody deserves. The question is who is to take on the God-like role of deciding what everybody else deserves. You can talk about 'social justice' all you want. But what death taxes boil down to is letting politicians take money from widows and orphans to pay for goodies that they will hand out to others, in order to buy votes to get re-elected. That is not social justice or any other kind of justice.
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Thomas Sowell, quotes about Election:
Compassion is the use of public funds to buy votes.
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Josef Stalin, quotes about Election:
Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.
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Sir Alex Fraser Tytler, quotes about Election (Questionable):
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.... The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from great courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again to bondage.
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Woodrow Wilson, quotes about Election:
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world.
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Bill Clinton, Election quotes:
There's just no such thing as truth when it comes to him. He just says whatever sounds good and worries about it after the election.
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Benjamin Franklin, Election quotes:
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
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Benjamin Franklin, Election quotes:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
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"A great industrial Nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our
system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our
activities are in the hands of a few men. ...
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a
Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and
vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of
small groups of dominant men".
(Just before he died, Wilson is reported to have stated to friends that
he had been "deceived" and that "I have betrayed my Country". He
referred to the Federal Reserve Act passed during his Presidency.)
by:
Woodrow Wilson
(1856-1924) 28th US President
Source:
taken from an essay by Sheldon Emry, Billions for the Bankers, Debt for the People
Thomas Jefferson, Election quotes:
I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. And to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessities and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes; have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our land-holders, too, like theirs, retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs but held really in trust for the treasury, must wander, like theirs, in foreign countries, and be contented with penury, obscurity, exile, and the glory of the nation. This example reads to us the salutary lesson, that private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagances. And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for the second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of the society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering. Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia, which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse on this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.
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Was-Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 3, 2009 6:25 PM
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RagbTAR
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USA, Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, I don't know enough about the politics of the other nations to give an opinion. But these 4 connected to the word "election"... the first term that comes to my head is "unfair". The second "undemocratic". For USA, I say this because it has really only 2 parties that actually have a shot (since the others simply don't get to have the budget needed to campaign and are practically "silenced" by the big 2). I also say this because a fundamental right of a democracy is that ANYONE should have a fair chance of participating. Reality is however, that you won't be doing so unless you are a rich *******. A third reason is the very obscure non-separation of church and state. Any would-be presidential candidate who doesn't use the word "god" 50 times in every speech wouldn't be a would-be presidential candidate very long... The other countries... yeah well, not much to say really, lol. Iran - a total rape of separation of church and state, wich allready puts a big black hole in the middle of fair elections. Then we have the religious police off course and the brutal knock down of protests. Palestine and Afghanistan... LOL. 'democratic' politcal parties that have their staff running around in the streets with kalashnikovs and suicide belts. Riiiiiiight.
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 3, 2009 10:52 PM
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RagbTAR
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Elections means Democracy ...
and Democracy is hypocrisy!
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 4, 2009 2:14 AM
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hindii
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Democracy is hypocrisy! Really? What's the relation between the two, other then "it rhymes"?
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 4, 2009 2:19 AM
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hindii
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Why is that Hindii? why democracy is hypocrisy?
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 4, 2009 9:55 PM
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RagbTAR
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Why is that Hindii? why democracy is hypocrisy?
Good question.
My conclusion comes from many factors first is my experience in living in a Democratic country considered one of the most successful and largest Democracies but I know its a myth.Its difficult to find even one politician who has a clean record.I will not even go into the details of human right abuses and police custodial deaths and bias attitude of the government towards the people of the minority community,it will take pages and pages......
Secondly the American mantra of spreading Democracy in Muslim countries has brought such a distaste and aversion to majority of people in Afghanistan and Iraq.That is how dreadful wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were justified.Now are they really spreading democracy or it is all one big smoke screen to perpetuate hypocrisy for the self interest of the leaders?
Look at some allies of the US.
Egypt: Is Egypt a democracy? Hosni Mubarak has been president of Egypt for 28 years now. How many free and open elections did he hold to make Egypt a democracy? Why do the Muslim brotherhood members always end up in jail just before elections?
Israel: The most recent face of Israel was Ehud Olmert. What is his claim to fame? Ordering the slaughter of countless innocent women and children in Lebanon and later Gaza.Does that make him a great democratic figure?
In most of the cases the ignorant masses have no choice but to vote the traitor and the end result is a tyrant.
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 5, 2009 4:55 PM
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hindii
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A country saying or claiming that it is democratic doesn't make it so. There are a lot of fundamental democratic rules wich really aren't respected in the US, Israel and Egypt. Anyhow... can you give me an alternative that is better?
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Re: Elections: Your Definition?
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Nov 4, 2009 10:17 PM
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RagbTAR
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Look at the 2 bit dictator's in Afghan and Pakistan. About as corrupt as they come. They are backed and paid off by the u.s. to billion's of dollar's a year. Pretend democracy. They have not had a REAL election yet. Probally never will as long as the u.s. have any say in it. We must keep our puppet's in power as the u.s. say.
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