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Muslim Contributions To The World
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*** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *** One of my friends on this forums " PERIWINKLE " once wrote that Muslims havent contributed anything to the society . Whatever we have today it is all becoz of westerners .... It was off Topic statement so i didnt responded at that time (It is their usual practice , when they dont have the answer they jump to another topic ) But it was in my mind !!! Dr.Zakir Naik (President IRF )he says , Westerners consider pre 14 Century as Dark age . As it was not advanced in Science and technology ... Since 14 Century westerners worked out and became so advanced ... He gives his rebuttal of his own question . He says it was Dark age for westerners ... it wasnt Dark age for Muslims ... Muslims were well advanced in pre 14th Century ... Most of the work Done by Muslim Scientist have been copied by western scientists and as we all know Media is in their hands and they can make us believe whatever they want to . Islam originated in Mecca (Saudi Arabia) over 1400 years ago and, in less than a century, spread to China, India, Africa, and the borders of France. Muslims established an advanced scientific civilization in the world at a time when the Church in Europe was still debating over whether to consider science a sin or not. Muslims further added to the scientific findings of the Greeks, Indians, and Chinese and continued the journey of scientific discoveries. Islamic view on scientific research is that it should be used to make our lives easier and better while not breaking Gods rules. So, Muslims forbid research that may lead to any kind of destruction or moral dilemmas and Islam does not accept using the female body as commercial material, as is being done in current civilizations. Muslims believe in the coexistence of religion and science. They do not believe that Adams original sin was eating from the Tree of Knowledge; therefore, they have no problem seeking knowledge and advancing in science. LANGUAGE CONTRIBUTIONS: One of the greatest effects that the Arabic language has had on the English language is the borrowing of words. There are over 300 words used in the English language that originated from Arabic, such as: Algebra, Alcohol, sugar, spinach, and cotton. In addition to these words, the number system used in English and many other languages also originated from the Arabic. MONEY USAGE: Muslims are the first known civilization to create the usage of coin money as a government practice and to introduce the Coin Molding Institute as an essential part of governmental structure. PAPER MANUFACTURING: The manufacturing of paper was one of the earliest skills created by Muslims. As early as the 8th Century, high quality paper was being manufactured in Samarkand. Egypt was known to have its first paper mill in the year 900 A.C. The discovery of the earliest Arabic manuscript written on paper is the Gharib Al Hadith by AbuUbayed, dated 837 A.C. It can be seen in Holland where it is preserved in the Library of the University of Leyden. The Bait Al Hikmah Library in Cairo contains 2 Million books. The library at Tripoli had some 3 million books, but the Christians burned down this library during the first crusade. GEOGRAPHY: During the 9th century, in the field of Geography, Muslim Scientists established that the world was round and, under the Caliphate of Mamun, the first map of the globe was created. AlIdresi (1100-1160) is the first scientist to draw a map of earth as a globe. He was called to Rome by King Roger II and was asked to draw a map of the whole earth. He drew a map on a silver globe and located the countries on it. This famous globe can still be seen in a museum in Italy. The famous explorer, Magellan, had a scientific crew aboard his ship that consisted of Muslims. One of these Muslims, a man named Bin Mageed, led the trip on which Magellan discovered the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. In 1312, African American Muslims from Mali arrived in the Gulf of Mexico. In 1492, Columbus arrived in the new world by referring to and using the map that AlIdresi drew. He had several Muslim crew members aboard his ships, including two captains: Martin Alonso Pinzon, Captain of the Pinta, and Yanex Pinzon, Captain of the Nina. In October 1492, Columbus wrote in his captains log that he saw a Mosque on top of a mountain when he was sailing north of Cuba. This tells us that Muslims arrived in America some time before Columbus. POLITICAL SYSTEMS: Muslims are the first known civilization in history to use election as a governmental system. They founded an Islamic government that included the SHURA (election), where people elect their officials and the officials, in turn, elect the Khalif (president). This is amazingly similar to the current US system of government. MATH: Muhammad Ibn Musa was the first to invent and use the zero and he was also the first to use the Decimal Point as a form of notation The Algebraic system was invented by Jaber bin Hayan and this is why it is called Algebra. Another great mathematician was Omar Khayyam, who offered the world geometric and algebraic solutions of the second degree. Nasiruddin wrote a treatise on quadrilateral trigonometry, as well as, plain and spherical geometry. Bin Haytham invented the first device that was used to measure distances. Muslim sailors also invented the compass. THE SCIENCE OF MECHANICS: The development of the Science of Mechanics in Islam is an act of genius. Musa Ibn Shakir described one hundred pieces of mechanical equipment in his book of artifices. Another outstanding Muslim treatise is the Al Kitab Fi Marifat Al Hiya Al Handasiyya (The Book of the Knowledge of Ingenious Geometrical Contrivances), written by Abul Fiaz Ibn Al Raz. He also did work on accurate weighing and the determination of specific gravity. THE CAMERA OBSCURA: In the field of optics, the Camera Obscura (a reflection device) was invented by Ibm Haitham in 1038 AD. THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY: In the 8th Century, Hazrat Qazi AbuBakr developed the theory of relativity, in terms of time and space, by means of mathematical equations and Astrophysics. Einstein did not propound the same theory of relativity until the Twentieth Century. THE MEDICAL FIELD: Ibin Annafis discovered the workings of the pulmonary blood circulation system in the human body and documented it. In the 12th Century, Dr. Zahrawi wrote a book describing surgeries he performed and the devices he used during surgery. This book was translated into English and French and was used in top European universities until the mid 18th Century. Zahrawi was the first to describe the mechanics of human vision and the relationship between the eyes and brain. He explained how the brain interprets what the eyes see and he described the eyes as just a capturing device. Ibin Sina is the most famous medical doctor in Muslim history and his books have been translated into over 13 languages. THE FIELD OF ENGINEERING: Evidence still exists which shows that Muslims have contributed greatly to the art of building and design. This evidence is seen all over the world in Mosques such as, the Taj Mahal in India, Al Aqsa Mosque and The Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, the Kabah and Masjid ul Ahram in Makkah, the Great Mosque Xian in China, the Mosque of Hassan II in Casablanca, and many more. The University of Tampa in Tampa, Florida is a great example of the effect that Islamic building and design has had on the West. PHILOSOPHY AND SOCIAL SCIENCE: Ibin Kaldun is the first philosopher to place rules to politics and, in his books, he wrote the first known History of Philosophy. Conclusion: Muslims have contributed to civilizations throughout history and continue to contribute to modern civilization. Unfortunately, Muslim contributions continue to be unknown and overlooked because the education systems in many countries deem these contributions to be of little importance and value to society. Our hope is that this information will urge our generation of teachers to include the Islamic Golden Age in their lessons for the sake of our generation and many generations to come. Every human being contribution to society and civilization is important and valuable as learning tools and stepping-stones to a better future for the world and mankind. Check out some other info : http://www.islamicmedicine.org/history.htm http://wzzz.tripod.com/index.html Regards Message was edited by: Moderators
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 24, 2009 11:42 AM
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It was a lot of fun to read your article, b/c, to be honest, it's quite hilarious to read about Muslims discovering the New world before Columbus or figuring out the theory of relativity before Einstein or giving the world Arabic numbers. ps: the so-called Arabic numbers were actually invented by Hindu mathematicians - the Arabs learned it from Hindus (just like they learned about zero) after they invaded India. There's no point to comment the rest of your post - it's pure mythology completely unsupported by the historical facts.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Columbus did not discover America. I am not saying muslim's did not come here also, that I don't know. BUT...The oldest settled place in the u.s. and canada is ''newfoundland''. The viking's were there long before columbus made the journey. Anyway, also this ''founding fathers'' found nothing. Except found a way to steal a whole country and resources from the natives(indian's), using the same b/s/ the u.s. and brit's are using to this day..Give them democracy, a better life. Not wishing to get off topic.. The west..especially the u.s. and brit's..Don't want any muslim country to excel at anything or make advance's in technology..They want to keep them down to be like slaves to the west. Especially if they are rich in oil and in a strategic position to build permanent bases there, like Iraq and afghan are... Cheers.. Cyberers
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 24, 2009 8:53 PM
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To blame the USA & UK for the 700-800 year decline of the Muslim world requires a willing suspension of disbelief. The truth is much more trivial and simple - all the Muslim elites have to do, if they want to find out the culprits for the intellectual wasteland their countries are, they should take a good look at the mirror produced by Chinese or South Koreans. Of course, it's much easier to blame others than accept responsibility for one's actions.
ps: you happened to be right about the Vikings visiting the North America long before Columbus, and it's quite possible Columbus had some maps or heard stories about it.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 24, 2009 10:32 PM
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ps: you happened to be right Since when the hell have I ever been wrong on anything. Remember one thing..Without the Arab's and muslim country's giving or selling you oil , you would not have a plane to fly on or a car to drive. That day is rapidly drawing to a close, as it is getting harder to pay off Arab leader's to deliver all the good's you need to survive.
Arab's will alway's have customer's in Euro etc.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 25, 2009 1:18 AM
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I have news for you - we produce most of the oil we need and get the rest from Canada and Mexico. We can easily survive w/out your oil, but you can't w/out our foreign aid and handouts. After all is said and done, you can't even manufacture a simple handgun by yourself - you've got to buy from someone else. Even the oil you're so proud of was discovered by us and you can't get it out of the desert w/out our supervision.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 25, 2009 4:20 AM
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Can't manufacture a simple handgun? LOL...u.s. wishes. those people like Iraqis and afghans can take a simple old rusted piece of metal and make a bomb or gun with it..homemade. They gained the know how and experience trying to keeping the u.s. and brits at bay. lol.. Seriously speaking though..I know we have been told how the Arab's can't get oil from the ground without our great knowledge. That is a farce. Iraq sure done ok getting oil out, even with the sanctions. Iran does quite well getting it out too, without our help. But, you must admit, the u.s. is running low on oil, granted Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the u.s. from Alberta tar sand's. Sure the u.s. need mid east oil. How else would they get oil and gas to use in all the planes and equipment they have in bases in the mid east? But...it is not just a question how much is shipped to the u.s. , we must remember, if the u.s. or brit. oil boy's control the mid east oil going to other country's they have sway over those country's because of the oil they need. LOT of money to be made from mining the Iraq and Arab oil. How much the Iraqis will get from the u.s. and brits mining there oil, will be VERY minimal that's for sure. haha.. They did not go to Iraq with good intention's to help those nice Iraqis. Some foreign aid is self serving that is for sure. Suddenly the u.s. gives Pakistan (against the public wishes in Pakistan) billion's of dollar's for help fighting the taliban. Interesting to see just how much filter's down to the public. US Aid Fails to Win Pakistan http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1256033935721&pagename=Zone-English-News%2FNWELayout Cheers.. Cyberers
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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I'm very sorry to disappoint you and dash your wet dreams - we aren't running out of oil and the ONLY reason we have to buy oil from Canada and Mexico is because thanks to people like Barack Hussein Obama, huge areas in Alaska, the Gulf of Mexico, California, and other places in the US are closed for drilling. Once BHO is history, a new President will open up these places for development preferrably, after you run out of oil. In fact, I wouldn't rule it out if President Obama does it himself after he gets mugged by reality and realizes who the Saudi "friends" are.
By the way, Canada has more oil in Alberta than Saudi Arabia and the Canadians well keep selling it to us whether you like it or not. If I were you, I wouldn't drool over the prospects of the US running dry.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 26, 2009 8:33 PM
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Canada has more oil in Alberta than Saudi Arabia Where??? I am in the AB oil field's now.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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I love reading revisionist muslim history and Dr. Naik seems very adept at it. We do recognise that there were periods during the early caliphates that incorporated many of the new ideas garnered from more civilised peoples such as the Persians and Chinese. I would not argue with that at all. Similarily, when Andalusia was conquered the caliphs there were more easy going and embraced the culture of their Spanish subjects. In fact, Baghdad and Cordoba were famous for their courts where wine, women , song, poetry and music could be found. It was in this environment where Islam thrived and moved forward. But Dr. Naik is playing at taqyia - he cleverly mentions things in a way that make them seem to be purely muslim inventions, when they are actually just further experimentation on what they had learnt from the more highly cultured civilisations which had all gathered at Baghdad as it was a large trading centre and where ships from all over Asia came to sell their wares and bring their new innovations. The number system does in fact use Arabic numerals based on the Indian numerals and very musc easier to handle than the Roman numerals used prior to that. Coinage was actually used in China in 900BC but modern coinage is attributed to King Alyattes of Anatolia, well before the birth of Christ, and who standardised the weight of coins and stamped them with a lions head. Paper making was invented by the Chinese 2000 years ago, before Islam ever arose, - look up the ancient scrolls used by the Chinese dynasties. The method was passed on to the Arabs when they began trading with the Chinese. Also note, that when the muslims and Jews were thrown out of Andalusia and went to Turkey, they brought the modern printing press with them which Islam wanted nothing to do with. Yes, the Christians had nothing to be proud of burning precious books. Anyway, I suggest you check authorative historical sources before takng everything a muslim writer postulates - as you can see Dr, Naik is either not educated himself or is pushing the Saudi Revisionist version of history for a very nice salary. As for the rest, having found the first paragraphs of Dr. Naik's epistle to be factually wrong, I am not going to go to any lengths to check them, altho' i will look at the links you have given. Just remember, do not take anything at face value, especially when written by muslims pushing their version of how they were the inventors of so much. Yes, they contributed something, but mostly it was the refinement of systems already invented. I can't think of anything new and innovative that changed the course of the modern world that muslims are famous for. As I said to United, if you can get hold of a book by the Pakistan born writer Tarek Fatah called "Chasing a Mirage" , you would be in a position to separate the wheat from the chaff when reading muslim publications and therefore have a stronger base to debate from. Posting cut and paste items which are innacurate does not help you cause..
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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**** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM ******
I knew that this will not go down your throat .
First of all let me clear that whatever I wrote in my post it is not written by Dr.Zakir Naik . I gave his single statement in the beginning … There is loads of literature written in favour of post . Only thing you need to do is to do some research
I will tell you a joke of a century
**** you can see Dr, Naik is either not educated himself or is pushing the Saudi Revisionist version of history for a very nice salary. ****
How can a person who is Medical Doctor be uneducated? Regarding the other allegation that you made about Dr.Naik is your Assumption without any proof . I don’t discuss baseless assumptions
Coming back to the topic
I guess you have not read these links
http://www.islamicmedicine.org/history.htm
http://wzzz.tripod.com/index.html
Try this once
In first link you will see references have been taken from Muslim and Non Muslims … How can you say that this information doesn’t make any sense ?
Second link lists some famous Muslim Personalities. Do some research on your own and then if you think they haven’t contributed anything to the humanity then I am ready to discuss
http://www.twf.org/Library/Renaissance.html .... Check out what different non Muslim Authors have to say about this debate
http://worldupdates.tripod.com/newupdates10/id142.htm
There is a loads of material by Non Muslims regarding the topic … Now don’t tell me all of them are salaried by SA
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Since when is a medical doctor the same as a historian? Also... I always find it extremely funny to see that people like you consistently attribute ANYTHING somebody, who happens to be muslim, invents/discovers/whatever to Islam the religion. But when western scientists, who happen to be of christian background, cure cancer, re-attach severed limbs, do heart transplants, brain surgery, shoot rockets into space, split atomic nuclei, smash protons together at the speed of light, etc... then the same rule suddenly doesn't apply. Then it's not thanks to christianity or judaism or whatever-the-hell religion they are from. Not that I think it applies obviously, I know it never applies. The merrit of person X discovering something meaningfull goes to person X. Not to the religion he happens to follow, the nation he happens to hold a passport of, the color his eyes happen to be, the color his skin happens to be nor the third letter of his name happens to be... The merrit goes to person X, no matter what his background, etnicity or religion.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 25, 2009 1:27 AM
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The Golden Age of the Islamic (Arab) Civilization occurred when Muslims were a tiny ruling minority surrounded by a sea of Christian, Jewish, and Zoroastrian dhimmis - w/out their contribution, there would be no Golden Age. Once, the demographic balance began to change, the Golden Age quietly expired.
The Ottoman Empire's contribution to the humankind had been zero from the beginning; in fact, it was mostly negative.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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***** ASSALAMU AKAI KUM ******
Stevie grow up and start talking some sense
First of all you are one of the few people on this forum who doesnt have the ethics to do a good discussion ... You are here to spread your hate against Islam
I remember last time i demanded some facts about your some argument ... You never replied . I think you are here to discuss your emotions but baby it is not going to work here ... you need to have Some Knowledge as well ...
If you don't agree with any argument , come up with some proofs if you don't agree with it ... Otherwise as you said that it was funny to read my post but you haven't presented any proof for it ... It is not what i think , there is loads of literature written on Islamic Contribution ... Most of the literature written by Non Muslims ... Do some research .
Why it was funny to you bcoz it is against your belief ... I cant help
Whole World believes on Darwins Theory though it was never proved .. It is still not a part of established science ... What to Do !!! I have read about it in my school and still they are feeding it to kids ...
This is media and it has power and it can make us believe whatever they like ..
But if you dont have that sense and that time to gain knowledge , you better stick to your comic books
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 26, 2009 9:38 AM
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Your rather emotional response indicates your beliefs about your "glorious" past are based on pure mythology.
The fact that I believe you have no real knowledge about your past has nothing to do with "hate" and Islam - it's based on the gibberish you wrote.
Please do ask me questions - I'll be more than glad to provide you with answers. It'll give you a chance to learn about things your teachers did their best to hide from you.
By the way, you've done your best to ignore the main point of my responses to your post: How come the Muslim world has become an intellectual wasteland after the 12th century AD? I don't think either the USA or the UK have anything to do with it.
If I were you, I wouldn't boast about the glory of your ancestors - it only underlines the miserable state you are in.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Oct 26, 2009 12:32 PM
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If I were you, I wouldn't boast about the glory of your ancestors - it only underlines the miserable state you are in.
Wow.. Aren't you just the perfect one. EVERYONE should be proud of there past. INCLUDING muslim's. One thing I have noticed among many non muslim's is...they are pulling the same stunt they did with the native(indian's) in N.America and many other part's of the world..They try to make them feel inferior. By the way ..I am not muslim. Nor do I live in the mid east. Not a drop of Arab blood in me that I know of. lol..Just making that clear.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Really? So should Germans be proud about their Nazi past? Should christians be proud about their crusades and inquisition? Should Belgians be proud about the cr*ap the previous generations pulled in Congo? Should you be proud to be such an id*iot? They try to make them feel inferior For me, it's not so much about making them feel inferior as it is about trying to remove their arrogant superiority complex. (and I don't just use such rethoric with muslims, but with ANYONE who has a superiority complext)
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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*****ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *******
****** it’s based on the gibberish you wrote . ****
There is loads of material available in this regard. Only thing I have done is that I researched about this. Check out the links that I posted about this debate. One may ask how you say that I am wrong? Or how do you say it is gibberish ? The only thing you have done so far you have Disagreed with my post without any fact … Show me your knowledge … I am willing and open to learn but it should make sense.
Check out the post of periwinkle, This is the way debate is done … She argued about paper, Coinage etc. I still disagree with her but at least she knew ethics of discussion rather than just shouting “ you are wrong and whatever you wrote is Gibberish “ … You need to prove your argument otherwise your presence on this forum doesn’t make any sense
Regarding your question I agree with you , Muslim world have not used its resources and knowledge to compete with the rest of the world . The reason about this decline that I feel is , We were at our best when we were following our religion properly . We were best in every aspect of life when we had firm faith on Allah. Our success lies in our religion and Faith on Allah. When we were practicing our religion as it should be there was no one who dared to fight with us . If we closely monitor Decline of Golden Age of Muslims we will come to know we alone are responsible for it as we have left our religion aside … Today whatever a Non Muslim Does, we find Muslims indulged in the same acts, Muslims are practicing every evil act like Gambling, Alcoholism, Adultery etc … And as years pass by, In case Muslims continue to do these acts there is much worse to come for Muslims....
Nowadays I see youngsters who know their religion and practice it as well. So that is a positive vibe for Muslims.. Earlier Islam was only known to Scholars … Now a common Muslim is aware of his religion. I thank western Media for this bcoz in case they wont have done so much propaganda against Islam. People won’t have come close to Islam
As Allah Says in Glorious Quran “They planned & Plotted, Allah too planned and Allah is the best planner “
As you mentioned in your post "I wouldn't boast about the glory of your ancestors - it only underlines the miserable state you are in. "
Thats what you are doing , westerners are shouting about their contribution to the humanity .. One may ask you a question , If you are boasting about your contribution what have you done as a person to contribute to the society .. Dont give me a list of your ancestors or people in your community ... I am asking to you as person what sort of discoveries you have done ?
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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If I understood you correctly, you believe that Muslim problems with modernity are traced to the lack of obedience to Allah and this is why Muslims have been stuck in a time warp for the last 600 years.
To follow your logic, one should conclude that the West is so strong, prosperous, and free because the Christians, unlike Muslims follow God's will.
One should also conclude that a handful of Jews in Israel have been so victorious and successful b/c they do God's work and their enemies don't.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Not only the lack of obedience to Allah but also the occupation, stealing of our wealth and corruption of rulers. a handful of Jews in Israel have been so victorious and successful
A handful of Jews in Israel have been murderers, thieves, warmongers, evil and curse to the whole world.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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So you do acknowledge that the reason the Israelis have been so successful in taking care of their enemies and building a prosperous, democratic country all at the same time, because God is on their side?
By the way, this isn't a new idea - the grandfather of the current king of Jordan, King Abdallah did believe that there was a divine reason why the Jews started coming to Israel and Arabs were making a grave mistake by opposing God's will. Of course, he paid with his life for telling the truth.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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**** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *****
Sister i think discussing anything with people like Steve Former is a wastage of time ... People like him is a shame for himself and for his whole community
You see the whole thread and i am literally begging him for some sort of argument , facts or any reasoning ....
But the only thing he is all about is Hate against Islam .
He is so **** with Emotions based on Corrupt media ...
Check out his Knowledge in the post above
" That's absolutely correct." HAHAHAHA
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It's difficult to argue with people who keep making things up. For example, the decimal system wasn't invented by Arabs (Hindus did it) and it was Chinese who were the first to make paper.
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Who was occupying muslim lands from the 12th century onwards? The US only exists for about 200 years, Israel not even 100... So wich evil "thieves etc" were occupying you and stealing your wealth in the 12th century and afterwards. Also... that logic doesn't really match up when we look at the rest of the world... Germany was burned to the ground in 1945. So was Japan. Hirosjima and Nagasaki were even turned into giant parking lots. Today, they are amongst leading economic powers with very high standards of living. And this in only a few decades! It's quite clear that something else is holding the middle east back.
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*** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM ****
See your problem is that you cant understand simple English … I said if Muslims need to be successful they need to follow their faith as it should be followed … I never applied the same rule for all religions … Then we have a dumbest person of the forum who got some other meaning from the statement which I cant help !!!!
It is an Islamic Understaning and I know that other religions might not agree with it . There are n number of Islamic Concepts which other religions don’t agree … Then how come you don’t apply your filthy logic there as well .
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I had typed a much longer post and another one that was removed I was answering your post about the SHURA. If you read about it you will find that it was used once, and once only in Islamic history and the explanation you have in incorrect. When Umar was nearing the end of his life he did not want the personal responsibility of appointing the next Caliph, so he chose seven notable men from the community and asked them to select a leader from amongst themselves. This is not democracy as only the selected seven were allowed to vote for whom the next Caliph would be from those whom Umar had chosen as possible future Caliphs.
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That's absolutely correct.
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The greatest contribution by Australian Indians was Fosters Beer. Keep up the work.
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OK POOPY, here’s More: 29 October, 2009 09:57
Australian CSIRO’s scientist Dr John O’Sullivan wins prize for his contribution to the development of Wi-Fi that is used by almost every notebook, desktop and mobile wireless LAN device, as well as contributions to astronomy.
The organisation announced earlier this month that revenue from settlements over wireless LAN patent infringement cases boosted its financial fortunes to $205 million in the year to June 2009.
O’Sullivan’s work now also involves design of the $3 billion next-generation Square Kilometre Array (SKA) telescope, which will generate more information than has been collected in the history of radio astronomy.
Another Aussie scientist, Dr Amanda Barnard, was awarded the 2009 Malcolm McIntosh Prize for Physical Scientist of the Year for major contributions to the field of nanoscience.
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/324174/wireless_inventor_wins_top_science_award
Not bad contributions from a tiny population eh?
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Well...Aussie follow's the u.s. in whatever they do, viet nam, Iraq, etc... They get rewarded by the u.s. as Israel does. But one thing that is very obvious. The west under pressure from the u.s. and u.k. do not want muslim country's to progress. Look what happened to Iraq and quite possibly Iran.
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The only progress Iraq from the late 80's and early 90's was interested in were chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Sadam Hussein and Ahmadinejad are deeply evil man, there's no doubt about that. If Hitler were alive today, we'ld also stop him from any attempt at building nuclear weapons.
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Hey, I’ll have you know that Bombay does it’s part contributing towards modern technology too!
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Well,if you’re wondering why your calls often get lost into a ‘loop’de’loop’ when making internet complaints it’s due to Microsoft outsourcing complaints to here!
http://www.mindspring.com/~saness3/img/india/p07.jpg
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**** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *****
This link is quite funny but i have never witnessed this scene . Many a times photographer is responsible for such moves , bcoz he tries to get more attention for his photograph .
But we shouldn’t forget contribution of Indians to the computer world . Microsoft might be facing issues with the calls routed to India . But we cant ignore the number system which was invented by indians . Arabs took the number system to Arabia and different parts of europe … Without the effort of Indians and Arabs the number system wont have come to Europe . Don’t ignore Hindu\Arabic number system have “0” in it . Without Zero you cant have a concept of digital world , computers etc . So in other words Microsoft wont have existed without Indian invention of “ 0 “ . It is impossible with Roman or any other number system . Though I am aware that the Digital world is based on Binary logic but still it is not possible with any other number system .
Apart from that I agree with your statement
“I think that ALL races/cultures contributed towards science and medicine over the course of history, but the fact remains that most innovations occur in nations or cultures eager to embrace new knowledge. “
It is completely correct , Muslims were at their best when they were researching on different subjects and learning good things from other Cultures . (Kindly note I mentioned good things and there are certain things which we consider Bad but westerners don’t mind , so good things as far as knowledge and innovations are concerned ). But suddenly there was too much of weath in Muslim world that they got themselves in relaxation mode . They stopped to care about the future , They thought it was enough for them .
But as far as Islamic teachings is concerned . It is Farz(compulsory) for every human being to gain knowledge . Our beloved Prophet (PBUH) said that in case to gain knowledge if you have to go to China , you should go .
As far as I and my teachers know Glorious Quran , there is a portion in Glorious Quran which talks about the stories realted to Prophets(PBUT) , and the other portion we can related it to science . in that portion 80% of the content is not contradicting with established science . Rest 20 % is ambigious ..which is not proved by established science like Darwins Theory … It is contradicting with Bible and Quran but it was never proven . It is still a theory it is not an established fact
There might be incidence in past where Islamic scholars were not open to Science … They might have been tried to hide Science from the locals because Quran was Contradicting with Science at that time .But now we come to know Science of that time was wrong , Earlier Scientist said Earth is flat it was contradicting with Glorious Quran as Glorious Quran mentions that earth is spherical . Nowdays we know earth is not flat and that’s what exactly Glorious Quran mentions 1430 years ago .
Similarly I learnt in my school Sun is stationary , it was contradicting with Glorious Quran . Glorious Quran mentions Sun revolves in its own orbit . Glorious Quran uses the word “Yasbahun “ which means rotating in its own orbit . So earlier science was wrong but Glorious Quran wasn’t.
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Re: Muslim Contribution
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Hee hee, very funny, but I do hope you are using our invention of Wi-Fi and using a wireless earpiece and are not putting your mobile phone directly to your ear, because that will give you brain cancer and consequently result in you getting ‘floppy syndrome’ --- which we Aussies will have to cure.
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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You dont talk on how and what did muslims invent,rather you talk on their contribution.I think contribution is based on facts not speculation. If charles darwin theory is comic what did the medical doctor(dr.zaik)learn? he was taught by those theories ,he was also taught by western books and authors can you tell us like today muslim who are contributing in science and there works are in schools both in non-muslim and muslim world. Invention and innovation continues till today and many people are inventing things practical..can you tell us muslim formulas used or concepts like when i say adam smith in economics,graham bell and many other who invented things practical and we are using and upgrading their invention. Dont focus on myths be pragmatic or else you will be led by mythologies to inspire yourself yet your community is contributing nothing
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**** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM ****
It seems to me that you were very quick to respond to my post . You made your mind in a jiffy that whatever I wrote is a myth . I guess you havent bothered to click on the links that I posted above ….
Come out of the myths that has been told to you from your school days and do some research on your own .
Don’t be shocked and Check these links out, may be that would be helpful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_medieval_Islam#Chemical_processes
Check it is not a Muslim Myth , Most refernces have been taken from Non Muslim Sources.
So many things that you use in your daily life without realising that their concept was given by Muslims .
http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/muslminv.php
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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As I mentioned previously, everyone contributed towards the technology that we use today, some civilizations more than others according to their degree of advancement.
Actually the Chinese had already developed and were using many things 7,000 years BC (that’s 1,000 years BEFORE the world was supposedly created 6,000 years ago according to some beliefs! LOL), but due to separation these were still unknown to the Western sector for centuries later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
http://inventors.about.com/od/chineseinventors/Chinese_Inventions.htm
These inventions were further worked on and improved by various races of people. The Japanese were renown for taking someone else’s inventions and further perfecting them and now it’s the Chinese turn of doing it again.
So it’s not who is best at making discoveries but which culture happens to be the most open and adventurous. The general rule is that the more restricted by religious dogma a culture is, the less progressive it becomes. Cultures who established universities and encouraged the seeking of knowledge such as Andalusia and China did always progressed at a more rapid state; and when those cultures became repressed, they lost out to cultures were less afraid that new discoveries might undermine the authority of rulers & religious clergy.
The Western world only leapt ahead AFTER the church leaders lost their hegemony, and the Muslim world will again do what it’s achieved in the past when it has rid itself of selfish & repressive leaders.
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**** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM ****
I agree with most part of your post . It is true that cultures which have been open to R&D were able to contribute to the world … But we cant blame Islamic teachings for not being open to R&D … As in Islam Gaining knowledge is Farz . It is not like Church which was not open to Knowledge as church considers the original Sin of Adam was that he eat from the tree of Knowledge . I don’t agree that Muslim Scholars were not open to Innovations . (Exceptions are always there ) But mainly it has nothing to do with Islam as a Religion .
Though I put the blame on Political leaders of Islamic Countries who have never tried to compete with the rest of the world … These leaders never used the great heritage of Muslim Scientists … They never invested money in order to convert their concepts in actual investments … According to me these so called leaders of Islamic countries has to blame … They had also been very loyal to the greatest enemy of Islam (America) and Muslims all over the world .
If we closely analyse till the time Religious Scholars were a part of mainstream politics in Islamic Countries ... Muslims were contributing one way or the other ... Once Politics in Islamic Countries got corrupt ...Slowly Political leaders threw the religious scholars out to be loyal to Big Brother ... and this is one of the reasons i feel Muslims were cornered
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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You must be saying that the political leaders of the Islamic world "had also been very loyal to the greatest enemy of Islam (America) and Muslims all over the world" for the last 600 years.
This must be a bad joke, right? FYI: The USA was founded at the end of the 18th century.
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***** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *****
Your post is not worth answering but just some comments about you …..
Your Whole personality is a joke . When asked to prove your argument then you said that it is not worth discussing and I am not surprised when you are very qucik to answer this .
Is it your hobby ? To make something out of nothing ….
Stevie get some lollypops for yourself and find some other forum for your entertainment ….
Meaningless jokes wont do any good on this forum !!! You need to have debating skills on this forum
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Hi Irfan - I am just reading a very interesting book by M A Khan about India and the arrival of Islam. I hadn't realised that India, pre-Islam, was recgonised as the fifth greatest civilisation in the ancient world. I knew it was one of the richest and made major cultural contributions to the world. It has a superb section on Kashmir from pre-Islam to modern day and if the moderators don't remove my post it would be nice to discuss his historical point of view compared to yours. He also cites the muslim and Hindu scholars (and Chinese) who recorded what was happening in those times whom he uses for his information back as far as about 1000AD - as well as the odd European adventurer.
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**** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *****
If you can elaborate more that would be wonderful . You can even give me a name of the book i would try to find it in my Grandfathers library
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WHY DOES IT MATTER?? Islam didn't "give" us these things, whatever they are... PEOPLE did. People who happened to be muslim. Inventions, discoveries are attained 24/7 by all kinds of people. Why must you whine like a baby about this? WHAT does it matter?
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****** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM ******
******* I always find it extremely funny to see that people like you consistently attribute ANYTHING somebody, who happens to be muslim, invents/discovers/whatever to Islam the religion. ******
I don’t agree with you as far as this statement is concerned . It is west who forces us to do such discussions . When Anti Islamists People say that Muslims havent done anything productive so far . It is to answer such people . They give so much media hype to western Inventions and they have always ignored Muslim Contributions . It is because of this hype that even Muslims are not even aware that it was Muslims who translated Greek Concepts . Otherwise Europeans were not able to read those concepts .
Personally I believe Regardless of religion , Colour , race, etc …. Every community infact every person who has been on earth has contributed one way or the other . This is my understanding as far as Contributions to the world are concerned . But when some one Provokes us and say that Muslims havent done anything then it becomes necessary to give them bit of Knowledge .
I think it should be enough to explain my point of view .
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When Anti Islamists People say that Muslims havent done anything productive so far Yes, and what those people say is just as wrong as what you are saying. They give so much media hype to western Inventions and they have always ignored Muslim Contributions The thing is, inventions of hundreds of years ago are "old news". You can't deny that the technological and industrial society of today has mostly been build by the west... But all that is besides the point. The point of discussion here is to whom or what you attribute the inventions. What you seem to be implying here is that if it wasn't for islam, those inventions/discoveries/refinemend of new technologies/ways/whatever would have never happened. I say that if it wasn't for the dude that came up with it, it would have never happened. And even that doesn't seem correct to me. If dude X wouldn't have come up with the number "0", somebody else would have. The fact is that there hasn't been a single society that didn't contribute to our current knowledge and ways. Even nazi germany contributed heaps. It gave us one hell of a second industrial revolution, highways and were the ones who came up with the car "for everybody" through volkswagen. It off course also showed us how not to deal with your citizens and neighbouring countries and how not to rule a country in general. So really, it's silly to yap about any contribution/invention at all and turn it into something half holy because the discoverer happened to be of faith X or citizen of country Y. Who cares? It reminds me a bit of the extremely childish battle windows fanboys and apple fanboys. "we were first"
"no, we were first, you stole this and this from us, we invented it"
"whine whine whine"
"yap yap yap". And while they are discussing that, I'm here enjoying my pc, wich is an accumulation of the companies inventions, their peers inventions and the related inventions even before they ever existed. So I say again... who cares... It's misplaced childish pride. However, and you will hate me for this and call me islamophobe and what-not (also: who cares), but islam today is actually one of the reasons why the west is the one building the technological society of today. The literal faith is a real show-stopper when it comes to scientific progress, since it forces you to assume certain unscientic (and very wrong) things and prohibits research in fields/subjects wich could expose those things. And also, theocracies don't tend to like an educated citizen... Trust me, we have plenty of experience with that in europe. It is because of this hype that even Muslims are not even aware that it was Muslims who translated Greek Concepts Wauw, muslims knew greek? That's totally.... actually, it's rather obvious that some muslims knew greek. Otherwise Europeans were not able to read those concepts . /sarcasm = on
yea, because not a single european could understand greek obviously...
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Every community infact every person who has been on earth has contributed one way or the other . This is my understanding as far as Contributions to the world are concerned . I guess I was wrong then and realise that my rant above was a bit too much :D But when some one Provokes us and say that Muslims havent done anything then it becomes necessary to give them bit of Knowledge . Ok fine, but like I said... guys who say that no muslim has ever done anything usefull is either a complete retard or simply not worth talking to anyway. But like I said, it IS most certainly true that the past centuries... not much worthwhile has come from the middle east. We both know where the technology these days comes from. That's an interesting discussion wich should be addressed. It is my opinion that literal faith, theocracies are to blame for such science show-stoppers. I've mentioned a few times on here that the separation between church and state is becoming very thin in the US. Just look at what immediatly happened after that line got a bit blurring... Suddenly stem cell research was a problem. Suddenly budgets were cut for studies with no good reason. And that's the result of only that tiny bit of uneducated, scientific illiterate, irrational influence it had on policy. I don't even want to KNOW what would happen if literal faith grabs power in a full blown theocracy (although taliban afghanistan comes to mind... and religious police like in iran and SA, militia's etc...)
I think it should be enough to explain my point of view .
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THE GIFTS OF MUSLIMS TO EUROPE A.I. MAKKI J.S. Bailly writes in one of his letters to Voltaire: “That the nations of Europe after having grown old in barbarism, were only enlightened are more by the invasion of Muslims, than by the arrival of Greeks of the Lower Empire.” Bailly holds the view that one of the unique and important, distinguishing quality was the influence, which the Arab Muslims commanded on all branches of modern civilization. It was the Muslims who rescued, and restored to the Europeans a vast knowledge of ancient Greek authors, whose language – and even worse their names were forgotten throughout Europe. It is now clear to the Europeans that the numerous translations and commentaries, which the Arabs authored on all the works written by Greek authors, which makes their literature of Greek scholars the most important contribution to Europe, which served to give modern human beings the first glimpse and insight of the sciences that were known to the Greeks preserved in the letters of ancient times. The Greek scholars of the historic past were first introduced to the Europeans through the exhaustive commentaries written on them by the Arabs that awakened in them a desire to possess their works, and understand the language of Homer and Plato found enthusiastic interpreters among Europeans. Now, it is an acknowledged fact that the greater part of Greek learning, were from those sources, which the Europeans received first from the hands of the Arab Muslims. It was the Arab Muslims who were the first to pass on to Europe – without disguising their origins – the knowledge they borrowed from Greeks, long before Leontius Pilatus started a course in the study of Greek Language in Florence in the year 1360, and the spreading of the population of Constantinople, when it was conquered by Muhammad II (1453) had made the language of the Muslims a common study in Europe. For the first time in the history of Europe a great effort was undertaken to translate the works of Arabs into Latin for the first time. Among the works were the earliest versions of Euclid and Ptolemy. The proof that the Greek letter first found refuge in the vast Arab libraries throughout the unprecedented Islamic Empire, which was ruled by the Arab Muslims for several centuries, and the farsighted Muslim Emperors who patronized men of science, arts, and learning, where several works of Ancient Greek were preserved by them, and discovered in their own works. For instance, the ‘Sphericals,” of the geometrician Menelaus of Alexandria, who was the forerunner to Ptolemy would never have been discovered if the Arabs had not first translated his works in the treatise of his writings in ‘Kitab al-Akbar,’ which was later translated into Latin. The eight volumes of Apollonius of Apollonius of Perga’s ‘Conic Sections,’ would have forever been lost to the dustbins of history, if the Maronite, Abraham Ecchellenesis would not have copied it and translated it in the year 1661, the missing fifth, sixth, and the seventh books from an Arab Manuscript in the Medici Library of Florence. Moreover, the doctors would have been able to complete Galen’s Commentaries on Hippocrates’ ‘Epidemics,’ without the help of an Arab Translation discovered in the ‘Escurial.’ And, the Naturalists of the Modern World would not have possessed an abridgement of Aristotle’s, “Treatise on Stones,” but for the Arab Manuscript preserved in the French National Library. If we trace the entire history of human knowledge, and recall the fact the Greece survived Rome in Alexandria then we should concede to the Arab Muslims for preserving the sacred treasures of knowledge, which set the nations of Europe firmly on the Path of Renaissance. They merit, the eternal gratitude for having preserved the learning of Greeks and Hindus, when these people were no longer producing any work of merit, and the European continent too ignorant to undertake the charge of these precious treasures of knowledge. If one tries to put down the Arabs for their role in securing the knowledge, of the ancient past, which is known to the most part of the modern world today, then the Renaissance, which led to a spurt in the writing activity of the most brilliant minds of Europe would have been delayed for many centuries. On the subjects of modern science, they were far ahead than their forerunners, the Romans for the Arabs were the true heirs to Greek knowledge. If the Arabs preferred Aristotle’s philosophy to that of Plato it was because they recognized that Aristotle mixed positive sciences with metaphysical speculation. Nonetheless, the Arab Muslims recognized Plato (Aflathoun), as well as Aristotle’s (Aristhatalis or Aristou) as the supreme works of Greek Literature. The Arabs did not concentrate their studies entirely on the principal works of Aristotle, Hippocrates, Dioscorides, Euclid, Ptolemy, and Strabo; for there was no Greek grammarian so mediocre, no expression of Greek language so poor, no scholar so subtle, which the Arab Muslims have left out without translating and commenting upon him.
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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Yes, it is true that the Arabs translated a lot of the Greek texts, but they could not use the ideas and philosophies that they found written there. So they put the Arabic documents in storage as they had no use for them because they were outside the boundaries of their religious teachings. However, when they were passed on to the west, the Europeans incorporated their ideas which eventually led to the democratic ideals of the west. Unfortunately after they had translated the Greek treatises they then burnt them!
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Unfortunately after they had translated the Greek treatises they then burnt them! Pure Lies
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LOL, and I rest my case!!
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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Oct 31, 2009 4:34 AM
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irfanhussain
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THE GIFTS OF MUSLIMS TO THE WORLD KHUSHTHAR JAMAL The Arabs gave the world many useful and important inventions, and they must not be refused the glory of brining them to the light of the world, and spread them from its one end to the other. This is exactly what they did with the paper, printing, the compass, and gunpowder. It is the common belief of historians that the Chinese knew the art of making paper and printing, and robbed the Arabs the honor of gifting these inventions to Europe. If the Europeans had invented the compass they would not have believed that there was a burning furnace in the South Pole as far as 1850 CE. A detailed study of European history shows us that they never used gunpowder in their wars, as the Arabs did before them. It is recorded in the chronicles of Arab history that during the siege of Makkah in August 683 CE that a kind of bomb was used for the first time, and in the fourteenth century the Egyptian Mamluk Arabs used to throw rockets to a great distance with a noise like thunder with their bronze cannons in their war against the Mongols in the Battle of în-e-Jalut in 1260 CE. There are records, which reveal to us that on the occasion of a great naval battle between the King of Tunis, and the Amir of Seville, great balls that were made up of gunpowder was used for the first time in the history of naval warfare. They were used with great skill when the Arabs laid siege to Gibraltar and Baeza in 1324. Gunpowder was also used by Ismail, the first, the King of Granada in 1325, and was seen in action in the capture of Algericas – a port city in the south of Spain - in 1342. After the fall of the Arabs in Spain, the knowledge of the use of gunpowder passed on to the Christian Kings of Spain, and slowly the use of cannons as the machines of war, and then its knowledge was passed down to the European armies. The early history books do not mention the trials and attempts, which would have provided the Christian nations of Europe with organized artillery, if the use of gunpowder had their origins among the Christian nations of Europe as some historians claim it. And, where the use of compass is concerned, there are no records available to prove beyond all doubt that the Chinese used if first for navigation. We find the Arab Muslims using the compass, not only during their sea voyages, but also in their journeys of caravans across the desert to determine the position of Qiblah to offer their obligatory prayers five times a day. It was the same with paper, and the first paper mill was started in Baghdad, and then in Damascus, and flourished in Palestine. A paper mill was first built in Morocco in 950 CE from where its use spread into Muslim Spain. The famous Arab historian and geographer Abu Abd Allah Muhammad al-Idrissi (1100-1166) mentions the use of linen and hemp in the manufacture of linen paper, which was known as the Xativa (Jativa) Paper, which was according to him, ‘both excellent and incomparable.’ Jativa was soon overtaken by the cities Valencia and Catalonia and become known as the formidable rivals in the manufacture and use of paper in Muslim Spain. In the year 1650 CE silk paper was being manufactured in Samarkand and Bukhara. In 706 CE the Muslims started using cotton, in the place of silk in the manufacture of paper, and created the ‘Damask Paper.’ “From the thirteenth century onwards, the paper that was made by Arabs was used first at Castile, from where its use became popular in the European countries. But, the Arab Muslims were the foremost in manufacturing glossy paper, which could endure the ravages of time, and ornamented their writings with vibrant, brilliant colors and the elegant Arabic script that was full of life. From the ninth century to the fifteenth century the Arab Muslims exercised their influence in every branch of science that laid down the foundations for the growth of modern civilization. It was during this period that the most voluminous literature was written – that is now extant – and the productions of their valuable inventions – that were attested by Europeans - were multiplied by enterprising Muslims who has set up factories for their manufacture all across the lands that were ruled by Arab Muslims. This wonderful activity in the Arab world soon caught the imagination of the Europeans that the Arabs were leading them in every branch of knowledge known to human beings. On the other hand, we find in the history of Middle Ages wonderful narratives of voyages made by all sea-faring Muslim countries all across the world, and the Muslim intellectuals first conceived the happy idea of gathering information for the first biographical dictionary. The Arab world saw a boom in the construction activity of grand buildings, which were heavily ornamented in both their plan and design, and in their thought and execution, of these projects still remain unequalled in the history of man, and led to a upheaval in the discovery of new arts that could not be imagined by the most brilliant minds in Europe. The unequalled industry of the Arabs in all these fields of knowledge convinced the Europeans to sow the first seeds of Renaissance in their countries.
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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Nov 2, 2009 4:55 AM
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makki123
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*** ASSALAMU ALAI KUM *****
You have mentioned clearly how Muslims were open to Knowledge . Apart from that you also threw some light on Muslim inventions … It was a pleasure to read both your posts …
In reply to your post My friend PERIWINKLE agreed that Muslims got the knowledge from Greeks and Preserved it But they never used it … She clearly made her allegations without pointing her finger on Church. I am sure she is aware but she didn’t want to criticize her faith …. It is a known fact that Muslims were open to knowledge and R&D as it has nothing against Islam … But the problem was with Church , They even sentenced Galileo to Death . This is an open secret that Church was the biggest obstacle of science known to Mankind as Teachings of church were against science .
PERIWINKLE disagreed with me when I said that paper is a Muslism invention … She quickly argued that it was invented by chinese …She didn’t even bothered to research on the formulae of the chinese Paper . Muslims got the idea from China but the paper you are using right now is not the Chinese invention . It is alltogether a different formulae .Chinese paper was a thinner paper . First paper mill was established in Baghdad .Church was not ready to use paper as it was a muslim invention .
Reading your post I remember one post of my friend Periwinkle which she wrote 2-3 months ago . I am afraid she will use the same allegation again . In her post which she wrote couple of months ago ,she mentioned that it was this Greek knowledge that inspired Prophet (PBUH) to invent Quran . Otherwise it was not possible for him to produce a book of such Magnitude 1400 years ago
For better understanding that Quran is the word of Allah and not plagiarised from Ancient Greeks
Let us see what Ancient Greeks and others had to say about Embryology. Nowdays Greeks and others are considered wrong … But Glorious Quran stands with the same honour . If Quran is plagiarised from Ancient Scholars … How come Glorious Quran is not contradicting with the establised science and ancient scholars are considered wrong in modern times ……
Check this one out
http://www.quranicstudies.com/articles/medical-miracles/does-the-quran-plagiarise-ancient-greek-embryology.html
Regards
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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Oct 31, 2009 7:03 AM
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irfanhussain
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Irfan Husein
I did not rush to reply rather i gathered information based on facts and things which are applicable and try to differentiate on the implementation part of it. The red indians in United States had many concepts which were imitated by the whites in developing either sophisticated weapons others tools used in different fields of life.In africa we also have african contributions from Mali to Kenya and Uganda which their concepts and ideas were developed to usefulness.The same applies to latin america and asia which had many concepts from writing to cloths e.t.c. One thing which you must differentiate is getting the information and making it to usefulness benefitting the masses and something which could be used in future.All human beings were having different concepts and ideas and that also applied to Arabs and muslim world.YOur defence is basically theoretical because what you are indicating is that those ideas generated from muslim either in medicine or architecture and mentioning "history" of muslim who were thought to have done this and that.Yes its true but why didnt they put the idea into useful?(maybe patents were not existing that time).And what was making them stop to advance the idea in muslim if the westerners took the ideas from them and implmented them. Implementing and doing something is different from thinking about the idea!!!! Africans were perfect in herbal medicine and many companies in pharmacy are using the relationships,do you mean the africans have been robbed their memory of thinking.Intelectual ad technology plagiarism is immitating but advancing and modelling it is innovation which may lead to invention. What was the reason of the gap in development of the ideas from muslim and arab world? From early 18th and 19th century what made them lag behind in invetion? If japan was nuked and within 50 yrs is one if not the most adnavce country in innovation in the world,and here you are talking of 100 b.c? C'mon you dont need to be ignorant with facts try to differentiate what you were told and what is practical.The arab and muslim ware lagging behind becuase of their mentalities and religion ideolgies being exploited by fundamentalist..who think getting the western ideas and others and try to invent is satanic as you will be engaging with kuffars...Lol.. In the last 50 yrs from internet to many economic theories were inveted do you know any arab or muslim who partcipated?????????
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Re: Muslim Contributions To The World
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Nov 1, 2009 6:50 PM
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mtumia
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Hoy Infidel, what’cha mean ‘no recent inventions’in 50 years?
This invention surely has to be ‘Haram’ !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKfDbYR9BA&feature=player_embedded
Look at the size of the bomb!
Lesson from this is that if you see someone in an aircraft boarding-queue with a pained expression & walking kinda funny, DON’T GET ON THE PLANE!
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