Wa alaikum'salam bro,

This is very big news. This means the unites states' incessant talk about becoming independent of Arab oil might not come to fruition if the Arabs move to become independent of american currency first. The americans can ill afford losing support of their currency around the world. There might just be another world war in the near future if this talk becomes serious.

Makkah and Medina will always be safe. That is not a worry to us Muslims. However, those rich Arabs in their castles should fear their own people before they think about anybody else, including the Persians. I would think a tyrant wants to keep power for himself and away from his people more than anything.Iran is not a threat. The more the media here trump up the "Persians" as being a world threat, the more i see history repeating itself yet again. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me".

Im assuming you are steve, the former owner of......what's that site called again?.......possesite, i believe?

How is Arizona this time of year?

Yeah yeah yeah irfanhussain, we've all heard it before. Islam don't like competition.

TOUGH!

I often wonder it we'd (USA) just come marching up to the gates of Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran with a big ol' cross and 400,000 soldiers, sent an emmisary to the Muslims and said; "Convert or die", if that would have made a difference in their victim mentality?

That's what the Muslim empire did, maybe they'd understand warfare a little bit better that way?

You do that. Please! Do that and see how united the Muslim Ummah will become. All your weapons wouldn't help you with the reaction you would get. Please encourage your leaders to do that. We need something like that.

And the Muslims didn't force anybody to convert. If that was the case, then you wouldn't see a single church or synagogue older than 100 years. The Ottomans controlled alot of land and the residents of many of those lands practised their faiths freely, and those lands still have synagogues and churches over 1000 years old. It would fit the description of a nation forcing people of another nation to convert. Thanks for trying so hard, though.

Uh....ok.

Maybe you should rethink your statement there irfangussain?

Isn't it YOUR contention (and everyother Muslims) that the US simply attacked the Middle East for it's oil?

SO, stop and think about it for a minute, then try again with a comment.

I wrote an article on this topic and the conclusion of the Bush administrations determination of pre-emptive strike.

Of course the Mod's deleted it, or maybe it just didn't post.

You have some good ideas in your post. But, I wonder how well they will work as to being self sufficient.  That would be very hard for any one country to do.  If the u.s. or any country stop's dealing with other country's, I think they will end up like Russia did. It work's in theory but practical , could end up like a third world country. Not just standard of living at home..But what about all the puppet's they got paid off in places like the mid east , afghan, etc..? Where would they get the money to keep giving them? Israel will not think it very nice when they don't get free billion's of $$ yearly. Thing's may get complicated.

Cheers..

cyberers.

Indeed.  But they stick their head in the sand and think al is a-ok.

You make valid points Jonny but, the fact remains, america relies on oil to keep control of various parts of the world. Those spots they control have given them the ability to obtain resources you otherwise wouldn't be able to get in the united states. An intricate web of resource reliance has been created and is so sensitive to change at any point that, if one part of the web fails, the whole will be damaged. I personally wish north america would drastically tone down its consumption because we(i live in Canada btw),along with the other advanced nations, consume over 90% of the worlds goods and services. This is disgusting and must be stopped. It's safe to say we contribute to world suffering with our overindulgence. It is not right and i hope someone takes the lead.

In this case, there are plenty of other nations that would gladly trade valuable goods for oil. OPEC nations won't have to worry until the oils stops flowing. The united states has no significant natural resource to trade with. This is why it invades countries that do have it.

Where would the u.s. get the money to continue paying off the puppet leader's in other countrys? The amount get's bigger and bigger all the time. Now, they are paying off Pakistan(one of the contition's they gave the money) is that Pakistan help them fight the taliban. Very expensive project..considering the u.s. probally borrowed the money from China, they must pay that back with interest.

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