My gut feeling with such a huge turnout being seen, is change is on the way. I believe shorty may be taking retirement very soon.

You may be right. But..will the next president be any better. Only time will tell. Myself..I always respected the president they have now. I would vote for him if I was in Iran.

Yep just watching it on press TV, Iranian government TV are quoting 69 % for shorty, how the hell they know that only 30 mins after polls close is a mystery, however it may be a response to  Mirhossein Mousavi claim.

I guess we will know tom.

Thieves tried to influence the election so that they can steal and undermine Iranian's progress in preparation for a future invasion. The Iranians succeeded this time and the thieves in the U.S.'s puppet failed.

There is nothing much to say but to except democracy and a nation's right to determine their own future. Some misleading protest will learn the truth later and things will calm down.

Come on Song please post evidence of the UK influencing Iran, Iran is off  limits to the UK as you well know.

I agree we need to stand back and let the people of Iran effect change, unfortunately in Iran you are likely to be shot on the spot if you protest or at best disappear for a long long time.  The young have had enough let the young voice their opinion.

democracy and a nation's right to determine their own future

is that not what they are now doing ?

GPA, The UK maynot be able to suppress Iranian democratic development, but the thieves within the UK had been doing nothing but suppressing Iranians democratic development since they were chased out of Iran for stealing Iranian oil. Until the UK and the thieves in the U.S. well financed terrorist organization are brought down to a contrallable level, the world will remain a dangerous place for democracy. I am glad most Iranians understand this and had focusing more on developing their nations against the economic strangalaion of the thieves in the U.S. and UK.

We both agree that outsiders need to stand back and let the Iranian decides what is best or themselves and their country. The problem is, the thieves in th U.S. , UK, and other theives control nations in Europe will never stand back without the Iranains' ability to force them to stand back. And there is big difference between voicing opinion hire by thieves in the U.S. to destroy property, stir riots, and support thieves in the U.S.'s attempt to strangle the Iranians' economy for chasing thieves out of their oil fields in 1979.

democracy and a nation's right to determine their own futureis that not what they are now doing ?

Let's be honest here. We both know that the thieves want Mousavi to be their man in order for them to hold onto Iran again. The election was fair and free, but yet the thieves in the U.S. creat all sort of problems and claims in order prolong a problem. You think I am stupid and not know this. I have been study thieves' move for the last 10 years and I know thieves never like election.

I regret to believe ay that the final vote totals were created several weeks ago by the mullahs.

Iran isn't a Western country where you can simply vote the opposition out of power by having more votes than the other candidate/party. 

Its a theocracy where the divine leader makes the rules as to who can run, and in case of unforeseen difficulty, can correct the vote totals to what he is sure Allah really wanted.

Its a theocracy where the divine leader makes the rules as to who can run, and in case of unforeseen difficulty, can correct the vote totals to what he is sure Allah really wanted.

Isn't that exactly what the u.s. Govt. do in places like, Iraq, Afghan and yes Pakistan to make sure the puppet's they installed are re- elected? LOL.. they even hide them (malaki) in the green zone to rule from there, knowing he would get his head blown off if he dared show's his face outside. Yep..democracy at it's best. What a farce.

When are you going to tell everyone what unfortunate nation you call home Cyberer??

Canada? Go figure.

A liberal democratic nation that you obviously despise and hate.

The farce is that you believe that there is equivilancy in claiming that supposed abuses in one area justifies abuses in another.  Why don't you just admit that you believe that democracy is flawed because it elects candidates that don't agree with you and that people are better off with rulers selected by clerics?  Contrary to what you said, no one disputes who won the last election in Pakistan or that elections in Iraq correctly counted the votes.  The same for Afghanistan.

But, and this will be coming out soon, will believe that the elections in Iran weren't misreported by the ruling clerics.  

The president of Iraq WHO EVER it may be is nothing more than a theocratic puppet. The religious Mullah’s rule Iran, not democracy.

Well, it look's like Ahmadinejad got quite a lead in the vote counting. If the new's is correct. The turn out for voting was very high. 80%. Regardless of who win's in the final count, I wish them all well.

cheers.

cyberers.

Iran is what? The seconded largest producer of crude oil in the world? LOL!!

AmadeMADjad has brought Iran to its lowest productivity and highest inflation ever. They deserve another 4-years of him.

The president of ''Iraq'' WHO EVER it may be is nothing more than a theocratic puppet.

LOL....finally you agree with me.

If you mean that the Iranian president is a useless mouthpiece for a group of old men hiding behind a 7^th century ideology they little understand and use it as a means to control the population, they YES, we agree.

lol..I was just quoting you. I know you made a mistake and typed Iraq instead of Iran in a previous post. You have to lighten up man. It's only a posting board. Word's on paper. What we say today will soon be forgotten. A new page will come up and no one will even remember what we said. Or even care.

cheers...

Cyberers.

Your words “hiding behind the 7^th century ideology” is a ridicule.

Can you answer the following case study question using your 21^st century ideology?

Tom was married to Linda and has two children. Tom divorced Linda.

Later Tom married Rosemary ( a divorcee) who also has two children by her previous marriage. Rosemary has had two more issues by Tom. In terms of wealth Tom’s net assets total approximately US$ 6 million but Rosmary is almost penniless and works as a kindergarten teacher.

Tom is 42 years old and left no will when he suddenly dies in road accident, survived by his first wife Linda, and their two children and second wife Rosemary and her four children.

Can you tell me Mr. AmGI  using the  modern, advanced, progressive,  dynamic American Law of inheritance,( or any other country in Europe) how Tom’s US$6 million worth of estate will be  divided? Who gets the lion’s share?

Are Linda, Tom’s first wife and her two children entitled to any share in deceased Tom’s estate bearing in mind he left no will?

Refer to the 7^th century edict on the Law of Inheritance ( THE HOLY QURAN)

In case you are unfamiliar the Reference is Chapter 4: Verses 11 and 12

Ignorant people like you are quick to condemn Islamic Laws and system showing your ego, empty pride and overbearing scholastic ability. May God Guide you to the true path. Best regards.

Some people are blind, deaf and ****, these vital body organs fail to perform the required functions and their hearts are filled with impurities and venom and hence the light of guidance, righteousness and justice do not enter their thinking.

 You are one such individual.

 Instead of answering the question, you are ridiculing and discrediting. Clean your heart of impurities such as ego, falsehood, hypocrisy and lying and then you will get enlightened.

You are a fanatic who is unable to understand that EACH AND EVERY religious ideology has its own beautiful teachings.

You say the Quran was plagiarized, there are 6000 odd Verses in the Quran, I challenge you to show one verse which is exactly the same as the Bible. Your comment has no logic but blind hatred.

As per the Bible daughters of Nuh had sex with the father after making him drunk and sleep ( whether it is  physiologically possible, is a different question altogether) and David had committed adultery with some army officer’s wife, and he mistook his daughter in law as a ***** when he was looking for one, but you read the Quran, it corrects all these blasphemies on the mighty prophets. 

May God Almighty Show you the right path.

Democracy can take several forms. Every form of democracy has its flaws, whether it is the British model or the American model. Orientalists and pro neo-con scholars like Daniel Pipes and his ilk keep condemning Iranian democracy simply because Iran’s National Constitution says that the Iranian Parliament does not hold the absolute right to make and pass any law.

Non-Muslims fail to understand that a Muslim nation’s constitution is only the secondary constitution and the Primary Constitution is the QUR’AN. I give one example to illustrate this point.

In all the non-Muslim countries of the world the law allows, outside the wedlock, consensual sex relation between a male and a female (adults). The thinking of the law framers follows the ideas of ethical societies, that is, if two adult individuals enjoy sex by consent, the national law should allow that, rather than trying to discourage and throw hurdles.

Where as in very many Muslim countries (even in a liberal Muslim country like Turkey) consensual  sex relation between unmarried adults is considered as a forbidden act, a wrong doing or a crime and even if a huge majority of the Members of Parliament want to pass a law on this based on Western countries, it is tantamount to violating the Primary and God-Given Constitution: The Qur’an.

In Iran for instance, this job of guarding the principles enshrined in the Qur’an is looked after by the Guardian Council which scholars like Daniel Pipes consider undemocratic. I am not disputing their right to hold such views after all they live in a different sort of environment where Church Clerics solemnize the marriages between homosexuals and probably lesbians right in the Church.

God conscious Muslims will  never allow Islam’s Primary Constitution to be polluted and diluted just to suit the whims and fancies of the profligate modernity, either in the name of democracy or freedom of expression of individuals.     

"The president of Iraq WHO EVER it may be is nothing more than a theocratic puppet. The religious Mullah’s rule Iran, not democracy. "

The worst thing for humanity is for thieves in the U.s. who had killed, rob, and torture Iranians to stop about democracy on their behalf. It is like a rapists trying to promote freedom for their raped victims.

Iranian like any other democracy is not run by one person alone or one group alone. Each branch of government are responsible for different thing. I dont see Iran any different.  For example,when dealing with international issue and thievery, the Mullah have a big influence due to thieves in the U.S. ongoing threats, economic strangalation, and intimidation. The thieves don't want Iran to succeed so they will do anything to change regime to their liking, but the fact is only Iranians and its government can do things for the Iranians.

As-Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh:

 We are never to pity them or to be prideful of them.

 We are to help them and pray for them.

 If you are in Gaza sit in the Masjid and learn from the Imam everything about the religion such that you have the knowledge of Islam that you can be a Mufti or Imam. A baker of bread having knowledge of Islam such that he can be a Mufti or Sheikh with such knowledge that he can go and teach Islam to the most learned in Al-Azhar.

 If you are in Egypt, you must dig to Gaza and find the means to feed, clothe and provide nurishment to them. That is the duty upon you. Not standing in the streets waving signs, you only get tired arms. Dig to them and provide them the food they need and clothing so that they don't go naked.  

In the West Bank, what you are supposed to do is to oppose Fatah. You do not oppose Fatah by standing in the streets waving signs or going to the UN to get non-binding resolutions against Fatah.

 In the west bank you must do everything you possibly can to throw out secularism. That is what the US and Israel want for us. They want us to be 100% secular. That is the lifestyle they want for us. Deprive them of what they want.

 Know that Fatah is implanted like the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein in Iraq. They will take you in the night time and you will not be heard from.

 If there are laws made to make it illegal to wear hijab to work, send 1,000 women wearing hijab one after the other to apply for work. If they make it illegal for males to wear kufi, send 2,000 males wearing turbans with thick beards in Thawbas to apply for jobs.

 I have doubts about Hamas. There are reports that Hamas was formed by the Israeli Mossad in order to subvert the PLO. We don't know about Hamas.

 IN ANY EVENT; WHETHER YOU ARE IN EGYPT, GAZA OR THE WEST BANK: DO NOT LET THE IMAM, MUFTI, SHEIKH LEAVE THE MASJID UNTIL THEY HAVE TAUGHT THE WHOLE CONGREGATION ISLAM SUCH THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM CAN LEAVE THE MASJID A MUFTI, SHEIKH OR IMAM.

 Let there be talks about how paper money is RIBA. When I get a bank loan, the bank writes that money in a ledger book or computer memory. The money being loaned to me is not in the bank vault. It is made then and there when the keys are typed. The fitnah of this is that money is added to the money supply and people aren't being paid any more for the work they do. Prices increase and people are either forced to take out bank loans that they know they cannot pay or take to the streets, kill people, steal in order that they can survive to see tomorrow. RIBA.

 Do not let the Imams, Muftis, Sheikhs leave the Masajid until they have taught you all this.

 Was-Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

The thieves in the U.S. were hoping that by constantly condenming the Iranians' right to protect their country by developingnuclear energy and military defense capability, their potential puppet will win the election against the Iranian nationalist leader Ahmadinejad. It was a devastated defeat on the part of the thieves in the U.S.

It is not a not surprise that thieves in the U.S. came to doubt the election even when the margin is so huge, but don't seem to doubt the election in Iraq when potentional nationalists voters were basically threatens and some were snap out of their bed to torture camps in order to get Maliki in power.

The thieves in the U.S. were talking as if the Iranian are so **** that they fall into that kind of trick. Like Ahmadenejad said, the people had awaken. Now that the democratice system in Iran is confirm strong, I think it will be much harder for the thieves in the U.S. to threaten them with chaos and miseries.

It's certainly strange and shameful that some so called muslims are supporting the American agent Mosovi against Ahmadinejad. Hasn't Ahmadinejad been a strict barrier against western policies? Iran is the ideal country to follow for any country in the world that is being expolited by the west. It's hard for the west to digest his fame and popularity among iranins that's why US and Europe rejected the election result as soon as it was out and their dollar supported liberals were on the roads within a short time.

Had Ahmadinejad the fame and popularity you claim, how do you explain the millions of Iranians who march and demonstrate against his (and the clerics) dictatorial rule?

If he's so great, why all the turmoil in Iran?

And if the revolutionary party is so powerful and popular, why do they have to rig elections to stay in power?

Yes, Ahmadinejad certainly does. Mosavi is the leader of only the upper class which is in majority in Tehran (That's how he could gather up so many people for protests), while Ahmadinejad is popular among lower middle and lower class (mostly living in other cities and rural parts of the country)which has been having hard time for years because of the upper class ones.

We like Ahmadinejad the best!!