I'm sorry you think so.

Hamas has brought nothing but more pain and suffering to Gaza.

The West Bank on the other hand is enjoying much more peace and interaction with Israel because Fatah sees a future side by side with Israel.

As long a Hamas maintains the policy that Israel must be destroyed, and continues launching rockets into its territory, Gaza will suffer and suffer greatly, as you currently see today.

Greetings and May Allah be with you always.

            I cannot understand the mind of Hamas no matter how hard I try.

            Poking Israel with insignificant rocket attacks calling it “resistance”.

            Try as I may, there is no excuse for this position Hamas has catapulted the people of Gaza into.

            And the cowards that call themselves Muslims?

            Where are you as the people of Gaza scream for compassion and help?

            Where are the people of Islam in this dire time of need??

            I’ll tell you were they are. Marching in the streets shouting “Death to Israel, death to America”, when they should be shouting to the leaders of THEIR OWN nations “WHERE ARE YOU WHEN PALISTINE CALLS OUT IN PAIN?”

            I tire so much of listening to all the asinine reasoning.

            The Palestinian people cannot match the military capacity of the Jewish State. YES I SAID IT, the JEWISH STATE!!!

            It’s time we come too terms that for now and the near future, the nation of Israel is a fact. It will be Allah who decides for how long our bothers in Palestine will wait to return.

Not stone throwing teenagers or rocket wilding militants will change the status of Gaza or the Palestinian people as a whole.

            Shamefully, we can’t even find peace amongst ourselves.  

The deaths of our children, our mothers and fathers in Palestine cannot be made any less painful by calling them “martyrs”.

We cannot deny the facts on the grounds or in the political circles simply by verbal threat.

The leadership of Hamas (or lack there of) shows how desperate the Muslim nations are for TRUE and WISE leadership.

How can you ask an organization such as Hamas, who has no other agenda than bringing war to our lands in order to make that final conflict with the Jews happen, to govern wisely?

You can’t.

Arab nations must step up NOW and bring forth a Palestine agenda.

One that expands Palestinian territory through negotiations and through unselfish contributions from our Muslim brothers that surround us.

Rich Arab nations should offer a compensation package to Egypt in acquiring the area of desolate land known as the Suez Peninsular.

This area contains several benefits for a new Palestinian nation, to include access to the sea in which Israel cannot blockade.

A simple strip of land, 30 miles in depth that goes from the Mediterranean Sea in the north, to the Gulf of Aqaba in the south.

There’s very little in the way of civilized communities in this region, and with some financial aid and some skillful leadership, this area could easily reduce the pressures currently faced by our brothers and sisters in Palestine.

In the east, Jordan could contribute a strip of their land, starting in the West Bank, heading south down the Jordanian/Israeli border into the Gulf of Aqaba.

Then, bringing political reasoning to bear, Israel could allow for a small connection between the two most southern points of this new creation, locking the two strips of land together along the Gulf of Aqaba, completing the new and whole nation of Palestine.

To be fair and sweeten the proposal, it’s obvious that Palestine will have to stop all militant activities against the Israeli state.

Also, a peace treaty, recognizing the nation of Israel, and its right to exist as a whole and complete nation, living peacefully side by side with its Arab neighbors.

Then there is the issue of Jerusalem.

Other than the Holy Al-Aqsa mosque, there is no real connection that Palestinians have over Jerusalem that the Jews themselves cannot also claim.

“If anyone has killed one person, it is as if he had killed the whole of mankind”. (Holy Quran: 5:32)

Yes, I know Palestinian families have been ejected from their homes in Jerusalem. It breaks my heart too, but the fact of the matter is, unless a dynamic miracle occurs, the Palestinians will never have the strength to pry Jerusalem out of Israeli hands.

Some hard decisions will have to be made on BOTH SIDES to find a lasting peace.

Arrangements for a “corridor” to be accessible for ALL Muslims who wish to peacefully visit the Holy Al-Aqsa Mosque 24-hours a day, seven days a week, with no check-points or Israeli interference must be made.

Jews must also have access to the Holy Wall of David so they might pray in peace.

If we could somehow get our Arab brothers to FINALLY make REAL and TRUE sacrifices for our Palestinian brothers, other issues could be faced to bring LIFE and STABILITY to a region that has known little of both for a long time.

Distillation plants and a pipeline running from Saudi Arabia up through the new Western Palestine (so royalties could be collected and help support the new nation) and connecting with a refinery would bring thousands of jobs to the new nation.

Water brings life, and with several fresh water depositories, solar technology and advanced hydroponics could make Palestine the fruit basket of the Middle East.

It can be done if REAL MUSLIM NATIONS would step forth and help!!

YES I SAID IT, the JEWISH STATE!!!

Arab nations must step up NOW and bring forth a Palestine agenda.

One that expands Palestinian territory through negotiations and through unselfish contributions from our Muslim brothers that surround us.

Rich Arab nations should offer a compensation package to Egypt in acquiring the area of desolate land known as the Suez Peninsular.

This area contains several benefits for a new Palestinian nation, to include access to the sea in which Israel cannot blockade.

A simple strip of land, 30 miles in depth that goes from the Mediterranean Sea in the north, to the Gulf of Aqaba in the south.

In the east, Jordan could contribute a strip of their land, starting in the West Bank, heading south down the Jordanian/Israeli border into the Gulf of Aqaba.

Also, a peace treaty, recognizing the nation of Israel, and its right to exist as a whole and complete nation, living peacefully side by side with its Arab neighbors.

Other than the Holy Al-Aqsa mosque, there is no real connection that Palestinians have over Jerusalem that the Jews themselves cannot also claim.

Jews must also have access to the Holy Wall of David so they might pray in peace.

If we could somehow get our Arab brothers to FINALLY make REAL and TRUE sacrifices for our Palestinian brothers, other issues could be faced to bring LIFE and STABILITY to a region that has known little of both for a long time.

Distillation plants and a pipeline running from Saudi Arabia up through the new Western Palestine (so royalties could be collected and help support the new nation) and connecting with a refinery would bring thousands of jobs to the new nation.

Water brings life, and with several fresh water depositories, solar technology and advanced hydroponics could make Palestine the fruit basket of the Middle East.

It can be done if REAL MUSLIM NATIONS would step forth and help!!

I just can't believe you guys!! Are you Wassim who pretend to be Muslim and can not even play the Muslim role and trying harder now? And here you come saying

 May Allah be with you, Our Arab brothers

Then ask your dear Arab brothers to Help the Zionists steal Palestine and the Arab brothers give the Palestinians parts of their land!!!

Look here, You turn out to be a complete failure because:

1-We're ready to give our souls to our brothers in Palestine.

2- Palestine is a holy land, Palestine is not for the Palestinians alone, it's an Islamic heritage, an Islamic land. If the Palestinians would give it away to the Zionists which I'm 1000% sure they won't, WE, the Arab and "REAL" Muslims would not give it away. If the Palestinians would stop fighting you, which I'm 1000% sure they won't, We Will Fight YOU till Judgment day.

P.S. That's not my personal opinion; this is the opinion of the REAL Arabs and Muslims.

Open the TV, watch aljazeraa and look at the news and demonstrations round the world against the Israeli massacres in Gaza.

So, take a deep breath and wait… We Will See Who Will Laugh at the end!!

You people are simply SO LOST!

FTT tries to present a solution to a problem stald and mired in religion and politics and you call him a sellout??

First of all, I've been on this forum a LONG time and I've read a lot of FTT's stuff.

He's a reasonable person that seeks solutions, not a die hard fanatic willing to sacrifice everything for nothing.

Logid has to be used to get somewhere in this conflict.

If your idea is for Palestinians to continue dying by the hundreds, well then that doesn't sound like much of a plan now, does it??

At least FTT is throwing out ideas and looking for probable solutions.

I think the biggest thing in his post that falls on Muslim DEAF EARS is to get the so called Muslim brothers to help out in some form or meaningful way.

What's so wrong with that??

dear face the Truth,

this old fashioned imbecile propaganda (was tried in the late thirties of the last century) it is old. Jews had tried that in Almadina at the times of Mohammed (peace be upon him) 15 centuries ago. And it simply never worked. whoever told you that it works knows you're ****. And dumber you look as you cloth your zionist rhetoric in painful suppression of your true identity. Relax, and breath. look behind, and scrutinise your present, and gather pieces of your courage and say with me: F16 cannot detect the people's faith and shoot it.  Palestine is tough. Palestine is tough. Palestine is tough. 

As for your funny geography distribution of the area, i think it is easier for russian jews to go back to where they came from, Moroccan jews, the falasha, the Siphardies, you. it is easier to do, don't you think?

I think you do. Wise coward who asks people to face the truth and fakes it. 

hit me with some of your wisdom..

face the Truth, you should coin some concept like Wisdom with capital W, and introdice it to the forum. you know like Truth with capital T.  If Ben Gorion was resurrected, he would be embarrassed to say what you're here wisely chanting with quite a painful squashing of your true identity.

Think about the of concept  Wisdom, with capital W. you can do it. 

Greetings FaceTheTruth,

I hope and pray that you and your's may be safe and well.

Thank you for your post. It is very nice to have some reasonable words spoken on this Forum about the issue of Israel and Hamas.

You are very right that there comes a time to face facts about a situation. For now there is the physical nation of Israel. In due time the God who created all things will have the matters of mankind arranged as he wants them by means of his great power and wisdom. This will not happen by the short sighted goals and wars of men.

You well speak of the responsibilities of Muslims world wide to take real and useful action to assist the Palestinian people. Indeed it would be well for all people to seek a solution of peace.

I carefully went through a list of pictures that some one had posted of some of the events in Gaza. Among these pictures are many that could stand as evidence that Hamas was 'Poking Israel with insignificant rocket attacks calling it “resistance”.'  The crying shame is that Hamas, or any group seeking war as a solution, puts their self and the civilian population including children in danger by their unreasonable action.

I suppose that I should say now least someone condemns me for supporting one side or the other. Yes, of course all people should cry out in agony about the desperate situation of the Palestinian children. And also should cry out in agony at the desperate situation of the Israeli children. People should be horrified by a great many injustices that befall the children, the elderly, and the weak of this world during our time.

People that present the arguement that the world of Muslims is backing the action of Hamas because of demonstrations in the street shouting "death to America" and "death to Israel" show themself to be unreasoning, as well as to be promoters of hate and prejudice. 

For people who believe what the Bible says about the last days there is an explanation of why there is trouble in the world at this time. This is found at 1 Timothy 3:1-7. Which reads: 

 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.  For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,  betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,  having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.  For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires,  always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth. (NWT of the Hoy Scriptures)

Many people in the world today have the personality and disposition,  described nearly 2,000 years ago, that would be a sign of the last days. It would due each and every person well to examine themself as regards what kind of person they are. 

Until another time.

Ussarn

FK Israel and the Zionists.

We in Egypt are helping our brothers in the resistance with money and in the media and

we call on Muslims to attack Israelis – not jews - in any country they found them in.

We’ll respond to the aggression from Egypt and we know very well how to do it!!

Money and Media huh????

LOL!!!

But it doesn't seem that you're willing to shed your OWN blood for the Pal's cause.

Muslims just want to sit back and watch Hamas and Hezbollah fight their proxy wars.

Islmam, and its followers the Muslims, are the newest religion on the block.

Stop acting as if it's been around longer than mankind and the advent of any other religion.

I first want to apologize, for this is a POLITICAL discussion area and not a RELIGIOUS one, so I shouldn't have taken the bait and commented in that manner.

Secondly, I will simply accept your comment as that, a comment and leave it alone. There are areas on this forum for religious content.

Black rain --the right name with which you were christened suggestive of your dark evil side perhaps you are blind in both eyes. You see but not see --common with the blind, sometimes they see which they can't really see. You are in this morbid situation with pus in your eyes which everyone can sight is trinkling down on your dark face.

Israel is availing itself of the last supper of bloodshed with that donkey which is still shitting  in office until 9th January 09. It is a golden opportunity to strike under his terror reign when it is still hot, make hey when the sun shines as it goes. You, as a donkey on this forum, with being a nitwit nimcompoop --can't you discern that the Israeli attack was preconceived as a last round when that monkey is still in the White House. They[ the callous israelis ] are aware that they are the king under his evil reign. Satan would protect Lucifer albeit one is not better than the other. Both are disgusting maggots of pigs' faeces. They might not have a chance with the elect president. So it is time to strike when it is still hot.

It is written in their evil bible of that holocaust for their return. So their evil faith is grounded in bloodshed and war to credit their bible.

You are from a damned **** country with a present **** leader who has manipulated your twisted your pig brain even worse than your counterpart --that disguised donkey who is hiding behind a curtain under a disguised name of black rain.

What flows out of his gutteral orifice is foul expression no better than what flows out of his xxxxxxxxx.

His limited knowledge of the subject under discussion is very transparent and he seems to be forcing strenously, and i fear to advise him that he might under a severe condition of verbal diarrhoea. This is from what he is precisely suffering. His points which he raised are obviously available from the grave site where he would land as fertilisers with filthy maggots.

Everybody can discern his assertion with poor grasp of his knowledge and expression which he might be pooling from here and there.

Oh... PS.... As I said before, since this is a POLITICAL forum and not religious, I've forgone the religious responses.

But I did find it interesting you call the Bible a "Evil Bible".

Would you care to "clearify" your statement?

Right now you simply sound like an ill informed hater.

"Arab countries surrounding Palestine have over 2 million soldiers, spend over $100 billion on arms annually and dwarf Israel’s forces. Egypt alone has 220 F-16 fighter planes and 450,000 soldiers"

Very impressive!But I recall that in 1948,1956,1967,1973 the advantage of Egypt over Israel was even bigger,and besides Egypt  was helped by Syria,Jordan Lybia,Iran...

The results were so "impressive" that Egypt,remembering them,prefers not to try again.

I find it interesting you associate Russia and China (one that is still officially atheist and the other in the middle of a Orthodox Christian revival) with Islam.

I'm not sure I understand that association as "the winning side"?

Interesting usage of words. Gaza Holocaust?? A bit one sided don't you think??

Oh.. of course not, thinking fairly and reasonably wasn't what you were aiming for.

So, anyway, I think that the answer to stop the bombing of Gaza is real easy..... STOP ROCKETING ISRAEL!!

The Palestinian resistance has the right to send its rockets anywhere.

You're mistaken, it's not Israel, it's called occupied Palestine and we have the right to bomb our own land at any time and  anywhere haven't we?

Mr. Penko, do you know that the UN partitioned this land between Israel and Palestine.

And, by the way the real owners of this land are the descendants of the Canaanites not the Jews.

And you will bomb the Palestinians like you always do and kill innocent, starving people.  \

By the way, are you a JEW?

"Mr. Penko, do you know that the UN partitioned this land between Israel and Palestine".

No.And nobody knows.You´ve made a discovery,because in the entire text of  the Resolution number 181 on the partition there is  not a word about "partition  of this land between Israel and Palestine".The Resolution is very clear:the partition of PALESTINE IN TWO STATES :JEWISH  and ARAB.

Clear what it means?No?I shall explain.According to the Resolution,ANY Jew and ANY Arab are Palestinians.And the Resolution is right;Palestine is not a country ,and never was a country. It ´s a geographic area ,like Balkans,where Serbs,Macedonians,Croatians and other people live.They ALL are Balkanians.In the same manner,the Resolution number 181 said that ALL who lived at that moment in the geographical area called Palestine are-what?Right, PALESTINIANS. Good boy! Let´s proceed with our lesson. 

Israel recognized the Resolution . And all would be fine,and there now would be two states in Palestine:Jewish and Arab,if only Arabs recognized the resolution,too.But they did not accept it-and started the first war against Israel a day after Israel declared its independance on May,14,1948.Five Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq) immediately invaded Israel. Their intentions were declared by Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

And the Arabs were very frankly accepting that it was they who started the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

"The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight".

But tiny Israel created only a day ago beat your Arab hordes.

Next time,when you try to ask "ironic " questions,think twice;maybe the man you are asking knows about the theme much more than you.It will save you from standing in the awkward position,I mean nose in the mud.

"Mr. Penko, do you know that the UN partitioned this land between Israel and Palestine".

No,I do not know this.And nobody in the world knows.You´ve made a discovery,because in the entire text of  the Resolution number 181 on the partition there is  not a word about "partition  of this land between Israel and Palestine".The Resolution is very clear:the partition of PALESTINE IN TWO STATES :JEWISH  and ARAB.

Clear what it means?No?I shall explain.According to the Resolution,ANY Jew and ANY Arab are Palestinians.And the Resolution is right;Palestine is not a country ,and never was a country. It ´s a geographic area ,like Balkans,where Serbs,Macedonians,Croatians and other people live.They ALL are Balkanians.In the same manner,the Resolution number 181 said that ALL who lived at that moment in the geographical area called Palestine are-what?Right, PALESTINIANS. Good boy! Let´s proceed with our lesson. 

Israel recognized the Resolution . And all would be fine,and there now would be two states in Palestine:Jewish and Arab,if only Arabs recognized the resolution,too.But they did not accept it-and started the first war against Israel a day after Israel declared its independance on May,14,1948.Five Arab armies (Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq) immediately invaded Israel. Their intentions were declared by Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

And the Arabs were very frankly accepting that it was they who started the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

"The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight".

But tiny Israel created only a day ago beat your Arab hordes.

Next time,when you try to ask "ironic " questions,think twice;maybe the man you are asking knows about the theme much more than you.It will save you from standing in the awkward position,I mean nose in the mud.

Mr. Gdansk, when my nose got to the mud it found another one that had been there already for some time, YOURS.

I know all about the partition and all about that "Israel" accepted the partition and Palestine" (Arabs) did not.  I also know that the arab countries went to war with Israel and that "little Israel" all by itself won the war. Wow, good for them.

But did Israel accept the partition as it was implemented by the UN?  Not really Mr. Gdansk, they  are constantly taking land as they feel like. They have taken land from the arabs as they feel like while treating the arab people like animals to the point that President Jimmy Carter called it "Apartheid".  And if I am lying how come there is a huge wall around them?

And if I am lying about them taking land, why did the president or prime minister of Israel made the "settlers" or "squatters" move from arab land?  Squatter - settlers who occupy land without any legal claim. 

By the way I am not arab.

Watch Gaza Holocaust

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_btQAipiXo

Holocaust??

Obviously you don't understand the definition of the word.

It's a war.

Undeclared, but nonetheless, war.

Hamas is launching rockets into Israel with absolutely NO CONSIDERATION for civilian lives, so why should Israel care??

The leadership in Gaza has brought this latest disaster upon themselves and they will reap the rewards.

It's always amazed me how the Muslims feel that their is some sort of "give and take in equal measures" when war is waged against them.

It simply re-enforces how "out of touch" most Muslims are.

There's no such thing as Israeli civilians, they're occupiers and they are targets. If they want peace, they can go back home from where they came, or live as Palestinian Jews. The Egyptian Jews, if there are any, are welcome back in Egypt.

The Palestinian resistance has the right to send its rockets anywhere.

You're mistaken, it's not Israel, it's called occupied Palestine and we have the right to bomb our own land at any time and anywhere haven't we?

If you look on a map or ask anyone outside of the muslum world, you will see that the country is called ISRAEL.

Take a look at Elaine's (for example) profile flag..What does that tell you....it says ..OCCUPIED PALESTINE. check it out...

Since I've seen you comment several times as if the Israeli people simply do not exist, I thought I'd remark.

The UN has established that the nation of Israel exist and is official.

The lands called "occupied" are in fact, lands lost by the Arab nations who chose to ATTACK what they thought was an easy mark, those helpless Jews in what Muslims see as a non-existing nation.

Oh how many times have the Arab armies made the mistake of under estimating those weak little Jews.

You'd think after so many defeats, the Arabs would learn their lesson.

The UN offered to monitor and administer the border. It was UN trucks delivering supplies to Gaza; how could rocket parts come through UN trucks? 
  

If Hamas "Recognizes the right of Israel to exist" that would absolve Israel of all sins done against the Palestinian people. "We have a right to exist, as you recognize, we were trying to defend that right." The sinner walks.

And who says that Israel is the aggressor?USA,Britain,France,Italy,Germany,Poland ,Check Republic,even Egypt put the blame entirely on Hamas.Even the Arab countries and Turkey "condemn"- but do not say that Israel is the aggressor.

Who says this,then?Syrai,Iran,Cuba and North Korea?

The list speaks for itself;no comments are needed.

First of all I feel the passion in your sincerity of belief which I suppose guides us all. Belief is very powerful because it directs our thoughts. If the belief is false then we are guided by false beliefs. There is a chasm between belief and reality that causes one man to kill another. No nation rises up to kill another nation’s innocent civilians without having a belief system that says it’s ok to kill innocent women and children with military hardware. Where do we acquire our belief system; we acquire it from the television and radio shows and of course the Internet all managed by the media corporations currently promoting the idea that poor little Israel with a military force provided by God is the victim. I work to end violence and will never cease to work toward that end until the day they bury me, and in the course of seeking an end to state orchestrated violence I do quite a bit of research into ‘what’s really going on’.

Having said that I have to say within your paradigm of condemnation of states against Israel one could ask the question which states don’t condemn Israel. The question is meaningless between you and me. What difference does it make to the Palestinians that are now living in the utter havoc of chaos; bombs falling all around you and your children and there is nowhere to hide as to what we think or in someway debate. Get a grip on reality and pull your head out of this propaganda machine that says it is somehow ok for one government to punish another government by killing its unarmed non violent citizens with a God forsaken military war machine that literally grinds people into hamburger or vaporizes them in fire bombs.

 the answer: when the fat lady sings. 

but the question may also be: are they really targetting hamas? funny question, when you see the list of crimes that israel has cold bloodedly committed against children, women and unarmed men in the plastenian cities and villages. the number of genocides committed before the establishment of Hamas as a resistance movement will tell you clearly what israel is targetting in Gaza.

Trust me, the only reason israelis survive in palestine is because arab leaders are comploting with that illegiitimate state thrusted by a massive use of frce to subdue the owners of the land. israel cannot stand alone. these people are cowards. We knw them.  Hizboullah kicked their pig butts not long ago in a man to man ground battle. israel is powerfu when it comes to killing children, i can give israel that much credit.

hello,

isreal is not destroing gaza,the hamas does it.

did you ask your self way hania is hidig ?

way he doesn't help his poeple?

way hania is living like a king in his bonker when gaza poeple are in the street ?

way the hamas is a organizasion that was established to kill?

and disrespect the koraan ?

where is mohamd al dora? is a live ? or your hamas people killed him ?

stop to belive to the hamas

hamas is your anmy

 I am sorry but Israel's attack on Gaza was to get rid of the Hamas and quite frankly they have legitamate grounds to attack Gaza - as Hamas are not exactly the innocent ones in this whole conflict they are also responsible for civilian deaths in Israel too. They continued to fire rockets into Israel. What did you expect the Israelis to do - just sit back and watch Hamas attack their people. In my opinion there is only one group to blame for the latest attacks on Gaza and that is Hamas. They have put innocent peoples lives at risk and as they claim to be brave men fighting for he rights of Palestinians they hide behind the umbrella of civilians. IT IS SIMPLE FOR THE ATTACKS ON GAZA TO STOP HAMAS MUST STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL.

FOR ONCE CAN WE STOP JUST CONDEMNING ISRAEL AND ALSO ADD HAMAS ON THE LIST OF PEOPLE WE MUST STOP IF THEIR IS ANY HOPE OF ANY PEACEFUL SOLUTION BEING MADE BETWEEN TWO STATES WHO ULTIMATELY WANT TO LIVE THE REST OF THEIR LIVES IN PEACE.

Wasim08,

As an independent observer, I understand your point but I think it is not only counter productive but dangerous move if we list the Palestinian resistance movement of Hamas as the bad people and the thieves inside the robbery camp of Israel as the good guy.

We must realistic here when trying to solve the problem in Palestine. We must firt find the root cause of the problem and how it got started. We all know that this problem we have today did not start after the thieves inside the camp start arriving from Germany after WWII. So if we want to solve it, the worst way to do is to legitimize the thieves' robbery of Palestine. This move will worsen the problem and will even spread more to other parts of the world as robbery become a popular habit.

First we must tell the innocent Jews inside the robbery camp of Israel to move out of the war zone so that the thieves can be taken out by Hamas and other Natives' resistance group.

It is irresponsible for the thieves in Israel to keep hiding civilians using them as humanshields. If they want to keep continue to take over the land that don't belong to them, they should at least tell the Jews who claim to be innocent to stay out of the war zone.

First let me say something about the sea. The sea is impossible as an escape route without a boat. There are no boats at Gaza to accommodate the fleeing civilians from military attacks that Israel says it forewarned the people in the targeted areas of. There is no place to flee to; there isn’t even a checkpoint to gather around in hopes that the Israeli warplanes won’t strike their own ground forces that man them. What is going on in Gaza is a war crime perpetrated by Israel and cheered on by the Washington mob supported by the military/media corporate war interest. Last Friday December 26 the cease fire agreement between Hamas and the Israeli government expired (the cease fire lasted only five days after it was signed whereupon Israel then launched drone attacks upon the Hamas elected). The results of the cease fire treaty expiring is that Israel launches all out war against Hamas by putting the civilian population of Gaza under military attack. An elected government is not what Israel and the US want. What they want is to have the Palestinian people elect this stooge Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen). Since that didn’t happen the alternative was to punish the electorate. It’s not as if the West Bank picked Abu Mazen as the president of them and Gaza picked Hamas and therefore the wrath of Israel is deserved upon Gaza. Both sides picked Hamas but Israel needs a contrast of treatments to legitimize the attacks on Gaza where Hamas is headquartered.

Here is the psychology: If you have two dogs of equal temper and ability to fight; treat one with constant love and treat the other with nothing other than contempt, watch what happens; the neglected stressed out dog will bite the loved dog (love being a metaphor for the absence of air strikes by Israel against the West Bank civilians). This kind of overseering by Israel of the Palestinian people has cause the so called divide between Hamas and Fatah, not within the will of the people but instead a divide between the real government Hamas and the artificial one Fatah. Israel does not distinguish between the Palestinian people, only the governments that divide them. The West Bank has too many Jewish settlements to do anything but control it with land forces and checkpoints separate roadways, not to mention The Wall. Gaza presents no such obstacle since the so called Israeli pullout wherein all the settlers were removed thus beginning the Israeli control of Gaza by air, sea and land preventing all egress of commerce (food and fuel supplies) or people (hospital and educational access) as well as blocking news reporting from Gaza by the Western press as to the conditions that many call genocidal. There is no justification in what Israel is doing unless one believes that the killing and maiming of civilians is somehow a legitimate course of action should one government wish to punish another. By the way there is an election coming up in Israel and Israel’s wartime president wishes to remain in office. Ain’t it funny how thing’s works out?

If one is going to be re elected as a wartime president you gotta start a war. These people that launch orchestrated preplanned military strikes into helpless civilians to try and gain political capital are not even human. Israel is also the most regressive part of American foreign policy and I believe that Zionism is the key to unlock the truth of all that is wrong in the world today and that all of the world’s political deceptions are spawned in Israel by the Zionist cadre that continues to **** forth lies. There will never be peace anywhere so long as these devils remain in the details. http://www.organizedrage.com/

The Gazans have been under lockdown since 2005 they were destitute for the necessities of human life then and somehow now they deserve to be annihilated. Why? I will tell you why; to show the rest that the policeman on the beat is alive and well with Israel in control. When an Arab wants peace they mean leave my land, when a Jew wants peace they mean peace and quite i.e. we are in your land which is now disputed land so shut up while we bomb you and leave you with no escape other than death. http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/

RWandB,

 I can understand your point that too many rockets are being fired into the robbery camp of Israel where manyinnocent Jews were used as humanshields by the thieves who created the camp.

I think it is unfortunate too that the thieves who started this mess have to be taken out this way, but how else are we going to solve this problem. We know we can't talk the thieves out of their habit right. We tried that before. And we know we can't let the thieves in the U.S. who financed this problem in the first place to be the mediator either. Now if the thieves inside the robbery camp of Israel are tolerant like you said, can you convince them in a non-violent way that they should go back to Germany where they came from so that people can have peace? It is very simple if the thieves can just control their criminal behavior, and we know it is very addictive. Your lines of thieves encouragement is not going to solve the addiction, it is going to make it worse.

Song

There has been a war of deception on the part of Israel claiming that Hamas broke the cease fire agreement and fired rockets into Israel. The fact is on November 4 2008 Israel broke the cease fire when it killed six Hamas martyrs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

I wouldn't call any member of Hamas that is killed in War as Martyrs- and whilst i do have problems with the latest attacks in Gaza by Israel - mainly because innocent civilians on both sides have lost their lives - i am sorry i don't agree with you one bit - when you say that Hamas members die as Martyrs.

This is a groups that uses innocent people as human shields - uses buildings such as mosques and civilian homes to use as sites to launch their rockets. This is a group that could have avoided the latest war - but chose to ignore the call from israel - which was "when Hamas stop we stop".... and now what does the world see innocent lives being taken on both sides - because of a groups so ignorant and foolish - that it is willing to risk civilian lives- so that it can continue its campaign of violence. This is a group that encourages suicide bombers to attack Israel - even though they know that suicide is a major sin. Women even women - will be chosen to fight in their campaign of hate.

No they are no Martyrs - They are fools who believe that a solution can be reached with violence and hatred. When they know their is a choice ..... that they can use diplomatic efforts on order to achieve victory for their people.

Any Arab that dies at the hands of a foreign invader is a martyr. To die at the hands of the enemy of your country insures a ticket to heaven and therefore are considered a martyrs. I came to this blog with the expectation of speaking to those that know something about the situation in Gaza but now have to admit that it is truly appalling to see how little those that write in this blog know about the political hyjinx carried on by Israel concerning a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinian government either Fatah or Hamas. Israel has been totally disingenuous (operating with dishonorable intentions) concerning every step of the peace processes clear back to Clinton. There is none more knowledgeable concerning what goes on in Washington DC and Tel Aviv than a man called Zbigniew Brzezinski the foreign policy advisor for Jimmy Carter and long time Washington insider. He explains in this little video clip how that Israel has never bargained in good faith with the Palestinians. This guy is no flaming liberal when it comes to American foreign policy in that he wrote a book titled the ‘Grand Chessboard’ which explains how the US must bring down the Soviet Union.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mk18af8z9Y

http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

Israel has blockaded food, medicine and people from coming and going through Gaza borders ever since Hamas was elected to the point that Gaza is one big prison compound with Israeli fighter helicopters and warplanes flying overhead night and day so that the Gazans aren’t even allowed sleep. This was the reason Israel withdrew from Gaza so that it could ramp up this Palestinian holocaust without affecting Jews that would have otherwise suffered from the sonic noise bombs and the constant noise coming from overhead jets breaking the sound barrier day and night that literally drives the young children crazy. I call it a holocaust because Israel is now dropping chemical bombs that act on the respiratory system. The fact is Israel refuses to have any sort of peace talks with Hamas (the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people) claiming that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Hamas has a military and a political arm just as do all governments and to declare Hamas a terrorist organization is to say that all governments are terrorist which after watching the death toll rise in Gaza under Israeli attack seems to be true.

The IDF is a well trained and highly professional fighting force.

You're correct when you say "They learned something from the last war with Hezobllah..".

The IDF has been training for this conflict, anticipating that the same training the Hezyboys got from Iran will be the same given to Hamas.

I'm sure you will see the IDF go slow and take out Hamas strongholds one by one, piece by piece.

Of course there won't be much of Gaza not torn to shreds, but HEY, isn't that what Hamas wants??

Makes good TV.

I don’t agree that Israel learned from the Hezbollah, they learned from the Nazis, and what they learned is that if a government is clever and can manipulate its citizens to become fearful that they are under attack from another people the citizens of that country will feel justified in murdering the citizens of the other country. Before any war starts the people first must be mobilized to go to war and the way this is done is through propaganda. What Israel learned from the Nazis is that propaganda could convince the people of Germany to enter the gates of hell and kill even its own citizens (the Jews). Propaganda can turn people into murderous barbarians and this is what Israel is doing with its citizens as well as ours in America.

Yeah, the Jews are just all full of evilness. Of course all a sane person needs to do is read the response by Maryam95 to one of the most reasoned Muslims I've ever read on this site, FaceTheTruth.

This is the mentality the Jews fight against. The unreasoned on excepting mentality that sees no solution except the death and destruction of the Jewish people and its nation.

A people that no other Muslim nation is willing to die for, yet is to stuborn and stupid to realize it.

AmgI,

We've seen how joos fight mentalities. We've seen their reasonable debates erase whole families, and their academic approaches assassinate children in UN schools. We know what joos are fighting, thats why the whole world stand together to isolate their evil. Said otherwise, because israel is evil,  israel is not fighting, israel is being fought.

Israel is evil, israel is not fighting, israel is being fought.

The Jews are not fighting, they are attacking. This is not a war it is a massacre of the Palestinians by Israel. Where are the Hamas F16s and Apache helicopters? Where is the uniformed Hamas military and Special Forces? Where in hell is the rest of the world while this is going on in Gaza? This is not a war because war means two armies doing battle with an end in sight i.e. to gain some sort of settlement.

The only settlement Israel will accept is more of the same because the US produces the weapons and Israel uses the US taxpayer to pay the bill. To understand this military massacre of civilians one must look upstream as to its intended purpose; the intended result is to create more enemies to justify more need of military hardware.

Hooray for the Jews that have actually quantified hate and learned how to make money on it through the American taxpayer that so loves Israel and doesn’t even know why. Hooray for the military/media corporate propaganda machine that makes it so. Hooray for the CIA that engineered 911 and started this war on terrorism that is setting the world on fire that allows Israel to do anything it wishes. Hooray that Israel is going to hell.