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Thread: Hajj.. Share Your Experience


Permlink Replies: 7 - Last Post: Apr 3, 2009 3:56 AM by: amlh2000
Juplia

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Hajj.. Share Your Experience
Posted: Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM
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In days from now Hajj season will begin.

Have you ever been to Hajj?

Share your experience about that spiritual journey & How it changed your life?

AnasUser

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Re: Hajj.. Share Your Experience
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 2:00 AM   in response to: Juplia in response to: Juplia
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Hajj is a great experience which I pray to the Almighty Allah that I will be able to do it one day.


Bull


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Re: Hajj.. Share Your Experience
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 8:53 AM   in response to: AnasUser in response to: AnasUser
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It was a fabulous experience that I will carry with me to my grave.

I urge all of us to similarly go to our graves without hesitation and as soon as possible.

Regards,

Bull 



paluvakka

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IHRAM CLOTH FRM NON-MUSLIM COUTRIES.........WHY?
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 8:41 PM   in response to: Juplia in response to: Juplia
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The following is a challenging and an inspirational message to the entire Islamic Ummah on an aspect of Haj. I did my Haji in 1998.

In Saudi Arabia we find the Ihram cloth imported from China, Taiwan, Korea, Thailand and a few other non-Muslim countries. There are very many Muslim countries fully capable of manufacturing any quantity of white cloth for this purpose ( Ihram). When that is the case why allow import of Ihram cloth from Non-Muslim countries. This bewilders me immensely.

Organizations like OIC should seriously discuss this issue and try to change the attitudes of Muslim Governments. I dare to say the same thing about the import into Saudi Arabia, of other prayer materials like caps, turban cloth, prayer mats dumped into Saudi Arabia, from China and Taiwan. 

Is it impossible for Muslim countries to manufacture even these simple items which are used in the Solat? If the rich oil producing countries ( Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Libya, Qatar, UAE and Yemen) which according to reliable financial reports have more than 3000 Billion in US Dollar reserves and the reserves earn less than one per cent per annum as interest-it is a form of well organised financial swindle- invest just one percent of their reserves in some poor Muslim countries such as Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia ( to name a few) and set up textile mills to produce Ihram cotton sheets and other Islam based religious items, we help the Muslim countries to some extent to reduce their unemployment problems and at the same time encourage industrialization and economic independence .

Who would guarantee that the Ihram sheets imported from non-Muslim countries are clean and that they are totally free from the use of Najis mixed water in its spinning, yarning, processing and manufacturing process.

Simple folks like me never understand the prohibition of non-Muslims entering the precincts of Haram Sharif and Masjidul Nabawi, but when I saw tons of Ihram cloth made by unbelievers in the Saudi shops, it struck me like a bolt from the blue. If the above prohibition by Allah SWT had not been made, most probably Saudi Govt. would have made use of non-Muslims for the extension and renovation work at the two holy Masjids spending about 50 billion Riyals ( I am not talking about the present renovation but the one that was done about 15 years ago).

Most of this money also would also have gone to the Western contractors. Because of the prohibition, at least the Muslim masons, carpenters and workers derived some financial benefits from these huge projects.

Wallahi we do not know how many more decades will it take for us to realize the importance of economic progress and economic independence.

For how long are we going to depend on the Americans, the French, the British, the Germans, the Italians the Chinese and the Indians to bring in economic changes, industrial and scientific advancement?

Please consider taking some initiative in ensuring that most of the financial benefits arising from the billions of money spent by the two million pilgrims are redistributed among the Islamic Millat of the world. It is painful that a big junk goes into the hands of Non-Muslims who continue to become economically more powerful and the wealth that they acquire by exploiting us, is used to in fighting the so called CLASH OF CIVILIZATION more effectively and eventually to destroy , our culture and our cherished Islamic principles. Wassalam.



paluvakka

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IMPROVEMENTS TO HAJ FACILITIES:
Posted: Nov 22, 2008 11:35 PM   in response to: Juplia in response to: Juplia
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SAUDI GOVT., CAN DO  A LOT MORE TO IMPROVE HAJ FACILITIES.

Dear Brothers Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatu.

The following is a suggestion by me to be considered by various concerned Muslim thinkers and intellectuals in trying to improve the facilities for the pilgrims and reducing unnecessary inconveniences, insults, injuries and deaths to the pilgrims. Please come forward with comments, counter suggestions and further deliberations on this important matter. The following are my observation and some possible remedial measures.

1. At Masjidul Nabawi:

After every Solat is over, pilgrims both men and women rush out at the same time. There is extremely poor crowd control and the number of policemen at the gates and on the roads around the Masjid is minimal. It is a sad sight that women are caught in the middle of walking men and the ladies find it extremely difficult to cross and walk to their hotels..

2. Price Control

Even in large countries, there are Government Authorities ( in my country, the Department is called the Price Control Department) for controlling the retail prices. In very many countries it is a law that maximum retail prices to be printed indicated on factory package, but in Saudi Arabia, except in Supermarkets and large Department Stores, shops do not indicate the prices.

Approximately a million pilgrims, ( who do not speak Arabic, and hence do not know how to bargain/buy ) in very many instances, end up paying higher prices. The Saudi Govt can easily stop this exploitation and overcharging by issuing an order to all business establishments that on every item displayed in the shop, the retail price tag/label is obligatory.

This should include jewellery shops, hotels, and other service industries. Hotels should indicate the room rent in every room and at the reception counters. I saw this practice in Jeddah hotels, I do not see why not in the Hotels of Mecca and Medina.

The present system seems to deliberately favour the shop-keepers, transport companies, hotels and other service providers to exploit the poor pilgrims and make big and quick profits during the Haj season. This is extremely sad.

3.  Language Problem:

Notices at Masjids, Mina, Arafah and other public places should give the English, French, Urdu, Persian, Malay and Turkish ( a few other languages) version to enable large percentage of the pilgrims understand the information and inform others.

Versatile computers can be installed at various points which can give instant translation from Arabic into other languages and vice-versa. This will help the more educated to guide the less-educated. Large location maps must be printed and distributed.

For instance it took me about an hour to find out the office where I should pay the cost of my sacrificial animal. Well it was very close to the Haram Sharif, but how would I find out where it was. The people employed at the airport, Masjids etc should be trained to speak various languages or employ a few thousand expatriates who can speak different languages.

Saudi Schools should introduce the teaching of many languages to about 10% of its population. Same way other Muslim countries should introduce Arabic as a second or third optional language in their school curriculum.

4. Sanitation:

Wash-Rooms and Toilets: The above facilities are good at Haram Sharif and Masjidul Nabawi. Pilgrims in tens of thousands travel by road from Mecca to Medina and the other way.

The bus trip takes from 8 to 12 hours. And on the way, the buses stop for light refreshments, prayers and for the pilgrims to answer the call of nature. Wallahi, Billahi the toilet facilities along that 200 mile stretch of road are horrendous beyond anybody's imagination.

How on earth the Saudi Pilgrim Management expect the men and women who are in Ihram to go to the edge of the road to ease themselves without proper water facilities and toilet facilities? And where and how would they wash if their Ihram gets Najiz? The plight of diabetes patients, old folk during such trips is pathetic because they do pass water more often.

The Saudi Govt should give top priority in building proper modern toilets along the entire route from Mecca to Medina. They can build huge places of rest and recreation at every 30 miles stop. Considering the income the pilgrims generate to Saudi Arabia, the Govt. can do wonders to improve the situation. The sanitary situation is very much same at Muzdtalifa. The Hajj Management should line up hundreds of mobile water tanks at Muzdtalifa and portable toilets all along the route. These facilities are totally inadequate at present.

5. Several thousand pilgrims pray on the roads and pavements around the Haram Sharif but people do spit, throw food remains and make the place dirty. For better cleanliness every now and then, parts of the roads should be closed for pedestrians and thoroughly washed. This would bring more Barakah from Allah SWT. After all cleanliness is half of Iman.

It rained in Medina when I was there and the rain water mixed in sewage made the roads where people pray very dirty.

6. Foot Wears

It is very bad that people carry their foot wears right inside the Masjids: naturally quite often the Najis dirt stick to the soles of the foot wears and these tiny particles drop on the prayer carpet. I can understand if the pilgrims keep the foot wears inside a plastic bag before carrying them into the Masjids.

But 99% of them carry them in their hands assuming that there is no najis ( certainly a wrong assumption) This can be avoided if everyone who enters the Masjid is given a plastic bag at the entrance to place their foot wears, and then carry the bags inside the Masjids, rather than carrying the bare foot wears in their hands and placing them in front of them on the prayer carpet.

7.Stone-Throwing at Mina:

Massive improvements have been done within the last two years.

(i) Stoning the Shaitan is, though an important Sunnah, still it is a very symbolic act. At present the circumference of the circle around which the pilgrims stand and throw stones is about 50 mtrs. The pillar can stand where it is. But the present supporting wall around the pillars should be demolished and its circumference enlarged up to 500 mtrs. If the circumference can be enlarged upto 500 mtrs, something like 6000 people can stand around and throw stones towards the pillar.

There is no religious law that every stone cast should hit the pillar. My suggestion will prevent stampede( Insha Allah). Saving lives is a much more important Fardu act but allowing the pilgrims to die to perform a Sunnah act due to mismanagement is a big sin.

(ii) Modern technology based on automation is another way by which we can solve the stone throwing act. As suggested above, get the surrounding wall enlarged up to a circumference of 500 mtrs. Then, ban the pilgrims from carrying any stones or objects .

All the stones are to be factory produced at a standard size. And computer operated piston like pulling devices should be installed on the surrounding walls. And each pilgrim should be given the exact number of discs to be used and these discs are to be used to pull the device once only at each pillar and the computer synchronized device will pelt seven stones in succession. This system will put an end to unnecessary scramble and make stone throwing better organised.

8. Jeddah International Airport: 

The Hajj terminal at Jeddah is reasonably good. But the Jeddah International Airport is badly managed. There is simply no organization, no system and it is terribly crowded. It was difficult to find even standing room. I landed at the Hajj terminal but departed from the Jeddah International Airport, hence I was able to observe the facilities at both the airports.

A very old Turkish lady was lying down socked in her own urine and I went and asked the airport officials whether there was a lady official or a maid who could help, and to my great shock I was told that no nurses, no women security officials were on duty to help the sick old Turkish sister. This is pathetic.

The toilet facilities at the Airport were simply dreadful. There were far too many toilet doors that could not even be locked, and the toilet flush dysfunctional. The entire airport is wholly inadequate to handle tens of thousands of returning passengers.

Saudi Govt. has the resources to build one like Singapore or Hong Kong or Kuala Lumpur International Airport or even bigger than them. Allah SWT gives the rulers of Saudi Arabia huge incomes through the pilgrimage alone, so why the small airport at Jeddah.

Even trolleys, for the use of pilgrims, are in short supply at the airport. Some of us paid five Riyals for a trolley though it was against the regulation.

 9. TELEPHONE FACILITIES:

These require massive improvement. The Govt should install thousands of card telephone booths, and telephone SIM cards must be easily available at denominations such as 10, 20, 30, 50( Riyals). I walked into a Private owned telephone booth to send a fax home ( a short message about 200 characters) and I was charged 10 Riyals- the firm made probably 800% profit on a simple fax message. Firms operating telephone services are charging too much.

Even at Jeddah International airport I found only two telephones( using cards)in working condition. Compare this with Singapore Airport where passengers would find literally hundreds of telephone booths.

Wallahi, I have no private axe to grind and my suggestions were born out of total sincerity and good intentions. Allahu a’lam. Wassalam.

May Allah swt ease the journey of all the pilgrims who are assembling now to perform the Haj ritual within two weeksMay Allah swt accept their Haj and their reasonable supplications and enhance their iman and make them and us  live and die as mumins. A'meen.



Juplia

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Re: Hajj.. Share Your Experience
Posted: Nov 23, 2008 3:48 PM   in response to: Juplia in response to: Juplia
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Thanks Brothers for sharing your experiences.

May Allah give us all the chance to take that spiritual journey even if only once

Najmee

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Re: Hajj.. Share Your Experience
Posted: Nov 24, 2008 3:24 AM   in response to: Juplia in response to: Juplia
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Salaamalykum .

May ALLAH (SWT) give me the strength to perform HAJ ,once in my life time .

Najmee .

amlh2000


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Re: Hajj.. Share Your Experience
Posted: Dec 20, 2008 3:59 PM   in response to: Juplia in response to: Juplia
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Walikoam Salam In the Name of the Most Ardent the Most Compassionate my Hajj began when I was created and Allah, God the Creator breathed of His spirit into me and gave me life. From a young age until a number of years ago I experienced physical, emotional and other abuses along with positive events. The negative events contributed to my becoming very ill 15 years ago and my Hajj has been a slow but steady sacride journey through my life setting things right slowly but surely. My Hajj has involve an inner Hajj or sacride journey where I had to learn to accept the past, forgive and let go and strive to do things right from the beginning of each day. This Hajj has also involved dealing with Education, Counseling, Consultation and Medical Attention Groups sorted out for Skills Development. My Hajj has involved getting involved through volunteering in the community and with family to be more active in my participation in life helping me be more positive and garnering a sense of value and belonging. My Journey of Hajj has also involved learning about other religions, peoples, cultures, languages and this is strenthening my Iman. Most of all My Hajj has involved finding Great Hope within Myself Others and The World and Finding My Voice for Her (The Earth Personified) In this Hajj I have found my strong and weak points and inshallah the courage and strentgh to build up the weak ones. I thank all who have been part of my Hajj, My Sacride Journey. Salam Anne Marie Elderkin The Earth Personified is Risen


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