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Replies: 11 - Last Post: Nov 2, 2008 1:30 AM by: Illuminatiman

iec

Posts: 3,170
From: SA
Registered: 4/13/02

US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 9, 2008 1:10 AM

The US government's debts have ballooned so badly the National Debt Clock in New York has run out of digits to record the spiralling figure.

The digital counter marks the national debt level, but when that passed the $10 trillion point last month, the sign could not display the full amount.

The board was erected to highlight the $2.7 trillion level of debt in 1989.

The clock's owners say two more zeros will be added, allowing the clock to record a quadrillion dollars of debt.

Douglas Durst, son of the late Seymour Durst - the clock's inventor - hopes to replace the Manhattan clock with its lengthier replacement early next year.

For the time being, the Times Square counter's electronic dollar sign has been replaced with the extra digit required.

For its part, the digital dollar symbol has been supplanted by a cheaper version - perhaps a sign of the times for the American economy.

Some economists believe the $700bn bail-out plan for ailing US financial institutions could send the national debt level to $11 trillion.

Do you think that addition of extra zeros will be required in the near future?

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mariam

Posts: 1,572
From: puerto rico
Registered: 7/1/05

Re: US debt clock runs out of digits
Posted: Oct 9, 2008 7:36 AM

in response to: iec

it's scary,do you think something worse can happen?

AnasUser

Posts: 2,419
From: Egypt
Registered: 12/17/05

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 10, 2008 9:56 AM

in response to: iec

I think that endless addition of zeros will be needed as long as the American policy runs for creating wars and terrorism and since it is helping failed agencies that should bear alone the responsibilities of their actions.

mariam

Posts: 1,572
From: puerto rico
Registered: 7/1/05

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 10, 2008 7:06 PM

in response to: iec

they always lied to us there is not even a 24 hours watch,24 is nothing but 0.00,i don't belive in anything anymore.

mariam

Posts: 1,572
From: puerto rico
Registered: 7/1/05

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 10, 2008 7:07 PM

in response to: iec

i hope now they will stop calling people terrorist only cause they have a casio watch like they did to some guantanamo innocent prisoners.

Saladin

Posts: 662
Registered: 11/27/06

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 10, 2008 9:45 PM

in response to: iec

Bismillahirahaamiraheem

CAPITALISM's DEMOCRATIC credentials EXPOSED by the financial crisis

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The financial crisis has dramatically demonstrated the systematic FAILURE
of laissez faire market CAPITALISM.
******************

Revered free market principles such as freedom of ownership and MINIMAL
STATE INTERVENTION have been DISREGARDED at the drop of a hat when
the going has got a little tough in the West.

BELIEF in core PRINCIPLES really only matters when those very axioms are
CHALLENGED. Yet to capitalist bankers, their supporters in Government and to
the clique cheerleader media commentators basic PERSONAL INTERESTS
MATTER MOST.

One aspect of capitalism’s FAILURE that has drawn comparatively little attention
however is its DEMOCRATIC face. We’re repeatedly told how democratic capitalist
nations empower ordinary people to determine their destiny. DEMOCRATIC
societies are OPEN, TRANSPARENT and public servants are accountable and
ultimately answerable to the people. People power is what distinguishes the
democratic capitalist world from everywhere else.

However, the episode of this financial crisis has EXPOSED this democratic
CHARADE. The so called debate about this dire crisis and how it should be handled
has been between the bankers who created this mess and politicians who should have
been regulating them. The poachers and the gamekeepers.

******************************

CONSULTATION, openness, REPRESENTATION, objectivity and IMPARTIALITY
- all of which the West likes to associate with DEMOCRACY have been sorely

--------------------> A.B.S.E.N.T. ******************************
It is thus unsurprising that the outcome of this charade is a massive bailout for the bankers.

The people, hailed by democratic societies as sovereign, have been fodder. Yet it
is the PEOPLE who have been FORCED to sign up to billions in EXTRA TAXES for
DECADES to come. The politics and fear has been used by the capitalist clique in this
FARCE debate to CLOSE out any true DISCUSSION of the underlying CAUSES and any
discussion of true ALTERNATIVES.

It is the vast MAJORITY of people barely scraping a living who will SUFFER most
form this crisis and the proposed makeshift fix. Fewer public services for people at a
time of greatest need during a recession. The threat of unemployment holding down
higher pay demands in spite of rising prices for basic needs.

********************************
HIGHER TAXES for the vast
majority of
********************************

LOW PAID people TO BAIL OUT CAPITALISM'S failure and the DECADENT
excesses of a tiny minority of super RICH:
*****************

So much for liberal DEMOCRACY <<------

(from an online article)

(edit: more simply:

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CAPITALISM = POOR man gives MONEY TO the RICH man = EVIL evil evil evil
*****************

Alternative = Islam: the Rich man gives charity to the poor man = good

*********************************
DEMOCRACY = POOR man gives MONEY TO the RICH man WITHOUT any CHOICE = EVIL !
*******************************

Alternative = Islam: the Rich man gives charity to the poor man. PEOPLE CONSULT each other = good
__________________________________________

thepatriotreturns

Posts: 11
Registered: 10/12/08

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 13, 2008 12:00 AM

in response to: Saladin

oil at $86 and dropping and the need to drill at home = the end of ME and the billions ***** have enjoyed for many years....now what will they have when the west weans themselves from the arab oil, lol?!

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iec

Posts: 3,170
From: SA
Registered: 4/13/02

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 13, 2008 12:51 AM

in response to: thepatriotreturns

Bush begged the G-7 to help fix America's economic meltdown. He hopefully said "We're all in this together."

But nothing concrete came out of the G-7 meeting, as the European countries weren't willing to slit their own throats to help the U.S. Instead, right after the G-7 broke up, the European countries met in Paris and agreed to concrete proposals to protect Europe from the economic crisis.

Saladin

Posts: 662
Registered: 11/27/06

Re: US Debt Clock Runs Out Of Digits!
Posted: Oct 14, 2008 10:52 PM

in response to: iec

Bismillahirahmaaniraheem

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US Debt Clock Runs out of Digits
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The US Government’s financial situation is fast becoming a laughing stock.
Though it enjoys a large and diverse population, productive agricultural lands,
an innovative culture and some of the best universities, its debt situation have
become akin to a banana republic.

Trillions in debt already even if we exclude liabilities for Social Security or
Medicare, the United States is easily the world’s largest debtor. Jim Grant,
publisher of Grant's Interest Rate Monitor stated the following: "In 2000, the
Government was on the hook for $US29 trillion of guarantees, insurance
obligations and projected future payments to Medicare and Social Security
recipients.

Seven years later, the grand total of such projected future obligations and
payments was $US67 trillion." Even in America, this is big money, equivalent
to about five times the nation's total economic output.” Yet despite this colossal
debt, hundreds of billions of additional money have been printed and then pored
into banks and other financial institutions to maintain at any cost the stability of
the capitalist system.

And unlike Zimbabwe, the United States has a printing press which is able to
issue the world’s reserve currency anytime it is short of a few bucks. In the latest
humiliation the US government's debts have ballooned so badly that the National
Debt Clock in New York has run out of digits to record the spiralling figure.

Compare this to the Islamic system which ensures that all currency has to be
backed by either gold or silver, thus maintaining stability and financial security
for everyone.

In an Islamic Society, the only thing printing presses will be used
for will be printing books.
from an online article

Allah knows best

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Illuminatiman

Posts: 9
Registered: 11/1/08

Moderators Should Ban P orn Posters
Posted: Nov 1, 2008 5:33 PM

in response to: iec

Islam on P ornography: A Definite No NO

Every Friday we hear the Imam conclude his sermon by reciting the following verse of the Quran:

"Surely God enjoins justice, kindness and the doing of good, to kith and kin; and He forbids all that is shameful, indecent, evil, rebellious and oppressive." InnaAllah Yamuru bil adel, wal ehsane, wa itae zil qurba; wa yanha anil fuhshae, wal munkari walbaghi; yaizukhum lallakum tazakkaroon. (Quran 16:90)

P ornography and the culture of p ornography has all the three elements which God has prohibited in the above verse of the Quran: Fuhsha; Munkar, baghi. Here is a bit of terminology before we review the rest of the evidence prohibiting po rnography.

According to the Al-Mawrid Arabic-English dictionary of Munir Baalbaki, Fuhash is obscenity, vulgarity, indecency, shamelessness and something that is dirty, filthy and foul. Al-Mawrid's English-Arabic dictionary translates pornographic as Fahish. The Hans Wehr Dictionary Of Modern Written Arabic adds monstrosity, abomination, vile deed and fornication to its meaning as well.

Fuhsha, translated as anything shameful, is a Quranic term which in the Quran and Hadith has been used widely for unIslamic sexual behavior. The Quran uses it as in the above verse (Quran 16:90). It is a set of vices that embraces the whole range of evil and shameful deeds. Scholars of the Quran have included every vice which is intrinsically of a highly reprehensible character into this category whether it be fornication, nudity, public foreplay as depicted in films and photos, p ornography, hurling abuses and curse words, promiscuous mixing, or dresses designed to expose the body. At the highest level of Fuhsha, Allah has included adultery (Quran 17:32) and same gender sex (Quran 7:80; 27:54).

All scholars agree pornography is included in the term Fuhsha.

Al-Mawrid English - Arabic Dictionary describes Munkar as gross, abominable, detestable, atrocious, outrageous, flagrant.

As a major Quranic term it means something which is universally acknowledged as bad and immoral. This category includes all evils which have been unanimously condemned by the human conscience and which have been forbidden by Divine Law in all ages.

People of all faiths abhor p ornography. Even the norms of American society do not allow its propagation in mainstream newspapers and prime time TV, forcing it to hide in dark alleys. Those who are addicted to pornography try to watch it mostly discreetly. This indicates that it is a universally accepted immoral act which Quran calls al-Munkar.

Al-Baghi

According to Al-Mawrid English - Arabic dictionary, this term means wrong, injustice, outrage, and transgression.

Al-Baghi in the Quranic terminology means transgression and trespassing into the space and the rights of others, whether those rights be of God or of a fellow human being. P ornography is a transgression towards God as well as towards human beings and animals. The p ornographic industry trespasses on the rights of women especially by turning them into sex objects. P ornographic emails trespass the private email boxes of Americans at least four times a day.

God is Against Pornography (Fuhsha) whether Open or Hidden

"Tell them (O Muhammad): 'My Lord has only forbidden indecent acts, whether overt or hiddenÉ"

innama haram rabbial fawahisha ma zahar aminha wma batan.. (Quran 7:33).

Therefore, watching p ornography or other indecent acts in the privacy of the home or on the internet is also forbidden.

Allah Asks Us Not to Even Go Close to It

"Say to them (O Muhammad!) Édo not even draw near to things shameful–be they open or secret" (Quran 6:151 partial)

Éwa la taqrabul fawahisha ma zahara minha wa ma batanÉ

Allah has mentioned this instruction along with shirk and murder which means that Allah considered shameful things like pornography among the major sins.

Allah knows best. He knows His creation. He knows that we are weak. Therefore, He likes us to stay away from shameful things.

Those who Propagate Shameful things among the Believers

"Verily those who love that indecency should spread among the believers deserve a painful chastisement in the world and in the Hereafter. Allah knows, but you do not know." Quran 24:19

Innal lazeena yuhibbuna an tasheeal fahishatu fillazeena amanou lahum azabun aleemun fid dunya wal akhirate, wallahu yalamu wa antum la talamoon.

The words used in the verse (fahishatu) embrace all the various forms that might be used to spread shameful and lewd behavior though any means be it pictures, films, or internet.

Don't follow Satan

At several places in the Quran, God warns us not to follow the steps of Satan: "He will incite you for shameful things (fuhsha) and encourage you to do universally accepted wrong things (al-munkar) Quran 24:21

Restrain Your Gaze & Guard Your Private Parts

"Enjoin believing men to restrain their gaze and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is well aware of all what they do.

And enjoin believing women to restrain their gaze and guard their private parts and additionally not to reveal their adornment except that which is revealed of itself." Quran 24:30-31

Sayings of the Prophet: Hadith

No man or woman should look at the naked body of each other (unless married). Sahih Muslim

By God, I would prefer to be thrown from the skies and spatterred in parts than to look at someone's private parts or let someone look at my private parts. Narrated by Salman. Almabsooth kitabul istehsan.

Don't expose your thigh to anyone and don't look at the thigh of any person even if s/he is dead. Narrated Ali ibn abi Talib. Ibn e Maja, Abi Dawud, Darqutani. Tafseer Kabeer

Once someone's thigh was open in public. The Prophet said don't you know thigh is supposed to be kept covered? Jerhad Aslami. Muatta Imam Malik, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud

Allah has written for Adam's son his share of adultery which he commits inevitably. The adultery of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the adultery of the tongue is the talk, and the inner self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny it. Abu Hurairah. Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud.

Other Scholarly Perspectives

"It's absolutely Haram," notes Shaykh Muhammad Nur Abdullah. He is the Imam of the Islamic Foundation of Greater St. Louis in Missouri.

"If someone is looking at someone committing Zina (sex outside of marriage) whether it is in movies or pictures or the actual thing, it's all Haram," he adds.

"Pornographic pictures and movies are haram (prohibited). Muslims should not watch, sell or make such movies. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said: 'The eyes commit adultery, the tongue commits adultery, the hands commit adultery, the feet commit adultery and then the private parts confirm it or deny it." (Reported by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

"This means that watching p ornographic movies, listening to such songs or singing them, using one's hands and feet for this purpose, all these are sins that are related to Zina and then the final act of Zina takes place through haram intercourse." Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi

Logging in and browsing pornographic sites is forbidden because a Muslim is always commanded to lower his/her gaze, let alone give a loose rein to his/her eyes to look at the private parts of others.

May Allah keep us all safe spiritually and physically.

(You'll have to remove the gap between 'po' and 'rn' in the link below)

http://www.soundvision.com/info/life/po rn/isp orn.asp

By Abdul Malik Mujahid

Illuminatiman

Posts: 9
Registered: 11/1/08

Muslim Moderators Should Ban Abusers!
Posted: Nov 1, 2008 5:37 PM

in response to: iec

Practice what you preach. Those who break forum rules should be banned.

Islam on P ornography: A Definite No NO

Every Friday we hear the Imam conclude his sermon by reciting the following verse of the Quran:

"Surely God enjoins justice, kindness and the doing of good, to kith and kin; and He forbids all that is shameful, indecent, evil, rebellious and oppressive." InnaAllah Yamuru bil adel, wal ehsane, wa itae zil qurba; wa yanha anil fuhshae, wal munkari walbaghi; yaizukhum lallakum tazakkaroon. (Quran 16:90)

All scholars agree pornography is included in the term Fuhsha.

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Al-Mawrid English - Arabic Dictionary describes Munkar as gross, abominable, detestable, atrocious, outrageous, flagrant.

Al-Baghi

According to Al-Mawrid English - Arabic dictionary, this term means wrong, injustice, outrage, and transgression.

God is Against Pornography (Fuhsha) whether Open or Hidden

"Tell them (O Muhammad): 'My Lord has only forbidden indecent acts, whether overt or hiddenÉ"

innama haram rabbial fawahisha ma zahar aminha wma batan.. (Quran 7:33).

Therefore, watching p ornography or other indecent acts in the privacy of the home or on the internet is also forbidden.

Allah Asks Us Not to Even Go Close to It

"Say to them (O Muhammad!) Édo not even draw near to things shameful–be they open or secret" (Quran 6:151 partial)

Éwa la taqrabul fawahisha ma zahara minha wa ma batanÉ

Allah has mentioned this instruction along with shirk and murder which means that Allah considered shameful things like pornography among the major sins.

Allah knows best. He knows His creation. He knows that we are weak. Therefore, He likes us to stay away from shameful things.

Those who Propagate Shameful things among the Believers

"Verily those who love that indecency should spread among the believers deserve a painful chastisement in the world and in the Hereafter. Allah knows, but you do not know." Quran 24:19

Innal lazeena yuhibbuna an tasheeal fahishatu fillazeena amanou lahum azabun aleemun fid dunya wal akhirate, wallahu yalamu wa antum la talamoon.

The words used in the verse (fahishatu) embrace all the various forms that might be used to spread shameful and lewd behavior though any means be it pictures, films, or internet.

Don't follow Satan

Restrain Your Gaze & Guard Your Private Parts

"Enjoin believing men to restrain their gaze and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is well aware of all what they do.

And enjoin believing women to restrain their gaze and guard their private parts and additionally not to reveal their adornment except that which is revealed of itself." Quran 24:30-31

Sayings of the Prophet: Hadith

No man or woman should look at the naked body of each other (unless married). Sahih Muslim

Don't expose your thigh to anyone and don't look at the thigh of any person even if s/he is dead. Narrated Ali ibn abi Talib. Ibn e Maja, Abi Dawud, Darqutani. Tafseer Kabeer

Once someone's thigh was open in public. The Prophet said don't you know thigh is supposed to be kept covered? Jerhad Aslami. Muatta Imam Malik, Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud

Other Scholarly Perspectives

"It's absolutely Haram," notes Shaykh Muhammad Nur Abdullah. He is the Imam of the Islamic Foundation of Greater St. Louis in Missouri.

"If someone is looking at someone committing Zina (sex outside of marriage) whether it is in movies or pictures or the actual thing, it's all Haram," he adds.

Logging in and browsing pornographic sites is forbidden because a Muslim is always commanded to lower his/her gaze, let alone give a loose rein to his/her eyes to look at the private parts of others.

May Allah keep us all safe spiritually and physically.

(You'll have to remove the gap between 'po' and 'rn' in the link below)

http://www.soundvision.com/info/life/po rn/isp orn.asp

By Abdul Malik Mujahid

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