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Thread: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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by: Saladin
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Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 4, 2008 8:07 AM
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Some experts said that the $700-billion bailout plan suggested by Bush "can't keep us from having a recession.It'll just keep it from becoming much worse." Such historic sum of money must show a huge crisis, which refers to a big reason. I think US is about to have recession because of wars designed by Bush administration. US spent lots of money on wars against illusion. I think that politicians like the ones of Bush administration benefited alot out of these wars. However they let their country drown in the recent crisis. Do you think that waging wars against other countries is the real or only reason behind US recession? Lets make this issue clear
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 4, 2008 8:46 AM
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darsh
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Yes , the USA has fallen for the EXACT same trap that led to the collapse of ALL empires
From Roman and Greek to the British German and Russian empires
Wars of expansion is what leads them all to continue their insane megalomaniac expansion addictions until they have eventually bled their taxpayers to death
Its a lot like farming.{ as I know this area I will try and explain from my POV } , you must spend some money maintaining your farm so next years crops will be available , and not keep spending profits on unneeded activities , over time it will show up by less yields as your productivty slowly falls below a profitable leveland the collapse is then inevitable once a farm falls behind
If a farmer spends more and more living well , but failing to maintain his fences and waters and soil fertility , eventually his farm wont be able to deliver the crops or income to feed his family , likewise a country that wastes its good times wont survive a few bad years if the fences or water pipes or other needs money
The USA has been spending more and more on unwinnable wars while failing to maintain the well being of its own country , it can now no longer care for its own needs and will never be able o fix up its " farm " now it can no longer produce its own needs , it has wasted away its advantage on un winnable wars of expansion for Israel
Its house holders each owe over 500,000 dollars and can no longer even afford the interest
75 million USA baby boomers are now entering retirement with NOTHING put aside
Its really only basic maths needed to see where the USA is headed
The other 95% of the world will benefit as the USA will no longer be able to invade the hundreds of countries it now oppresses and will expand their buying power by 1% and replace the falling demand from USA
The USA is DOOMED to slide off the world stage exactly like ancient Rome and Greece and Egypt did long ago
Islam will replace the USA as the next world superpower, at long last Peace[ Islam ] will rule
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The wars and the recession are elements of a Zionist spoliation project
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Oct 4, 2008 9:14 AM
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darsh
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against the Humanity. The wars and the recession were very well planned still in the early nineties and even earlier. They knew the war on Islam would lead to economic apocalypse and had already set up this inevitable recession in their favor. The Zionist running U$rael needed the oil war and the recession following up to realize unprecedented benefits. So everything is planned, framed and the things are going according to this macabre schedule. Thus the "rescue plan" is destined to legalize the biggest spoliation in the American history. It also brought unprecedented benefits for the Zionist "bankers" while producing devastating effects on the populace. The recession didn't fail of skies, although the mainstream media didn't tell you about, because their Zionist masters pay them not to inform. Otherwise the "elite" knew and had scheduled the events of its oil wars; the benefits for the weaponry makers and the benefits for the financial "elite", everything is planned and framed. Best regards. Kirilova
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 4, 2008 4:48 PM
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darsh
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isn't the word bail use when somebody is in jail?
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 8, 2008 5:40 AM
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darsh
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yeah they paid halliburton billions to build cells in Guantanamo,however they should have build places for the homeless people here with all that money.
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 8, 2008 5:45 AM
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darsh
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they are trying to build Iraq while destroying america,people in Iraq has jobs now with america,they are getting paid $300 monthly,while people here in america are loosing jobs.
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 8, 2008 10:52 AM
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darsh
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Yes the continous wars had brought the U.S. into a recession. Why? If you built your economy base on the ideology robbery and mass killing, then you will failed everytime you have problem robbing quickly. The Iraq war was a war that had been planning by the thieves for years. I think their racists view of the Muslims people had gotten them into a big mess when they were supprized with very determined and brave resistance movement in Iraq. Even those that had taken the bribes and assumed the role of a puppet governmentship in Iraq had turned against the thieves by refusing to hate the Iranians as the thieves expected. The only way to solve this problem is to reverse course and abandon the habit of robbery as sole economic engine of the U.S. Song Yang
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 9, 2008 7:47 AM
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darsh
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now Bush wants the control of all these banks cause they spent the bail money in hotel and spa,this sounds like trouble
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 10, 2008 2:37 PM
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darsh
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Nope. The recession has nothing to do with the wars. The recession isn't being caused by government debts relating to wars. The recession is being caused by sub-prime mortgages in the private banking sector.
Quite the opposite, historically wars have been used to kick-start the economy like World War II which helped bring America out of the great depression. Wartimes lead to increased government spending on weapons and supplies which generate jobs in military-related industries and have a spin-off effect which actually fuels economic activity. Of course that's not a good reason to start a war either.
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The wars and the recession are just steps towards the final Zionist plague
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Oct 12, 2008 10:40 AM
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Gravy
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The current recession is just one element, very important really, of the Zionist Humanity spoliatiuon project. Thi shad been panned since more than 15 years. Don't believe in the lies of the fascist regimes, which pretend they were "suprised" by the economic collapse. The populace may be suprised, because brainwashed for years by the ruling regimes. But the events are not suprising for the establishment, as these events are planned and the plan is working as drawn by the Zionists. The war against the Islam had been only the means for realization of this disastrous plan. The oil wars largely contributed to the benefits of the weaponry makers; they devastated the financial security of the nations involved with these wars. Why did the economies of the only war criminals crashed? Why not the finances of Iran or Venezuela?
If till now the Zionist war criminals were ravaging Iraq and afghanistan, now their crimes against the Humanity are striking the western populace.
Time came for the most macabre stage of the Zionist spoliation project. After the crash, which happened already, and the spoliation on a large scale, which took place under the form of the "nationalization", carried out by the fascist regimes of US and UK; the punder plan is working normally for the Zionist financists.
However the so callled "bail out" is just a simple plunder of the national financial resources by the Zionist fascist mafi; and the worst is to take place, namely the extermination of millions of people in the West and around the globe, as a result of inhumane poverty and starvation, which this "rescue" plan is destined to cause.
So the recession was wanted and well planned and the wars that lead to it were necessary tools to reach the dreamed / by the Zionists / recession.
The people are mislead again by the mainstream propaganda, as they were mislead about the wars;
The only question is about t he reaction of thewestern populace to the Zionist extermination plan. That's why the westerners were subjected to immorality brainwashing; that's why the pornography and the drugs were longtime praised as the utmost "progress", that's why the populace was brainwashed by the "war on terror" buffoons. Because dehumanized people can't resist to the Evil.
However the Zionist ringleaders of this spoliation plague, the biggest in the human History, had made up their constructions against God. It's highly improbable their plan goes on till the end!
We'll see what will happen. Ku Kluks Klan pogroms, as the Zionists had projected to provoke inter-racial and xenofobe tensions to subvert the westerners from the real plague. They degraded the morality of the westerners so they believe the westerners won't resist, but will consume themselves by racial violence.
My prevision is that the "clash of the civilizations" will become class warfare, as the CNN already suggested it. So in spite of the Zionist masters, we may see soon the "Grapes of Wrath", instead of Ku Kluks Klan.
It'll be a fine show!
Poor westerners, I pity them.
Kirilova
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Re: The wars and the recession are just steps towards the final Zionist pla
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Oct 12, 2008 11:50 PM
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Kirilova
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we are already privy to a fine show with your daily **** of anti US and anti Israel propaganda....who are you really commie and do tell what is your true agenda? I think arab.
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Re: Do US Wars Lead to Recession?
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Oct 16, 2008 1:23 PM
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darsh
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Bismillahirahaamiraheem
In the Name of God, The Lovingly Merciful, The Most Gracious
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Will America become the new ‘Sick Man’?
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The term “sick man of Europe” was coined to describe the declining
situation of the Ottoman’s by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia in 1853. The
Ottoman territories were being swallowed by rival world powers,
increasingly falling under the financial control of the European powers
and the Ottomans had lost territory in a series of disastrous wars.
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The Ottomans Empire, who for nearly three hundred years dominated
the European geopolitical scene fell into debt, came to be continuously
manipulated by rival powers and fumbled in a state of gloom, anarchy
and decline eventually losing all independence.
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Nicholas I of Russia described the Ottomans as ‘a sick man - a very
sick man, a man who has fallen into a state of decrepitude, or a sick
man ... gravely ill.’ The Economic situation, political prowess, geopolitical
maneuverability and independence were all seen as indicators which
clearly the Ottomans had drastically lost over a period of 100 years and
declined in.
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The current global financial crisis has all the hallmarks of the USA being
the new ‘sick man’. Below are a few factors:
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1. The US is drowning in a sea of debt which the credit crunch crisis
has brought to the forefront.
The US generated nearly $14 trillion in 2007, however the national debt
– this is money the central and federal governments owe to the US public
and the world through the bonds they have issued - stands at $10 trillion.
The US citizenry have a huge appetite for imports and as a result
consumer debt stands at $11.4 trillion. The debts of US companies
amounts to $18.4 trillion.
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This makes the US indebted to the tune of $40 trillion
– nearly 75% of what the world produces.
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When confidence in the ability of the American government to repay
the debt dwindles, this will make those indebted nations to demand their
money back,
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which will lead to, amongst other things, speculative
attacks against the American government.
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If there was a State in the world, which was able to manoeuvre in the
economic climate and ► highlight this debt, ◄ then like the Ottoman
Islamic State, America will find that it is under the scrutiny of these
nations and -not- able to exert all its policies as it sees fit..
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2. The US trade deficit continues to balloon, the amount the US
imports compared to the amount it exports – in essence the
money the US owes to the world stands at $555 billion. The
financial crisis which began in the US raises a pertinent question
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about the sustainability of such high levels of consumption and
then how the debt that sustained such consumption will be funded.
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Western values of consumerism and greed are exacerbating the
trade deficit; additionally American economic policies over the
last few decades which has weakened America’s industrialised
base, hence restricting America’s ability to produce goods and
services cheaply. This mean America will still rely heavily on
China, India, Russia and other states for imports of cheap goods
to keep inflation domestically under control.
3. Both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are costing the US
$1 Trillion a year. This makes the $700 bailout looks like loose
change! With Afghanistan now in the balance after nearly seven
years of war and no signs of US victory in Iraq the US faces the
very series problem in funding these struggles. Much of the
recent Strategies such as the
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Surge have been built on “bribing” tribal leaders with large sums
of money; with the availability of easy money no longer viable,
this will impact on policy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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US spending is not sustainable
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The US like the Ottomans has now found itself in a precarious
situation where foreign nations are actually funding it.
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The US budget is not sufficient for the nations consumption
patterns as a result the US resorts to selling Bonds to the world
which it will repay over a period of 10 – 30 years in the hope the
US economy will by the time the Bonds mature have generated
sufficient wealth to repay them. 66% of US debt is held by
foreign entities, whilst 44% of this is held by China and Japan.
China has accumulated over $1.2 trillion in dollar reserves due
to this.
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Described as China's "nuclear option" China could
trigger a dollar crash if it decided the dollar was not worth
holding
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and switched to Euros at a time when the US currency
is already breaking down through historic support levels.
The US attempted to win both the conflicts in Afghanistan and
Iraq through propping up initially unpopular governments.
The failure to achieve any significant control in both nations
has led to the US to throw money at elements within the Sunni
faction as well as the bribes it already gives to elements of the
Shi’ah establishment. With the US economy teetering on the
brink of meltdown the continuity of such a policy of printing
money in return for loyalty is questionable and would have
huge implications for US future success in these nations.
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The US is also facing numerous political challenges in regions
of the world which only a decade ago it completely dominated.
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In the Middle East apart from needing the help of regional
surrogates the region is gradually shifting from being a uni-polar
region in which the US enjoys uncontested hegemony to a
multi-polar region.
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The US is facing more competition from China and Russia
over access to Middle East oil.
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The US is now increasingly competing with India and Japan
as well as the European Union for the lion's share of the
region's black gold.
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The US is currently suffering from a severe fever, where the
remedy continues to be more and more expensive intervention
by the nation’s doctors who are unable to stem the panic
spreading to all. The US has only $1.7 trillion in notes and coins
in circulation where the money will come from to repay US debt
in the years to come, alongside a falling dollar places the US
in a situation where it is now reliant upon foreign nations to bail
it out.
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We are going through remarkable times, and witnessing
the direct impact of American imperial hubris and overstretch.
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For Muslims, all that remains is the establishment of the
Khilafah
to take advantage of these times.
God knows best
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