Where were the Israeli's supposed to go? The lived in Germany and 8,000,000 were murdered because of their religion. If the United States can accept so many Palistineans and Muslims why can't other countires in the mid east accept all people. The United States doesn't care what religion you are to live in the United States we accept all people equally. 

Why do you think that NOT ONE muslim that pollutes the west has answered this very basic question. LOL, I know the answer but I am awaiting the reason straight from the horses mouth.

I think as a thieves worshipper and a thieves defender, these kinds of comments is not wise and good for the theives' cause.  The thieves' plan is to get Muslims to kill Muslims and they have manage to get some Muslims to become thieves worshippers and thieves loyalists.  Many Muslims in the U.S. are thieves worshippers and had kill their own in orde ro  earn the trust of the thieves, but if you and theives still bash them this way, I think any future robbery activities will become much harder than the one right now in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, and Afghanistan.

song

I would just like to say that before you continue on with what you percive as knowlegde you might want to know that American prior to 1776 was a british colony, that europeans began settlements of the Americas in 1546, before man had developed the entire world. At the time american declared its Independance from birtan, and established the USA, The american population exceeded that of the Indian population (which isrealis still til today do not). Currently the citzens of the USA have granted Indians thier own land in which they practice their own form of government, no US government activity is allowed on these lands.

I am palestinian and I have had the mind to reasearch my history from a unbias sources. It is true that the Zionists are criminals, prior to 1948 there was no Isreal. The political Zionist of Europe had convinced both opposing sides of WWI to grant them the land of palestine. The Ottamans or The British would have both created Isreal there was no avoiding it. Also God himself predicted the creation of Isreal and that We muslims would fight them till the end of days. On the british side, they had an agreement that the palestinian population would not be expelled nor would it be harmed but assimulated into the new Isreal. When Israel did the oppisite of what it promised, the USA took over its protection.

The USA is the only country in the UN who is not apposed to Israel's practices for one reason. The christans citzens of the USA believe that the jews must populate our region before Judgement day, these christains are of the odd variety that cannot wait for Judgement day becuase they are so sure of thier place next to god that they don't realize thier form of extreemism is also going to send them to hell. So anyway they will ensure that the jews will continue to occupy our lands so that judgement day can come so that they can kill or convert all the jews as well as muslims and take palestine for themselves.

If I undestood you correctly, you are saying that the Americans who kicked the British out,and formed the USA, were innocents of all the genocides committed against the indigenous population? BTW, the estimates are of 13 millions red Indians decimated to a bare 237 000 by the 1840s or even before. Don't forget US atrocities such as the 'Trail of tears' and there has ben many of those.

As for your argument that the Indigenous were given their own land, I find this risible; you invade my house, take 80% of it and give me 20% and claim to be doing me a favour, exactly what Nazi zionfascist Israel trying to coerce the Palestinians to accept.

The religious argument as to why Americans turn a blind eye and support Nazi Israel's brutal occupation is but one side, but not the main one. The USA has been for a good 60 years an Israeli colony in all but name, your democracy is no different to that of China, even worse, your Foreign Policy is conceived in Tel-Aviv, your politicians and Law makers,would never be voted for and keep their positions without an understanding that they are to toe the Israeli line or else. You can vote as much as you want, you are deluding yourself. Israeli agents at AIPAC, the American Enterprise Institute, the Israeli Americans that have secured influental positions at the State Department,at the Pentagon and the likes of Solomon and Lehman Bros,ensure a smooth colonisation, no guns, no tanks, with a smile it is, so cry O 'Land of the not so Free'.

Can you please convert the book to PDF format and distribute it.

Jabil

Israel will never be defeated because they are the chosen people of God.  God promises to defend, uphold, increase, bless and prosper His people, the Jews.  Look at their history....they have been ruled and enslaved by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians.  And then they suffered through the Holocaust.  Today they are still scorned by the entire Arab world.  But throughout their history God has always kept a remnant.  God has always protected and prospered them against all odds.  Do you think after so many thousands of years of protecting the Israelis that God will not continue to do so?  The Jews are Gods chosen people and those who bless them will be blessed and those who curse them will be cursed.  I am not writing this to be antagonistic....just stating what I know to be true.  The good news is that the same God of Israel extends His hand to all mankind, Jews and Arabs alike.  He is a God of peace and love and His message is one of mercy, grace and lovingkindness.  God loves the Jews, the Arabs, the Americans, the Africans and all races.  We are all His creations. 

Of course theres a difference, a man who robs ur house and lives in it is different to a man who buys a house in the same street as you.My point is that the palestinians have been driven out of thier lands , and now live horrific conditions - all so that isrealies can live in luxury , thats simply not fair. Muslims or any religious group who live in the usa are living with them LEGALLY i.e they havent killed or destroyed american homes so that they can live there.The state of isreal is ILLEGAL since palestinain homes and lands have been destroyed or taken i.e it was an invasion NOT JUST A MIGRATION. There would be nothing wrong if jews lived with palestinians in isreal and shared the land equally - BUT IS THIS THE CASE.

I'm a Palestinian and I am against the criminal Zionists and their supporters but........... aren't Muslims living in America as guilty as Zionists living in Palestine?

I am not a Muslim, but as a neutral observer I still think these two cases are not the same.  Here is my explaination. The Muslims living in America is very different from the thieves who create robbery camp inside an existing nation of Palestine.  The Muslims in America respect the culture, the government, and does not kill, torture, and force the people inside the nation out and refuse to allow them to return. Therefore the Muslims in America are welcome and even being grant as citizen by us American.

Now if the Jews help the Palestinian get rid of the thieves inside the robbery camp of Israel who are now using young Jews as humanshields, I am sure the Palestinian will welcome these Jews into their country.

Song

ISRAEL AND JUDEAH.

Palestine has never been called Israel and Judeah, they were called palestine since the old kingdom in Eygpt. Isreal and Judeah were tribes that ruled palestine, prior to being called palestine it was called Cannan. Please take your history someplace that is not the old testmante becuase it is an exxageration of the truth.

Israel and Judeah were small warring kingdoms.

Can you tell us what was before them?

How long did they last?

"Israel and Judeah were small warring kingdoms"

Just like practically ANY arab country today

"Can you tell us what was before them?

Before them?

Before them there was a land called Canaan,with  which you arabs have no relations at all.

"How long did they last?"

Almost 500 years.How long did ANY arab state last in Palestine?

The answer is 0 hours 00minutes

I am sorry I think i wasn't clear the warring kingdoms of Isreal and Juedah inhabited what was then called Philistine It had been called Philistine since before Abraham, Arabs entered it after it was called philistine, we did not name it so. at the time of Abraham there was a great drought in Yemen where the arabs orginated from and where they orginally lived. Many of the Arab tribes left Yemen in search of water, many went to the fountin of Zamzam and built a city along side of Hajar and her son Isamil, others went to the fertile cresent, parts of it which are  now lebonan, syria and palestine. So arab have been in palestine a long time as well as the hebrew tribes who later became jews, who some later became christians, who some late became muslim. This land does not belong to any conquering force it belongs to the indegenous population, who are made up of jews, christians, muslims, and armenians. All who may not have orginally called them selves Arab or palestinians but have come to Identify themselves as such after hundreds of years of inhabiting the land.

good question,hoever i don't know the answer,but next time they try to teach me a song wich mention Palestine at church,like they did when i was a child,i will first tell them to look it at the list of countries first,to see if there is such a country,i hate how ignorant i was and i still am.

very good question! i dont think they had any specific name! but i am sure they were called many bad names!

regarding muslims living in usa! they are there for their own benefits and if they fight or complain only for their own benefit! in general muslims in usa are so weak compare to other muslims in other western country! despite of the quanlity!

yes i am american muslim and i am weak and i am worried the day i die cause i can't even afford to get burial in this nation and i don't want my family to go beging for money for my funeral,if i can't afford to die,how do you think i can afford to leave?

Palestine

Been there before, still there,

will always be there inshAllah..

we are strangers there

you mean you jews ***** person hiding behind a proxy server

you will leave this land and you will not live in peace there till you colonizers leave the land and if you stay there, by the Will of Allah, you will not even REST IN PEACE.

Been there before, still there?

And what was there "before"?

Are you insinuating that Palestine, a region/area who received its name from the Roman occupiers long after the Judaic Kingdoms, has somehow displaced factual history?

Total -and senseless - lie. If you don't agree, tell me when this "Arab state of Palestine" was created, who was its president (King, Sultan, Prime Minister), what was its capital, what was its currency?

Its name was "Arab state of Palestine"

This is truly a historical fact, I didn't fabricate it.

I spoke to you using certain dates and specific numbers, but it seems that you are shallow-cultured.

Here are the answers for your questions:

-Arab Canaanites were the first people who lived in the land of Palestine since 3000 B.C. after many wars, and then the Arab Muslim's conquest of Palestine happened in 636 A.D. The Arab-Islamic identity became   "Arab state of Palestine"

-         Palestine was judged by the Islamic State Governor Like all Arab Islamic States, the last Islamic governor of Palestine was 'othmanic sultan' 1917 when the British conquered Palestine .

-         The Palestine capital city was and is still Al Quds.           

-         The Palestinian currency was the Palestinian pound.

Are we such cowards that we can not simply say:"Yes,we conquered Palestine" - and have to invent stupid and evident lies to find excuses to our conquest?

"We"????  You mean Arab and Muslims???

No we are not cowards at all; we didn't conquer our "Arab state of Palestine".

But if you still insist to believe that we are cowards, we are all withdrawing so you can enjoy being "the only coward"

And the truth is very simple:it is the land on which the Jews lived for 3000 years.And we simply conquered it.

And the truth is very simple, maybe more than you can understand.

"Arab state of Palestine" is the land in which the Palestinian Arabs lived for over 50,000 years _historical fact_ and Jews simply conquered it. And we'll retrieve it soon.

And this is even MORE stupid because anyone can Google "Palestine"- and in 2 minutes find the truth about it.

Do you know what is the most STUPID of all from my point of view?

Your way in arguing. You never mention any dates, numbers or even one single fact.

By the way I Googled "Palestine" and here's a sample of the search results:

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/palestin.htm

       wish you benefit from them

http://www.palestinehistory.com/index.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/palestin.htm

     wish you benefit from them

You,evidently,do not understand the text you are reading.Let´s open the link  http://www.palestinehistory.com/history/brief/brief.htm#01

you gave as "the proof" of your point of view that Arabs lived in Palestine long before Jews.

What does it say?

It says the following:

"3'rd millennium BC : The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine. They became urbanized and lived in city-states, one of which was Jericho . They developed an alphabet. Palestine's location at the center of routes linking three continents made it the meeting place for religious and cultural influences from Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, and Asia Minor. It was also the natural battleground for the great powers of the region and subject to domination by adjacent empires, beginning with Egypt in the 3d millennium BC."

Not a word about Arabs.Canaanites - and Egypt.Canaanites were not Arabs.And Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs,either.

Let´s proceed with your link.

"2'rd millennium BC : Egyptian hegemony and Canaanite autonomy were constantly challenged by such ethnically diverse invaders as the Amorites, Hittites, and Hurrians. These invaders, however, were defeated by the Egyptians and absorbed by the Canaanites, who at that time may have numbered about 200000".

Again,not a word about Arabs.

"14th century BC : Egyptian power began to weaken, new invaders appeared: the Hebrews, a group of Semitic tribes from Mesopotamia, and the Philistines (after whom the country was later named), an Aegean people of Indo-European stock".

So,Philistines came to Canaan together with the Hebrews.Both were invaders.Hebrews came from Messopotamia,and Philistnes were the Aegean people.

Where are the Arabs?In Arabia.

And read again the phrase "the Philistines (AFTER WHOM THE COUNTRY WAS LATER CALLED) ".So,Palestine was called so LATER.And how was it called BEFORE?

"1230 BC : Joshua conquered parts of Palestine. The conquerors settled in the hill country, but they were unable to conquer all of Palestine.

1125 BC : The Israelites, a confederation of Hebrew tribes, finally defeated the Canaanites but found the struggle with the Philistines more difficult . Philistines had established an independent state on the southern coast of Palestine and controlled the Canaanite town of Jerusalem".

Again,not a word about Arabs.Israelites,a confederation of Hebrew tribes,fighting with Philistnes-Aegean people fom Greece-over the control over the Canaan.

"1050 BC : Philistines with there superior in military organization and using iron weapons, they severely defeated the Israelites about 1050 BC" .

Nothing about Arabs.

"1000 BC : David, Israel's great king, finally defeated the Philistines, and they eventually assimilated with the Canaanites . The unity of Israel and the feebleness of adjacent empires enabled David to establish a large independent state, with its capital at Jerusalem".

So,the Jews finally defeated Philistines and found their Kingdom with the capital in Jerusalem.And it happened 3000 years ago.

Arabs were still in Arabia.
"922 BC : Under David's son and successor, Solomon, Israel enjoyed peace and prosperity , but at his death in 922 BC the kingdom was divided into Israel in the north and Judah in the south ".

Hebrews divided into Judeah and Israel.Arabs go on sitting where they lived-in Arabia.

"722-721 BC : When nearby empires resumed their expansion, the divided Israelites could no longer maintain their independence . Israel fell to Assyria.

586 BC : Judah was conquered by Babylonia, which destroyed Jerusalem and exiled most of the Jews living there. Nebuchadnezzar entered Jerusalem. The Temple was sacked and set fire to, and razed to the ground. The Royal Palace and all the great houses were destroyed, the population carried off in chains to Babylon. And they lamented on their long march into exile".

539 BC : Cyrus the Great of Persia conquered Babylonia and he permitted the Jews to return to Judea, a district of Palestine. Under Persian rule the Jews were allowed considerable autonomy. They rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem and codified the Mosaic law, the Torah, which became the code of social life and religious observance. The Jews were bound to a universal God".

So,the Hebrew Kingdoms-Judeah and Israel-ruled over this land,then were defeated-but only 50 years later regained control.The author calles this land "Palestine",but

 this name did not exist inthe times of Cyrus the Great.The land was called as it was called ALWAYS:JUDEAH.

And it was called so until Romans came.Read what your link says.
"333 BC : Persian domination of Palestine was replaced by Greek rule when Alexander the Great of Macedonia took the region. Alexander's successors, the Ptolemies of Egypt and the Seleucids of Syria , continued to rule the country . The Seleucids tried to impose Hellenistic (Greek) culture and religion on the population.

141-63 BC : Jews revolted under the Maccabees and set up an independent state.

132-35 BC : Jews revolts erupted, numerous Jews were killed, many were sold into slavery, and the rest were not allowed to visit Jerusalem. Judea was renamed Syria Palaistina.

So,the name "Palestine" appears only in 35 BC.And BEFORE this,the country was called "JUDEAH AND ISRAEL".Arabs go on sitting in Arabia.

63 BC : Jerusalem was overrun by Rome. Herod was appointed King of Judea. He slaughtered the last of the Hasmoneans and ordered a lavish restoration and extension of the Second Temple. A period of great civil disorder followed with strife between pacifists and Zealots, and riots against the Roman authorities.

Herod was the KING OF JUDEA.Not of Palestine.Have this in mind

37-4 BC : During the rule of King Herod the Great Jesus of Nazareth, peace be upon him was born. And years after, he began his teaching mission. His attempts to call people back to the pure teachings of Abraham and Moses were judged subversive by the authorities. He was tried and sentenced to death; "yet they did not slay him but only a likeness that was shown to them."

70 AD : Titus of Rome laid siege to Jerusalem. The fiercely defended Temple eventually fell, and with it the whole city. Seeking a complete and enduring victory, Titus ordered the total destruction of the Herodian Temple. A new city named Aelia was built by the Romans on the ruins of Jerusalem, and a temple dedicated to Jupitor raised up.

So,Romans also renamed Jerusalem in Aelia.Will you call it so?

And the Arabs?Where are they during all these events?

In Arabia,where they belong.

Wish you benefit from this(although I doubt)

Listen you misunderstood, it is okay if a land was called smething else before at the time of cannon, (there are no such things as arab cannaites, the cannonite culture has pretty much died out by 2000BCE) the were no arab we desended from the Summerrians, and the persians descended from the Assayrians. I use no dates becuase I am speacking cronlogicly. Also I never said Arab envaded, Arab migrated there for various reasons, when the islamic army envaded, it was to free palestine from the tyranny of the byzantines, we institued no law agianst either christan or jew, and there was relative peace. Arab palestinians have thived between the jews mainly becuase we dealt with cash transactions, no intrest, palestinians and you would only know if you were palestinian, are very good bussiness people.

Please do not reply to me in anger we are all adults I am an unbias historian, who is also palestinian, you can learn from me or you can read bias, unproven, extreme literture online.

Also remember that God said in the end of days the Jews would take Philistine, and when the prophet Isa comes down we muslims will fight with the christians agianst them. What we must concetrate on now is securing our place, making sure our families are not harmed and fighting for thier rights. We cannot change what God said would happen, instead of fighting the west we should show them how to open thier eyes.

What is your real name? You don't even have the intelligence to **** your venom without being found out.

As a Jewish zionfascist, you are only fooling yourself,all the posters to this forum are aware of who you really are.

Come out of your shell, and lighten up this forum with your intellect, but then fake one have no creditable intellect.

Change your ID if you want, we will always expose the fraud that you are.

What was Israel's name before 1948??

Your question looks so smart, and the simple answer would be:

Its name was "Arab state of Palestine" with Arab population 98% and only 2% of Palestinian Jews.

The majority of the current Israeli citizens were no more than a Poor persecuted Jews living in isolated alleys 'gettu', dispersing throughout Europe and forming is better than representing a heavy burden that Europe wish to get rid of

Let me add another important question,

How was the current Israel formed?

- During the British occupation of Palestine, Thousand of Jews from allover Europe migrated to Palestine.

 With the help of England, Jews were able to go to Palestine and possess Palestinian's lands as well.

- May 1948, once the British mandate has ended, the Jews migrant who owned only 6% of the Palestinian lands, declared the establishment of Israel.

-Before the war of 1948, Palestinian Arabs were about 2 million citizens, while the number of Jewish immigrants was no more than 650,000.

- Only few years later and through the support of the West and the U.S.A, Arab passiveness, doubling Jewish immigrants, and the Zionist terrorism against Palestinian citizens…

The current Israel was formed on the ruins of "Arab state of Palestine".

http://resistance.jeeran.com/massacres/gallery.htm

Gallery OF Zionist Massacres

I mean Muslims.First Arabs,then-Turks.

"IT SEAMS AS YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD THINK SO"

If it were so,Israel would not have existed by now.But it exists.So,i am not "the only one in hte whole world who think so".

You will prove nothing by insults.

excellent reply Huda

simple and comprehensive reply

let those ***** understand and stop shouting any how and without any sense

I do not think we have any right for Palestine.To
> be honest,we conquered it.Now those who lived in
> Plaesitne long before we
> came-i.e.Jews-returned and took it
> back.

All is fair.What was taken by the
> sword-by the sword will be lost.

Again..jews have a gift for twisting or telling half truth stories...if you want to argue on religious grounds as to where the jews belong well no where ,,, in the old testiment and new one...it is clearly stated that because jews kept commiting sins and disobeyed god over and over and over.. god became displeased with them and expelled them from their land and forbid them to establish or own any land for them selves until the end of time..that they were to co-exist amongst people all over the world...Israel doesnt exist on our map. palestine belongs to the palestinians...(jews can live there) but have to wait in line..fill in the applications and wait for interviews ..to live in palestine ...we will do it the same way any country does when they invite imigrants into their countries! ( and yes criminal background check will be in effect)

Total -and senseless - lie. If you don't agree, tell me when this "Arab state of Palestine" was created, who was its president (King, Sultan, Prime Minister), what was its capital, what was its currency?

Its name was "Arab state of Palestine"

This is truly a historical fact, I didn't fabricate it.

I spoke to you using certain dates and specific numbers, but it seems that you are shallow-cultured.

Here are the answers for your questions:

-Arab Canaanites were the first people who lived in the land of Palestine since 3000 B.C. after many wars, and then the Arab Muslim's conquest of Palestine happened in 636 A.D. The Arab-Islamic identity became   "Arab state of Palestine"

-         Palestine was judged by the Islamic State Governor Like all Arab Islamic States, the last Islamic governor of Palestine was 'othmanic sultan' 1917 when the British conquered Palestine .

-         The Palestine capital city was and is still Al Quds.           

-         The Palestinian currency was the Palestinian pound.

http://littleprincess208.multiply.com

Are we such cowards that we can not simply say:"Yes,we conquered Palestine" - and have to invent stupid and evident lies to find excuses to our conquest?

"We"????  You mean Arab and Muslims???

No we are not cowards at all; we didn't conquer our "Arab state of Palestine".

But if you still insist to believe that we are cowards, we are all withdrawing so you can enjoy being "the only coward"

And the truth is very simple:it is the land on which the Jews lived for 3000 years.And we simply conquered it.

And the truth is very simple, maybe more than you can understand.

"Arab state of Palestine" is the land in which the Palestinian Arabs lived for over 50,000 years _historical fact_ and Jews simply conquered it. And we'll retrieve it soon.

And this is even MORE stupid because anyone can Google "Palestine"- and in 2 minutes find the truth about it.

Do you know what is the most STUPID of all from my point of view?

Your way in arguing. You never mention any dates, numbers or even one single fact.

By the way I Googled "Palestine" and here's a sample of the search results:

http://www.palestinehistory.com/index.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/palestin.htm

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/palestin.ht

 Canaanites were Arabs-although Canaanites did not speak Arabic .

Independant "Arab State of Palestine",as "all the arab states",were governed by Turkish Sultan.

The Palestine capital city was AlQuds-although the "State of Palestine" never existed.

The Palestinian currency was Palestinian pound-which was printed in Great Britain and circulated as currency in Palestine only during the British mandate.

And,to crown this mountain of stupidities,you make the sensational archaeological discovery that "the Palestinian Arabs lived in Palestine for over 50,000 years",which means they were ancestors of Neanderthal.

You know,in YOUR particular case I think you are right;judging by your intellectual level,you can easily be a creature which lived before Neanderthal.

I knew that Arabs who live now are intellectually devolving.But I did not know that the process went so far.

And you seriously hope to gain support for this pile of awkward and clumsily fabricated lies?Only from Arabs,maybe(pre-neanderthalians, I mean)

Muhammad, I don't know where you get your information #1, Arab are not cannites if it were so then you just have proven the arab were there first becuase canninite inhabited palestine in 3000 BCE, and it was the first real civilization. Arab orginated from Yemen, At the time of Arbraham the Arab left Yemen becuase  of a Drought, that when the migrated to rest of mesopatiama and began settling in the areas we know to be Palestine, Lebonan, UAE, Sudia Arabia, Iraq, Iran (yes arab also settled in persia), and Syria.

I would like to know where you get your information, and why a muslim so hateful to his arab brothers. Are not Arab, if so where are you from, I would like to know more about you please e-mail me at Lhamed@comcast.net.

The Arab Cannanites lived in Palestine long before the jews migrated there from egypt. The Palestinian claim is historically much stronger than the zionist jew claim on your land.

Fight and never give up, we are all with you. The Palestinians are among the bravest lot of people I have ever seen. I am a pushtoon not a Palestinian but my advice is that you must keep defending your honor, your family, your religion, your right to freedom from jewish oppression, and your right for a free Palestine.

My nation is also under western attack (although through proxies). They don't fathom our strength and our resolve, but we will show them.

The Arab Canaanite lived in Palestine long before the jews migrated there from egypt. The Palestinian claim is historically much stronger than the zionist jew claim on your land.

This has always been one of the greatest tragedies of the Arab/Jewish conflict, proxy warriors.
All around the world, Muslim with no affiliation to the Middle East continue to use misinformation to cheer the poor war weary Palestinians on with little concern as to the high price they've paid, and continue to pay.

Propaganda filled with blatant lies instead of factual reality. This is the greatest drawback to peace.

The truth of the matter is strength and power gives one the best position to bargain. As Palestinian cities are bombed at will, the Palestinian resistance has been negated to a few 1950 unguided rockets slamming into hills sides and empty warehouses.

While dozens of Palestinians are killed daily, outsiders cheer on the destruction with statements like yours.

It's sad, very sad.

The Arabs may have no right, but the palestinians who are the direct descendants of the Canaanites, the moabites, the hittites, the perizzites, the Hivites have every right to Palestine, The jews were supposedly ordered to exterminate them under command of 'the first Zionist' namely, Jehovah, they didn't do a good job of it, the original inhabitants survived the invading genocidal Hebrew Tribes. What we are witnessing now, is the second Hebrew attempt at completing what, they would have us belie, was jehovah's command to  carry out the first Divinely ordained genocide on record, don't forget that the command included slaughtering the lot even the babies.

The tribes who lived there before the hebrew invasion were not Arabs, the Palestinians, you now agree are not Arabs.

Why should the world believe Zionist claims to mythical Zion, on a document written 700 years after Moses(pbuh) Sinai revelation, in 2 sections, 400 years apart, one  under Chaldean bondages, the other 400 years after,by scribbes who edited most of Moses 9 books, falsified, and hid much of their content from the outside world.

No, we are not fooled by this Zionist hoax to mythical zion, if you as a zionist Jew believe the'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' to be a hoax, so we, as muslims believe your evidential claim to zion to be  flimsy and utterly legless.

Can't you see that everyone in this forum know you are not a Muhammad, have nothing in common with a Muhammad, and much in common with with your brothers Reinhard heydrich, aka the'Bold beast' , a Nazi jew and Hitler's Marshall in prague and slaughterer of 600 000 Jews + 400 000 Gypsies, Homosexuals, and handicaped, and your other noble brother Adolph Eichmann, active self Jew hater who dealt a lenghth with his zionist brothers, and dined with them in Jerusalem and throughout Europe. Be brave, adopt one of their names,it will be more fittin for you , no need to masquerade as anyone else, you will be at home then.

You are right Arab are not Caninites, however a Palestinian is a person who lived in the country they now call Isreal before 1948, they consited of Arab Christians and Muslims, of Hebrew Jews, and of Armenians. The arabs who live in Palestine have had ansestors that migrated there over varoius pionts in history. The earliest Arab migrated to palestine from the Sudan (Yes, Arab orginate from Africa big shocker!) when there was a water drought during the time of Abraham (2000 BC to 1825 BC). We know this becuase that is the time they first entered Sudia Arabia too. The Jewish religeon did not emerge until Moses, who is after Abraham, so Arab inhabited Palestine prior to the Jews, they may not have been the ruling force but they were there.

Today we cannot fight the existance of Isreal, even god said it must exsist. We just have to make sure our families are not endanger, and we keep fighting until it is our time to take our land back. Jews who lived during the time that there was no Isreal, remember times of no hostilty, hostity was brought by the progressive movement of the Zionist Movement. They believed that in order to develop palestine it must be given to an all Jewish Government, and all indegenous people(not just muslim) be expelled.

I am surprised at the lack of knowledge about the history of the middle east by some contributors to the board.

 Before 1948 the area was included in the Palestinian mandate and before that it was just a part of the Ottoman Empire - none of the countries that we now know had names, they were just split into districts ruled by an Ottoman administrator. Up to the 1800's the muslims saw it as the 'ummah' which belonged to everyone, privately held property was virtually unknown at that time.

The Ottoman land reforms of 1783 and 1880 changed this conception and lands were sold to its citizens following western traditions of landowner holding titles to land.  Unfortunately, because the area we now know as Palestine was seen by the muslims as an unproductive wasteland the only people who bought it were the wealthy elite who lived in Syria, Turkey etc. who  rented it out to the peasant farmers as absentee landlords. During the late 1800's and early 1900's many of these absentee landlords sold land in Palestine to the Jews as it was legal then.  Later at the beginning of the 20th century it became illegal to sell Palestinian land to Jews, but this was circumvented in many ways and the Arabs made even greater, but illegal, profits because some prospective buyers were very wealthy, and as we all know, money rules.

After the first world war when the Ottomans fought on the side of Germany and lost, the Ottoman Empire became the property of Britain and France. This was a legal acquisition of war.

France named their protectorates Lebanon and Syria, whilst Britain named theirs Iraq and Palestine.  Palestine was then further divided between Jordan who got 77% of the area and the rest was given to the Jews to form a homeland.  (The area we know as the West bank was included in Jordan and Gaza and the Sinai belonged to Egypt) therefore there was lots of land for both the Arabs and jews.

 In 1937 the British Peel Document gave only one fifth of the remaining land to the Jews and four fifths to the Palestinian Arabs, but the Palestinians refused to discuss it - in fact they could have had a very large state of their own if they had agreed to this proposition.

The second attempt to partition Palestine came in 1947 (but with a lot less land to the Palestinians) and sanctioned by the UN Israel declared independance  Those Palestinians who did not want to stay fled (encouraged by the Arab States who told them that they were going to drive the Jews into the sea and the Palestinians could return and have it all once the Arab Liberation Army had defeated Israel.  When Israel won, the Arabs refused (apart from Jordan) to house the 750,000 refugees  but Israel managed to rehome the 800,000 Jews who were expelled from their homes in the Arab countries with only the clothes on their backs.

 Unfortunately a lot of Palestinians did not own the lands they lived on (altho' they thought they did) as the Ottoman land reforms made those who claimed land subject to  mandatory taxes and miltary service. Most peasants, understandably, refused the offer of owning land under these conditions and this has contributed to the misunderstanding of many Palestinians that they owned the lands they had to leave. Of course, some do, but much of this land was still state owned (as it was in the Ottoman Empire) and reverted to Britain when it won the first world war.

This situation has been perpetuated by the surrounding Arab countries for decades whose only contribution to Palestine has been to arm them to fight against the Jews by proxy.  If the money from UNRWA and the West had been used for building  infrastructue and  anon corrupt state government Palestinians would not be where they are today.  By the was the name Palestine only came into common usage after the 1967 war which the Arabs again lost and the Palestinian refugees were further displaced.

Unfortunately, much of the Palestians disposession must be laid at the feet of their Arab landowners and the unsuccessful wars aginst Israel after her independance.  Only when  educates oneself about these facts can on then understand why this has all happened.  Palestine has twice refused (under threat by its Arab neighbours) to declare itself a sovereign nation.

They cannot keep blaming the west and the Jews, but they dare not blame their muslim brothers!  Many of the Arabs who did flee Palestine in the '48 war were very bitter -( not about the Jews) but about the Arabs leaders who had coerced them to flee.  The Arab countries who told the Palestine Arabs to flee said that those who did not leave would be treated as 'renegades' and treated in the same manner that the Jews would be treated (death and mutilation, I expect) and when they did flee the other Arab countries would not let them in and called them cowards for not staying and fighting in the villages.  The poor Palestinians are in a lose-lose situation created by their forefathers and will never be told the real truth about their history.

Your right the Arab leaders are to blame, but you cannot blame the palestinian ancestors. Most were very poor farmers, you must understand how poor. My grandmother tells us of storys where they had to fear being attacked by wolves on their way to harvest olives. When you needed land land the arab tradition was, whatever land was not being used, that land could be taken. If you farmed and we able to cultivate a land then that land was yours. If you abused that land it could be taken from you by another who would cultivate it. 300-400 years later of a family cultivating and nurturing a land you cannot tell me that they did not own it.

"Will someone please... run the joos in the sea"

So,"SOMEONE"?

You must be an Arab,I suppose.If you want so much to drive Jews into the sea,why wait for someone to do it?Go-and try.But don´t expect others to do the dirty job for you.

The history of the Jewish State and that of the Palestinian people are one that intertwines throughout the path of Middle East history.

History, and the perception of history, is perhaps the most important factors in the Arab-Israeli conflict today. Accounts of history, interpreting history in different ways, are used to support or deny, justify or negate claims. To vilify the enemy and glorify “our own” side.

When you search through the internet for the “truth”, we simply find versions “of the truth” as one side or the other would have us see them. There’s a historic view of this conflict for both sides to claim as right.

One thing is often true about history, it’s most often written by the victor. As such, the view of the defeated often is buried with their defeat and forgotten with time immortal.

So how do we look at the Arab-Israeli conflict in a true and honest light? One that a reasoned minded person could understand a truthful and honest? If I really knew that to be a possibility, I’d probably be a wealthy man.

I’ve found that as a student of history, timelines have proven to be very beneficial in establishing some very simple and basic truths.

Archeological materials that support irrefutable evidence as to when and where a certain people lived hold the best evidence of truth.

So can this be applied to the current region in dispute? The region known to Arabs as “Palestine” and Jews as “Israel”?

The area (region) known today as “Palestine”, is not a large area, approximately 10,000 square miles at present. During its long and turbulent history, population and “ownership” of the area varied greatly. Currently, the nation of Israel occupies (owns/controls) a vast amount of this area through its military gains over several wars. (This is the most common way used in “nation building” throughout historical time. Israel is not unique in its current position and people shouldn’t forget that all nations are built upon the blood, sweat and tears of defeated peoples.)

Archeological proof that the area has been settled for tens of thousands of years exists. Fossil remains of Homo erectus, Neanderthal and transitional types between Neanderthal and modern man all have been unearthed in this region. Hybrid Emmer wheat has been found in and around Jericho dated from before 8000 B.C., making it one of the oldest known agricultural centers know to exist in the world.

From the earliest digs, historic evidence unearths several “named” peoples of this region. Amorites, Canaanites, and other Semitic peoples related to the early Phoenicians of Tyre entered the area about 2000 B.C. The most common historic reference between these peoples gives credence to the area being known as the “Land of Canaan”. (Biblical accounts not withstanding.)

Archeological proof also pinpoints the development to the “Jewish” religion (not people, as to this point in time they did not call themselves a “Jewish nation or people) evolving out of the Canaanite peoples and those invading tribes of the area.

Evidence narrows a period between 1800 and 1500 B.C. as to a people referred too as the Hapiru (Hebrew) people, coming from Mesopotamia and settling in Canaan. Though different tribes resided in the area (Semitic peoples, Hittites, and later Philistines, and others known as “peoples of the sea”, likely from Mycenae and ancient Greece), the Hebrews become a “focal point” that develops a “singular religious identity” which spreads over the entire region of the “Land of Canaan”.

(A biblical footnote for all of you. The conqueror of the Canaanites is Joshua.)

Here is where fact and fiction can become very mixed and unclear. Much of the evidence given for this period is brought to us courteously of the Jewish Holy Book, the Torah. Of course this instantly throws suspicion on all claims by any other people other than those of Jewish decent or faith.

Many opponents call the Torah “unreliable” historic information. So is there something else BESIDES the Torah (or Bible) placing the Hebrews as the dominate people of the region, and thus enforcing their unique “stamp” of history over the area?

Yes, of course there is. Archeological evidence of millions of artifacts of that period and former structures unburied during this early period of time show and prove the people of Hebrew tribes settled in the contested region of Canaan.

Interestingly enough, people tend to ignore that before Joshua entered Canaanite lands with the Tribes of Israel, Egyptian forces had met on the field of battle many times against Canaanite armies. Many Egyptian writings tell of “great battles” fought and won by Pharaoh over the Canaanite people. Egyptian leaders actually ruled over the Land of Canaan for many centuries calling it the “northern lands” or “northern gate” to the Nile.

Not long after one of these Egyptian/Canaanite battles does our friend Joshua enter this war ravaged area and he and his tribes “set up house” in the Land of Canaan.

It wouldn’t be hard for the new invaders to hold on to their newly acquired lands, but expansion didn’t come easily for all the Tribes of the Israelites.

The Tribe of Judah failed to win victories over Gaza, Ashkelon (a city in the western Negev) and Ekron, a border city on the frontier that was contested between Philistia and the kingdom of Judah.

Though many of the Israelite battles are colored in the Torah as “divine victories” won against “overwhelming odds”, this is more likely history being written by the victor to portray a vision of superiority and “divine” intervention so as to buoy its people’s spirits. Today we refer to it as “propaganda”.

 Nevertheless, historic and archeological evidence proves that the Kingdom of Judea and Israel.

William Dever, a noted expert suggests that rather than there being just one history of the Jewish kingdoms, there are in fact multiple histories and that we can distinguish nine types of history of Israel and Judah as follows.

1.     Theological history – the relationship between the God(s) and their believers.

2.     Political history – usually the account of “Great Men”, is generally episodic, chauvinistic and propagandist

3.     Narrative history – a running chronology of events, purporting to be factual but always very highly selective

4.     Socio-cultural history – a history of institutions, including their social underpinnings in family, clan, tribe and social class and the state

5.     Intellectual history – the literary history of ideas and their development, context and evolution as expressed through texts and documents

6.     Cultural history – is based upon a larger context of overall cultural evolution, demography, socio-economic and political structure and ethnicity

7.     Technological history – a history of the techniques by which humans adapt to, exploit and make use of the resources of their environment

8.     Natural history – is a geographic history of how humans discover and adapt to the ecological understandings of their natural environment

9.     Material history – as shown in the study of artifacts as correlates of human changes in behaviour.

Archeology can provide assistance in 3,4,6,7,8,9. Conventional “Biblical” textual history can provide assistance in 1,2, 3 and 5.

All that information and evidence gives solid and unfounded proof than the contested area of Palestine was long the domain of Jews and the Tribes of the Israelites.

The current claim of Arab tribes known to us today as “Palestinian”, can only be traced back to the Roman period of occupation.

From 61 B.C., the Jewish Kingdom is invaded by the regional power, Rome.

After many bloody battles and several Jewish uprisings against the Romans, 135 A.D. sees the Romans driving the Jews out of Jerusalem and burning the city. Correspondence to Rome finds the region now being referred to as “Palaestina” instead of Judah. (Most likely in an attempt to wipe out any Jewish identity that might remain after the Roman victory) The name Palaestina is translated in today’s language as, Palestine. It’s traced back to Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning “Philistine Syria”.

Most of the Jews who continued practicing their religion fled or were forcibly exiled from the new Roman region of Palestine, eventually forming a second Jewish Diaspora. However hard the Roman’s tried to destroy the Jewish identity, it nonetheless continued to exist and flourish in Palestine (primarily in the Galilee), though it had lost its distinction as “overlord or ruler” of the lands of Judaea.

So, hard facts and hard truths without all the “glorious” writings and propaganda.

The current situation in the Holy Lands is nothing more than the continued natural behavior of mankind to push out and dominate its neighbors. Those of Palestine, that were not Jewish and converted to Islam when the new armies of the Prophet of the Arabs invaded the region, soon laid claim to all that was once Jewish. This is what is commonly known as, “The strong survive and the weak wait by the wayside”.

As fate would have it, the Muslim control over the Holy Land would swing back and forth over the bloody history of time, but the Arab armies defeat at the hands of Israeli natives and migrant Jews from Europe, would once again return the Holy Lands to its former owner of some 3000 thousand years ago. And until such a time as Arabs can influence a different outcome, Israel will remain the dominate power in the Holy Lands of Judaea.

Bin Laden still free and able to do any terror he wishes to do.

This is a reply to muhammad

Why don't you sign with a real name and say that you're a zionist, or is it your normal acts to hide behind  names, as you hide behind walls, apatchies, F16 and kill the Palestinians, the real owners of the land.. you thieves.. sorry song,  I've got to use your true words now..

I sign with the name I bear.

That the Jews kill you Arabs-and what did you expect after you launch missiles on their cities,after you started I do not remember how many wars against them,after you deliberately kill their children?Flowers?

Or you think that any Muslim must support you just because we are of the same faith?

You Arabs started this mess with the Jews instead of settling the dispute peacefully-now you get out of it.And don´t drag others into your problems.

You're a zionist and a LIAR...

Real Muslims don't say "you Arabs" because we're one nation "Ummah". No difference between Arabs, blacks, whites, non-Arabs..etc.. we're one body... LIAR

Judging by the stupidity you just wrote,you are either not a Muslimah,or you have not the slightest idea about the real situation within the islamic world. I do not see any other explanation for the ranting like:"because we're one nation "Ummah". No difference between Arabs, blacks, whites, non-Arabs..etc.. we're one body... "

Just add "between Sunni and Shi´a, between Arabs and Turks"- and the real Muslims,not a fraude like you,will heartily laugh.

You can scream as much as you like,but the fact will remain a fact:the problems of Arabs are not the problems of all the Ummah,you like it - or not.

Are you Sunni?

If so,just tell me:are Shi´a Muslims?And Sufis?And Druze?And Alawis?And Bahai?

What do Turks think of Arabs?

Go tell your stories about "The Ummah is one body" to the people from the West.But don´t try it with me.

"Insha-Allah one day we will give those who kill our people the response they deserve"

Who is this "WE"?And who is this "OUR PEOPLE"?If you are an Arab,then it´s YOU who get what you deserve.You try so hard to convince us non-arabs that we are "one Ummah" when you need our suport.But when WE ask you for help and support,you turn deaf ear to our pledge.And when we come to your countries which Allah blessed(or cursed) with oil,you treat us as the third-rate people.

And then you feed us with the sweet stories about how we are "one Ummah".

A brilliant mind you are.

Druze, Alawis and Bahais are as Muslims as your brother Adolph Eichmann.

main stream shia are Muslims

Sufis who work their mysticism around the Sunnah of the prophet(pbuh) are Muslims, the others are Eichmann's brothers.

Who cares what the Turks think of the Arabs, let them first    liberate their country from the grips of the Donmeh Jews controlling the Military and ensuring Turkey's military pact with Nazi israel  continue as per Zioist Kemal ataturk's wishes and vision.

Must charge obtuse mind for information.

The Gulf   arabs have been in general blinded by the riches of Oil, they are a stubborn lot just like their Jewish cousins, but the minority that follow the footsteps of our beloved prophet(pbuh) are noble and of impeccable manners.

Now, if you are telling us that you are not really Eichmann's brother, but a Pakistani Muslim or a Hindu muslim who had at some stage worked in Arabia and been mistreated by the Arabs, I sympathise with you, some have not shed their tribal semitic barbarity, just look at their Nazi zionfascist Jewish brothers and how they are treating the Palestinians,shameful, barbaric, but those are the semitics for you, accepted Islam,but still tribal and savage as per their jewish estarnged cousins. So barbaric behaviour is not merely Arab, it is Semitic; don't confuse issues. And come clean with your real ID. lighten up this forum, which I am sure you can whether as a jewish zionfascist, or an unhappy South Asian who had bad time in Arabia, either way, you are welcome. 

WE are no longer one Ummah, if we were then the rest of the middleeast would not stand by when the Serbs were killing muslim in kosovo and bosnia, we would not stand by and watch the somlian muslims be tortured by civil war. We would stand by pakistan and afganistan in their time of need. there should not be turmoil in the sudan while suaduu arbian kings kiss up to the US president. WE are no longer an Ummah, the muslims live in turmoil now becuase we have all lost our way.

As for the ummah in islam it is not only all muslims, the Ummah of prophet Muhammad (sallah allahwa alihi wa salam) is the entire world population since the messenger (sallah allahwa alihi wa salam) past away.

You can scream as much as you like,but the fact will remain a fact:the problems of Arabs are not the problems of all the Ummah,you like it - or not.

This senseless words remind me of the coward moderated rat hiding behind a proxy server to spread his ignorance and senseless words.

Hey yo! show up and write with your moderated identity and don't think that using such silly trick will make us to feel that many people are supporting your stupid senseless words.

By the "coward moderated rat"you mean yourself?

Well,you know better what you are.Judging by your post,I can only say that your auto portrait looks very exact.

Hey Erizito, the lying, the deceptive Jew! See! You Jews will never stop lying and try to deceive people. Lying and deception are foremost qualities of the Jews - the cursed scum of the earth.

I have told you before that you Jews are given a free hand to commit your evil acts until an appointed term. And this is in order that you may increase in sins so that it will be justified on the Last Day to throw you in Hell to burn therein for eternity. So, Allah's plan against the kuffaar is strong and He is the best of the planners. So you have nothing to be happy about. Moreover, once your appointed term ends then we will Insha Allah come to catch each of you and you will have no respite then. So, enjoy for a while-only till the appointed term.     

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"We shall worry about this Last Day when it comes"

The answer given by the Viking warleader Ivar the Broad Shoulders to the Cristian missioner who tried to convert him to Christianity by telling him about the terrible fate which expects pagans on hte Last Day.

That's not exactly true Maryam95.

The house of Islam is a house deeply divided, with Shiite and Sunni simply being the most pronounced and obvious divisions.

This "ummah" is a fabrication creation that only existed while the Prophet of Islam lived.

Sign with the name of your brother the Jewish Marshall Reinhard Heydrich aka the Blond beast who slaughtered 600 000 Jews + 400 000 Gypsies, homosexuals and handicapped. Sign under his name, be proud, for he applied the Talmud's enshrined Eugenics to near perfection.

Sign as you other Jewish brother Nazi zionfascist Adolph Eichmann, he is also a noble alternative.

And if you search you will unearth more of your brothers who served the Nazi cause with Divine zeal..

Greetings Saladin, (Name of a Great Muslim General, interesting.)

I understand Muslims desire to find a way to "ignore" the factual history giving Jew's predominance over the Holy Lands far sooner than any Muslim could have ever dreamed of, but it seems only Muslims agree with this fantasy.

Therein lays a great problem. The inability of Muslims to grasp the realities of situations they face.
When the meet a situation they don't like, they simply construct a fantasy around it, building this invisible Muslim claim that this or that has always been Muslim, and POOF, their off to the races.

If only they'd stop and think.