Dear PM,

BBC World in its live coverage during the protests in front of the UN building in Beirut announced that Rice called for an immediate cease-fire.  Then within 5 minutes, the reporter from Jeruasalem said that was not true. And then Israel announced it was in no hurry to cease fire as long as it has not achieved its goals. So...so much for peace and stability.

I just watched BBC World, which I am getting to admire more and more, as the reporter from Beirut asked Peter Bouckart (Human Rights Watch) about the massacre in Qana.  He said, and I quote:

-The attack on Qana is "not a mistake nor an error".  It demonstrates how Israel fails to "differentiate between militants and civillians".  The bodies uncovered under the rubbles were bodies of "civillians only" and "not a single militant body was found" and "not a single weapon was found in any of the homes destroyed." Israel is targeting "civillian homes with no militants in sight" and "killing children" which "HRW is recording time and time again".

Then they got the military spokeperson from Israel, I forgot her name, who kept insisting that "Khezbullah" is using "civillians as human shields" and kept repeating the same phrase when asked why the bodies found were always bodies of civillians.

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This is truly a tragedy. I feel terrible for the poor innocent children who died in this strike. I must also however question what they were doing in this area to begin with. They were warned for days to get out. Similar buildings had been hit in the area before today. From what I've seen this was definately a combat zone. Many Hezbolah missiles were being fired from behind civilian buildings (Israel says it will provide video as proof). I think when we automatically presume these tragedies intentional we fall into the Hezbollah propoganda trap and ultimately encourage further practice of human shields. Israel must certainly share partial blame but to presume that they intentionally kill civilians and Hezbollah doesn't contribute to the tragedies is not based on logic. A Cease fire is needed, and it needs to be a cease fire that does not allow both sides to reinforce their positions.

I will repeat, I am upset that innocents were killed. However, I will not let my emotions cloud my judgement.

BB

Hundreds of thousands of Southern Lebanese residents have used those roads to flee North and hundreds of thousands have used roads to flee to Syria. You can show annectotal cases where a few trucks have been wrongly struck but lets look at the big picture. People who are asked to flee are being granted safe passage. Do not attempt to blind us with your propoganda.

It truly saddens me that some innocent people have died everything possible should be done by both sides to prevent these tragrdies.

BB

No, Joey, Infidel Bob is not Jewish. 

However, I must say this, Bob, obviously u didn't read all of the article posted in BBC World.  Otherwise u wouldn't have given the argument that they were "warned" and that they had their choice.  Didn't u read about the BBC reporters explaining how the roads were bombed, cars lacking fuel because the gas stations were bombed, and that most of them were too afraid to leave because of the constant bombing??

And please do not tell me how Hezbullah used this building to launch rockets, again the Human Rights Watch, Peter Boukhart said there were no militants found in the bodies, the BBC reporter said that there were no middle aged men found amidst the bodies. 

I have never seen this before, the BBC World reporters from Beirut had voices packed with emotion as they covered the news of this massacre.  The Tyre respondent went to Qana himself to cover the news and sounded distraught by what he saw.  Not once did I hear them mention anything about, "oh well, they were warned".

I understand and believe u so much when u say ur against killing innocents and know u mean every word when u said u were upset about it.  Don't let emotions rule u, I agree, judge by the facts and constantly recurrent similar incidents. Again, we owe it to those killed. Surely innocent people dying deserve that from us.  

And for your information, my sister left Lebanon when? Two weeks ago? Almost, right? When she had to leave, if u recall, she had to go thru the mountains as it was the ONLY way left to Syria.  All the bridges leading to Syria were bombed.  Sure, for those who want to leave, a way can be figured out with huge difficulty and also with great danger. Don't forget that when u make ur judgements.

Selam

"This time I was watching a reporter who was in Qana who said he was able to drive there from the north despite the claims that the roads had been bombed. "

Oh, you mean destroyed bridges , roads, and overpasses are mere claim? I am sure that you came across the damage report from the very same news reporter who have been to Qana.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5219360.stm

One  thing you failed or don't want to mention is what the news reporters acknowledged saying "Let alone for  ordinary civilians even for us the trip was hard due to road and security condition".And what you mentioned was nothing more than exception.

One more fact  is , not all Lebanese have car to drive and only 70% of Lebanese in average don't have such apportunity and this figure is higher for the south.Perhaps, those who have the car and capaibilty to walk have left after the threat and this massacre which costed disabled , children and deffensless mothers proves this.

Let alone this poor innocents whom I heard once calling for help on phone as they said ther was only one car in a village listen what the UN which so afrai of US/Israel says in this respect:

"did receive a request from the Israeli defence forces that [they wanted] the population of two villages, Ramyah and Ayta ash-Shab ... to be evacuated before sunset today", "Of course UNIFIL has refused to evacuate the villages, indicating that they don't have the capacity,"  Annan told the emergency session

Jim Muir in Qana just said bodies uncovered have reached more than 50 (actually Al Jazeera said 63 but I don't know their source) and the number of children killed has reached 37.

He also said that a pending cease-fire was not obvious as just as he was reporting from Qana, Israeli artillery was heard very close to where he was standing, but no air strikes.

I tried to copy and paste a map of the Israeli bombings on Lebanon so u could see for urself, but it didn't work. So here's the link:

http://www.lebanonupdates.blogspot.com/

Human Rights Watch in New York called on the UN "to investigate serious violations of international humanitarian law in the context of the current conflict". Its Director Kenneth Roth said: "Today's strike on Qana... suggests that the Israeli military is treating southern Lebanon as a free-fire zone. The Israeli military seems to consider anyone left in the area a combatant who is fair game for attack. "Such consistent failure to distinguish combatants and civilians is a war crime," he said.

Selam

"I have no doubt whatsoever that this was not a deliberate attack on ordinary civillians "

You have no doubt yet you pledge for investigation?

Would you read us loudly the outcome of the massacre commited by Israeli in this very same village QANA ten years ago?

 You better urge your officials to allow Anan who is begging for independent investigation or share it for the staffs killed "delibrately as prelimanry UN report indicated" at clearly marked place after they were shouting for hours to be saved?

For this one, Live information is being fed by Global media and hope the they will reveal the truth of Israeli claim that it was military warehouse as we see the Lebanese rescue workers to recover the dead bodies with their bare hands.So far 57 was recovered and among them 27 are children according to Aljazeera.I hope and pray the number wouldn't be more than this.

At last I would like to iterate what Siniora said today before the massacre ; 

"Israel cannot win this war.Yes it can kill ; but it cannot win"

Selam

Selam

That sounds very reasonable to me. Do you not think there should be an investigation?

I thought that I stressed on it and I have nothing to hide and all I want is the truth to be reavealed. But I am afraid, I don't expect from Israeli justice minster Haim Roman who says "the world have given us green light to carry on the offensive" . 

I hope that time will come when Israeli allow relatively neutral body to investugate what they commit as long as they keep against it I will keep my doubt that they have something to hide from the world.

Selam

Do you live in a settlement Elainesc? I notice you flag says ..occupied Palestine.

I dont think anyone believes the bombing was an accident. I suppose you think the bombing of the u.n. building was an accident also...even though the guys at the u.n. post were telling the Israelis, stop bombing your near hitting us..For hours they told Israel that, before the bomb struck them. I suppose bombing the red cross ambulance was also a mistake as well as bombing civilians on roads.

What the Lebanon resistance needs is rockets capable of hitting Tel Aviv... Then Israel would gladly accapt a cease fire... Then the question might be..is the resistance willing to not wipe Israel off the map, after what Israel is doing to Palestine and Lebanon. I would not blame them at all.

And for each rocket launched into Israel by the terrorist organization and it's support network in Lebanon, Israel will reply 10 fold.

For each life snuffed out by the sword of Islam, Israel will exact revenge 100 hundred fold by the soldiers of God.

For every moment of terror emparted by Hezbollah on the rightful Jewish peoples of the Holy Land, 1000 fold shall that terror be returned.

I'm confused PM.

So it's ok for Hezbollah (the party of God) or any of the other smattering of Islamic militant groups around the world (who ALL name themselves with some form of a religious overtone, most times including the name of Allah or God in their self descriptive title.) to associate their mission with a calling or work of Allah, but for Israel to be seen as warriors of God isn't correct?

Why is that?

Because you don't agree with Israel's right to existance?

Or is it something else?

Because if you ask an Israeli, they'll tell you the Hezbollah militant group is attacking and killing Jews EVERYDAY. (Something Hezbollah is proud of by the way.)

An Israeli will tell you God gave them this land and it is God's will that they protect it and defend it. (Thus warriors of God.)

How do you get that their Godless?

Because NOW the terrorist is getting a little bit of their own medicine?

Because the supporters of Hezbollah were to stupid to leave the area even after warning after warning told them too?

Because Hezbollah is preventing civilians from leaving the war zone?

Because Hezbollah is stationing rocket launchers on the rooftops of apartment complexes enticing the Israelis to strike so MORE civilians will die, thus serving Hezbollah's propagandist need?

I'm not sure I understand what it is you feel is Godless?

Ah yes, wars are created by men.

Well, I can't say that statement is incorrect or wrong. Lord knows men have waged war throughout the days of time.

Look PM, I tried to answer you're post.

I re-read it and I don't see where I'm trying to put words in you're mouth?

I simply stated the facts and ask you why you thought them "godless".

You know I've said on many occasions I support a two state solution. Problem is the Pal's don't want it. They want more and more and more. Give em an inch and they want Jerusalem.

Personally they aren't in much of a position to negotiate.

I also don't know why you think I was trying to make you seem like an Arab?

Did I say you were an Arab?

I don't remember saying that.

When I said "my enemy's enemy is my friend" I'm simply stating a fact. That is the mentality we deal with here day in an day out when conversing with most Muslims.

And I do know you somewhat. I respect you're post and you're position.

You have risen above many insults and criticisms. You've always been a lady.

But you sometimes aren't fair in you're reply's, because I NEVER said you were a supporter of ANY radical Muslim groups!

I know you hate war PM. I do to.

I think the big difference is I've seen war first hand. Though I hate it, I understand it is sometimes a necesary evil.

Unfortunately groups like Hezbollah understand nothing of peace and only the strong hand of the sword.

They seek in every form to destroy Israel, and the Lebanese government has stood by and done NOTHING to prevent the constant attacks on Israel by the Hezi's.

Innocents die in war. That's just the way war is. But at least Israel gave warning after warning for them to leave.

Does Hezbollah do that before launching rockets at schools and hospitals?

UN resolution 1559 calls for disarming militias in Lebanon.

I'd like you to read what MOHAMAD ISSA, Secretary-General of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Emigrants of Lebanon, said: "there are no militias in Lebanon. There is only the national Lebanese resistance, which appeared after the Israeli occupation and which would remain so long as Israel remained. The resistance force existed alongside the Lebanese national forces. Lebanon determined the presence and size of the force, depending on the country’s need. The authority of Lebanon extended to all parts of Lebanon except those areas occupied by Israel."

This is an explicit acceptance of Lebanese involvement with Hezbollah.

Selam

"In the meantime, where is Hezbollah's apology for the people they killed in northern Israel "

I thought that Israel and US consider Hizbollah "terrorist "and you used it as well? If that is really what you believe then why you should expect apology from a "terrorist"? Or you know that they are dying for their land which is under the occupation and want Shebaa farm back to the owners who are waiting just like all the Lebanese?

According to UN early report (before QANA MASSACRE) more than 600 lebanes Civilians among which a third is chldren reprted.,18 civilians from Israeli side . 5000 thousand private homes, 62bridges, 72 overpasses, Dams,….........You tell how many from your side?

Israel killed many many more civilians, it destryed a whole country with weapons with hight precession which enabled you to count down all thes civilian infrustructres one by one.Hizbollah, is not Using  F16, and it would have been more understandable if they were to say some apologetic words for the sake of diplomacy?.The Lebanese main power is their `will` which can't be ovecome by power no matter how sophesticated it mifgt be ut by justice.

You always run and compare  "your civilized democratic state" with a body that you name it  to be "terrosrism". That is the only option left with Israel to depict itself  as ` abetter` from teh free world as it violated all the ethics and humaneterian/intenational rules and find it self helpless at Geneva convention. It sounds like "State terrorism" is better than.....

Selam

http://canada.gc.ca/

It looks like Lebanon is not the only civilians being bombed by Israel at the moment....Of course, Israel says it's  always a mistake.

NEWS FROM OCCUPIED PALESTINE.

Well Joey, CNN and Fox both have been showing the Qana incident, and when their reporters interview Israeli spokesmen they sure don't sound like a political propagandist network.

One of the reporters on CNN was getting REALLY rude towards an Israeli spokesman on the issue.

Now, if you want to see a ONE SIDED network.... Al Jazeera.

In spite of this really tragic incident, i do not support the ceasefire.It will have only one result:in two months hezbollah will resume the attacks,inspired by what it will undoubtly call "the victory of Resistance over the Sionist enemy" and wisely forgetting that without the international pressing,Israel would get over with hezbollah in 2 weeks.It will be the victory of terrorism and the insipration for more terrorism.With Qana or without it, Hezbollah 

must  be destroyed.

Selam

Cool down, Shebaa farm belongs to all Lebanese and not to Hassan Nasrallah  and all Lebanese without exception want it back. You are not obliged to reply mentioning the partial withdrawal that you did in 2000 as usual.

This is idiology, and will that can only won  by Justice.Listen what Lebanese PM said today:

"I'd like to remind you that the Shebaa Farms is not a property of Hezbollah. It's a property of Lebanon and it's for all the Lebanese." Fuad Siniora

With or without Hizbollah the Lebanese will be after their land, as Siniora said "Israel cannot win this war; yes it  can kill, but can't win". Israeli might "flatten all the villages in the south " as the Israeli Justice minster said but this won`t make the Lebanese to submitt to injustice. 

Selam

Shebaa farms originally was part of Syria until the Israelis annexed it from the Syrians after the Syrian invasion of the Holy Land was repulsed by the Israeli army.

Shebaa farms now belongs to Israel, until such a time as Israel decides to return it.

That's not true Joey,

But when ALL you read here is negative attacks on the US, then it seems all one can do if their a true American is defend her.

But I've pointed out things the US does that I don't like.

Unlike many Muslims here that find absolutely NO FAULT in anything militant Muslims do.

Hezbollah (whether you want to call them terrorist or not) has been attacking Israel for YEARS!

The Lebanese government could send their army down south and disarm the Heziboys right now if they wanted too.

But any organization that is armed and yet not a part of the national military has to be something?

And since Hezbollah uses terrorist tactics against Israel, then I'd say the name fits.

Selam

"Shebaa farms originally was part of Syria until the Israelis annexed it from the Syrians "

As you said Israel is occupying  Shebaa farm (wether from Syria or Lebanaon) & this is the source of the problem. Shebaa farm owners want to go back. Syria asserted that it belongs to Lebanon though the UN states Occupied land from Syrian.

In either case it is occupied land  and as long as there is occupation there will be ressistance and terrorizing a whole nation will never make  them surrender.

Selam

It's land LOST by Syria during war.

If Syria didn't want to lose control then they shouldn't have attacked Israel.

But they did.

As a penalty for Syrian ignorance, Israel took the Golan Heights and this little 100 sq mile area.

If they feel it benifits Israeli national interest to give it back, so be it.

If not, so be it.

Very, very sad.  Tragic mistakes will happen.  Israel does not have a choice but to fight back against Hezbollah. 

Achieving ceasefire is VERY easy: return the soldiers and disarm Hezbollah.

Now the everyone know what of kind of people the Lebonese, the Iraqis, the Palestinians, and other victims of robbery victims have to deal with on a regular basis.  Bush and his co-robbers's evil desire murder innocent men, women, and children must be another wake up call for all of us non Muslims and Muslim that this evil threat can not be tolerated.

Many robbery ideologists and murder supporters will again tell us that the killling of Lebonese people is someone a way of democracy and liberation for them.  Please do not buy such an arguments, because doing so can lead to more murder by the theives.

The Lebonese government finally run out of patient and refuse to let one of the theives' deceiver, Condi Rice to enter their terrotory.  This is a good sign that people start to understand that rewarding the theives will not lead to peace but lead to mass murder and mass destructions.

The world must learn that their is no justification for the thieves in the
U.S. and in Israel to murder innocent Lebonese people.

See  video about the Qana massacre. The death toll rises. Israel is shameless about exterminating people.

http://today.reuters.com/tv/videoStory.aspx?storyId=b54ddc65d448a7409f78e88402bce8c2b393a10b&isSummitStory=False

It is great the way the president of Lebanon said a public ..than you.. to the Lebanon resistance.

Seems all over the mid east Arab countrys are starting to back the hizbullah.

CAIRO — Egypt's Copts have hailed the Lebanese resistance movement Hizbullah and its chief Hassan Nasrallah as a source of pride to Muslims and the Arab world, and launched a fund-raising campaign to help the Lebanese people in their current trial.

"All Arabs must be proud of Hizbullah's gallantry," Bishop Rafiq Gris, the spokesman for the Egyptian Catholic Church, told IslamOnline.net Monday, July 31.

"No matter what the results will be, Hizbullah has proved that the 'invincible' Israeli army is too weak and shown that a Frankenstein created by the Arab rulers was brought to his knees by a few number of fighters," added Yuhana Qaltah, a writer and columnist.

Hizbullah has inflicted heavy losses on the powerful Israeli army and proved in no way an easy meat.

Its fighters forced Israeli forces to withdraw from the two strategic towns of Bint Jbeil and Maroon Al-Ras they had seized earlier.

Hizbullah has downed at least two Apache helicopters and damaged a giant warship at the very beginning of the conflict.

Famed filmmaker Youssef Chahine said Nasrallah is a "source of pride to Islam."

"Hizbullah is a symbol of Arab dignity," he told Reuters on Sunday, July 30.

The Cannes-awarded director said he hoped to shake hands with Nasrallah in a visit to Beirut earlier this year.

"Nasrallah welcomed my visit…I'm really proud of him," Chahine added.

Chahine issued Sunday a statement addressed to the US right wing after the grisly Israeli massacre in the southern Lebanese city of Qana, which killed at least 60 civilians, including 37 children.

"The chaos is to strike civilians just like combatants….The chaos is to vent your anger on orphans…The chaos is to kill pregnant women and toddlers…The chaos is to annihilate an entire population…The chaos is to usurp freedom with the New Middle East dreams," he wrote.

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-07/31/03.shtml

People who died are now somewhere in the heavens.

I wish God will take the revenge eventually, people always have so many calculations for politics, feelings and emotions.

Sadly this is what the modern civilization has gifted the human being, more technology with more corruption.

Better we back to tents and the caves.

Salam

Kenda

Bin Laden's sitting in a cave right now! LOL!

If my dignity will come back, then why not back to the caves.

Biblically speaking.... God will revenge the blood of His people who were slain.

Revelation 6:9-11

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Regards

Lebanon and Gaza invasions planned last month in USA meetings with top Israeli officials

https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4983/index.php