Home

News

Living Shari`ah

Health & Science

Muslim Affairs

Reading Islam

Family

Art & Culture

Youth

Euro-Muslims

IOL Radio

 

Search

Advanced Search


Rules of the Forum


Go to old forum

» Politics & Economics » Let's Talk Politics


Thread: WHY PAKISTAN HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO EXTERMINATE MILITANTS NOW! NOW! NOW!


Permlink Replies: 4 - Last Post: Nov 3, 2007 11:08 AM by: Super_Insight
Super_Insight

Posts: 408
Registered: 9/13/07
WHY PAKISTAN HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO EXTERMINATE MILITANTS NOW! NOW! NOW!
Posted: Nov 3, 2007 9:32 AM
  Click to reply to this thread Reply

Pakistan has opted for martial law.  If the cabinet approves it would free the government to wage all-out war to eliminate--once and for all--the extreme Islamist/Al Queda problem in the its northwest provinces.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21609019/

It's not something I'd like to see but Pakistan has let things go too far and there is no longer any other viable solution.  It made a mistake encouraging the Taliban in the first place and once the Taliban from Afghanistan and Al Queda and other foreign fighters took refuge there it created a "sure lose"situation if left alone.  

Mass civilian casualties, economic destruction and disorder on an Iraq-style are assured if Pakistan continues to follow the present tepid approach.   You can't appease or tolerate extremist militants because--like Nazi brownshirts--they can't tolerate anyone but themselves in turn.  To continue that policy guarantees that the extremists will never stop trying to control and intimidate with suicide bombers, assissination attempts and various forms of mass murder. 

The longer the government waits to do what must be done, the more Al Queda-style training camps will be set up to teach larger numbers the techniques of mass murder via intiimidating an entire populace.   Pakistan's cautious liberals don't understand that.   It's as if they believed, "Maybe if we ignore them they'll go away."   It's totally naive.  Now the only solution is violence--one way or another. 

Let the militants alone, and they'll never let Pakistan or the Pakistanis alone because it's not in their nature.  Pakistan will suffer the most violence as the militants  grow stronger, increase their attacks and seize power, resulting in endless further violence via brutal Taliban-style rule and even more internal violence as fanatics will do anything to impose their totalitarian lifestyle.  

Other potential consequences: the flight of Pakistan's middle class (if someone will take them), a near universal cutoff in diplomatic relations (which is why Paks won't be able to escape the Taliban by fleeting to Britain), and extremely heavy sanctions from virutally every country in the world (since all would be endangered by such a radical state).

Destory the militants now in an all-out campaign and Pakistan will suffer violence but at least there will be a light at the end of the tunnel in contrast to the above scen ario.  The militants can be wiped out but it could an Algeria-style campaign.   However, if the government can resort to the kind of harshness Suharto used in Indonesia the total number of innocents killed and the length of time required could be much shorter than in Algeria.   Pakistan must resort to the same sort of ruthlessnes, not only going after the Taliban but the Islamist Party leaders who covertly support them. 

You can't appease extreme Islamists.  Soft treatment has only strengthened them and worked in their favor and why should that change.   It's like a disease--like gangrene or cancer that will only continue to spread unless totally cut out.   No other solution is possible now because things will only get worse if the problem is evaded. 

Any half-hearted measures now won't work.  The government must go all out and be totally ruthless or the militants will win.  That means no criticism and no demonstrations allowed, mass curfews, etc., until the problem is removedAt this point anything less could lead to civil war which is even worse.

Pakistan has created an otherwise insolvable problem which will contintue to divide and worsen the situation whose roots stem from a fatal decision to encourage Islamic radicalism as a tool of foreign policy in Afghanistan and Kashmir.   Like the problem of slavery in America, which created divisions that got worse with each decade that past, Islamic militancy in Pakistan must be destroyed. 

The methods used must be as nasty and brutal as those used by the extreme Islamists but when it's over Pakistan will be better off and have a potentially bright future which it doesn't have now.  Also it will have learned its lesson, while other countries, from watching it all, will perhaps finally learned the foolishness as using Islamist extremists as a proxy too.  The Sunnis in Iraq learned that lesson the hard way.    The Shia in Iraq are gradually turning against Shia militias for similar reasons.

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY LEFT TO REDUCE (NOT AVOID)  VIOLENCE NOW

Having harbored Al Queda, foreign volunteers and domestic militants, the tribes of northwest Pakistan must themselves clean up the region as Sunnis have done to Al Queda in Iraq.  Otherwise they'll suffer horrors not just equivalent to what happened there but much worse.   Either they kill or expel the militants or the government will.  Don't hold your breath.

SHOULD THE US HELP PAKISTAN'S MILITARY FORCES?

The United States should lend no direct military assistance to the government of Pakistan in the form of troops on the ground or massive assistance by air.  If it does, the struggle here will be exploited by Islamists worldwide, including Muslm Brotherhood sites like this.  Any large-scale, highly visible assistance would also offend Pakistani nationalism and help Islamists portray him as a puppet. 

That doesn't mean that we can't provide intelligence help, counteriinsurgency training, useful drones and perhaps small handfuls of special force assistance. The Pakistani army at this point will need assistance of that sort or combat could last much longer.  That's hardly good for Pakistan.  Wipe out the bad guys and get rid of them once and for all, as Suharto did.

American interests in destroying militant extremists after 9/11 definitely coincide but the central point to note is that Pakistan's own self-interest and its very survival is at stake if it fails to act.   This is something that Pakistan would have to do sooner or later have to do even if there were no outside pressure and the sooner the better.  No one enjoys chemotherapy or a cancer operation but the consequences of avoiding either are much worse.

Always remember: It wasn't the Americans who encouraged Zia and others to play footsies with these militants long before 9/11 and even before the Russians invaded Pakistan.   And during the conlict with the Russians that developed a few years afterward, Pakistan--with a monopoly of control over supply lines and logistics, insisted that only the Taliban could be supplied.



theAmericanPariot

Posts: 81
Registered: 10/27/07
Re: WHY PAKISTAN HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO EXTERMINATE MILITANTS NOW! NOW! NOW
Posted: Nov 3, 2007 9:53 AM   in response to: Super_Insight in response to: Super_Insight
  Click to reply to this thread Reply

Having harbored Al Queda, foreign volunteers and domestic militants, the tribes of northwest Pakistan must themselves clean up the region as Sunnis have done to Al Queda in Iraq. Otherwise they'll suffer horrors not just equivalent to what happened there but much worse. Either they kill or expel the militants or the government will. Don't hold your breath.

When you are part of the problem, it is difficult to see any of these stone age tribesmen being a part of any answer. Totally leveling NW pakiland is the only way to proceed. Bomb it into little pebbles.

Super_Insight

Posts: 408
Registered: 9/13/07
Northwest Pakistan and pre-civil war Dixie: Pakistan has no choice!
Posted: Nov 3, 2007 10:23 AM   in response to: theAmericanPariot in response to: theAmericanPariot
  Click to reply to this thread Reply

 I see some similarities here.    The pre-Civil War South became as attached to slavery as Pakistan's North West provinces have become attached to Islamist militancy.  

The aristocratic, pre-industrial economy and society that developed as a consequence in Dixie was almost pre-modern while the rest of the USA became totally part of the modern world.   Even after the defeat, it took 100 years for the South to give up on (segregation) a variation of its old ultraconservative dreams and join the modern age.  Note how rapidly it has advanced since that happened.

 So long as a pre-industrial slave society existed, two things were certain in regard to Dixie and this also recalls Pakistan's dilemna with the northwest territories: 

--the majority of common folks in the  South, whether black or white, would remain relatively poor compared to the rest of the country.

--the political divisions between the South and everyone else had to grow worse.

No analogies are perfect, of course, and the situation is even worse than the Dixie vs. rest of the USA problem.  The biggest difference here is that the South did not wage violent terrorist attacks against the North for years prior to the Civil War.  Nor did it become a base of operations for encouraging similar attacks everywhere else in the world.   Imagine the world's attitude toward the USA prior to 1860 had that happened!

No nation can long afford one region to stubbornly terrorize the rest. 

No nation can long afford for one region to become a launching base for worldwide attacks against everyone and for waging war next door.  

SUCH A NATION SIMPLY HAS NO CHOICE!!!

That again is why it is such nonsense to blame the USA, as the Arab media will surely do, for what Pakistan will do now.



Super_Insight

Posts: 408
Registered: 9/13/07
An absolutely certain, guaranteed prediction
Posted: Nov 3, 2007 10:08 AM   in response to: Super_Insight in response to: Super_Insight
  Click to reply to this thread Reply

A little while ago two of us here posted a bulletin about the martiall law decision around the same time.  Any reader who read one post might ignore the other on the natural assumption that each was a mere announcement of a major event.  However, as you can see, my post goes well beyond that so I felt a repost with a more accurately descriptive heading was needed.

As you can see, my post dwells more on why Pakistan's decision was essential, what must be done now and what will surely happen to Pakistan otherwise.  There can be no hesitation, squamishness or half-hearted measures.

MARTIAL LAW OR NO MARTIAL LAW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?

Either way Islamist militants won't hesitat--in Pakistan alone--to kill many thousands of muslims in shops, bus stops, schools markets etc.  SIMPLY PUT THAT'S WHAT EXTREME ISLAMISTS DO!  Time to wake up!  Favorite targets will include those most hesitant to act--moderate muslims and civilians without an ounce of concern for women and kids.

These extremists are a life-threatening cancer for Pakistan and MUST be exterminated if Pakistan is to have any kind of hope for the future.  That applies especially to the foreign militants and high Taliban officials, such as Mullah Omar, who played a direct role in supporting the 9/11 attack.  If the locals in the northwest were smart, they'd do the job themselves which could prevent much furhter hardship.

The problem is that at this point, the militants have been allowed to acquire so much overwhelming strength in the region, that solution is probably impossible.  Which is why the government must resort to totally ruthless, anything goes warfare to eliminate the cancer.   Locals who "hosted" these extremists will have to suffer the consequences and learn a hard lesson about who to host.

Whatever happens, as usual, IOL, Al Jazeerah and the rest of that bunch will find a way to put an xenophobic, extremism-encouraging "spin" on things, ignoring the degree to which Pakistan's own policy created the present problem and the fact that eminating the extremists is just as essential to Pakistan's own national interests as it is to that of the rest of the world.  

ABSOLUTE CERTAIN PREDICTION

The Arab press will portary the whole  campaign as nothing more that Pakistan's regime doing a "favor" to the USA.



Super_Insight

Posts: 408
Registered: 9/13/07
Al-Zawahri speech shows why ALL muslims need to support Paki govt
Posted: Nov 3, 2007 11:08 AM   in response to: Super_Insight in response to: Super_Insight
  Click to reply to this thread Reply

http://www.islamonline.net/discussione/thread.jspa?threadID=11957&tstart=0

If the Islamists were left alone to triumph in Pakistan, just imagine the staging ground they'd have to train radical volunteers from every muslim country.  Never forget that Al Queda has denounced virtually every existing muslim regime as a target for ousting. Never forget its methods.

Al Queda's ability to inflict havoc and mass murder when those trainees return home to individual muslim countries is multiplied every day Pakistan fails to act.  

And if Pakistan acts and fails to succeed--because the Arab press uses the conflict as just another opportunity to stoke up mindless xenophobia--Al Queda's ability to kill muslims everywhere will be multiplied a thousand fold.  There is zero doubt that it has the will and intention to do so.  All that remains to to develop sufficient capacity.

Thus what should be good news for muslims everywhery (yes, non-muslims as well) is likely to be portrayed in Muslim Brotherhood controlled sites like this one as "bad new."




News | Living Shari`ah | Health & Science | Muslim Affairs | Reading Islam | Family | Art & Culture | Youth

About Us | Speech of Sheikh Qaradawi | Contact Us | Advertise | Support IOL | Guest Book | Site Map