Weird, Yackyboy and I were just talking about this before it happened.

I think that because the bombs didn't hit her (I hope this is the case) that I guess it is the Islamic Extremist Terrorists. Mushareffs men would have known which car to hit.

I think the evidence will show it was suicide bombers. But of course all evidence can be discounted here because it is filtered through the Pakistani government who is suspected of working for Bush.

All the Muslims on this board will blame Mushareff and Bush until the end of time, except for the Pakistanis here. They Pakistanis do not have the luxury of believing in fantasies this time. Their existance depends on thinking clearly. They along with Bhutto herself will figure out the real culprits (The Extremely radical Islamic Terrorists) 

BB

You Are Right BOB ,,

Even One Of the members predicted it this afternoon ,,

The Number Now has risen to 108 ...

The fools are so predictable. It's really pathetic.

Just look at them.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1190886455906&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

BB 

I see the Moderators are back to their same old censorship tactics.

I've had two post erased now.

No profanity just the truth.

Oh.. I see.... silly me... telling the truth and all.

That is unfortunate what happened. Innocient people were killed.. Guess only time will tell who did it. Her husband seems to think the intelligence agency was behind it.

quote...Speaking from Dubai, Bhutto's husband Asif Ali Zardari told the ARY television channel: "I blame government for these blasts. It is the work of the intelligence agencies."end quote...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/558576E8-6ECB-468C-B70B-75554BBA8B72.htm

 Who the hell do you think you are to make statements for 1,500,000 muslims?

Some freaking mahdi?

A Very Worried Man, Indeed.

His ISI (CIA) Missed the Target.

Oh Well, I'll Just Blame it on the

Taliban.

I see this tactic used on a regular basis by Muslim extremists: Attack your enemy and then accuse your enemy of doing it. It's a win-win tactic.... until it's overused and people wise up. Then it has its backlash.

All this fighting and blaming just proves to me how dirty Earthlings are. You Earthlings have no conscience. You rationalize your evil natures and claim righteousness. This only multiplies your evil and confuses the problem to the point of there being no solution but war. But then the conscience get even more confused.

Religion is supposed to clean up the conscience so that you can see your own evil and fix it. Blaming is just a means of allowing your evil to be fed and grow.

From my orbiting space ship, it all appears very simple. As your Jesus said: "He who is without blame, cast the first stone."

Soon we aliens will have no recourse but to begin our re-education program of all Earthlings. This is our last result. If we have to do that, then your position as noble beings will be permanently rejected and you will no longer have free will until we give it back to your species. This will make you lower than the animals. A dark ages will have to take place until all the dirty consciences are cleaned up. But that will take generation after generation of reprogramming. Maybe as much as a thousand years of your time. We would rather not do that. But we will if the peace and balance of the cosmos is jeopardized by your ignorance and foolishness!!

The countdown has begun. You have until 2012 to decide your fate.

KPAX

Look at "Russia Corporation". 15 years ago it was bankrupt. Under Putin it is again profitable.

Yes, but you forgot to mention that it threw out their backwards ideology that made it go bankrupt, and replaced it with a modern secular democracy, wich is the only key to succes.

Replacing backwardness with other backwardness isn't gonna solve anything.

We want leaders who will industrialize our economies. Tourism doesn't count.

Your leaders are in raping your daughters and your land of its wealth,  they preach this crap about virgins awaiting you in Mo's paradise if you kill Infidels and you believe every word of it.   It has been going on for 1400 years, so what makes you think it will change anytime soon?

The Islamists for two reasons:

1. They favor a totalitarian/theocratic system and she favors securlar democracy.

2. They can't stand for  a woman to have any sort of power, especially political power. 

King Abdullah Ibn Saud began the proceedings of the recent Arab league summit held in Riyadh on the 28th March with an opening speech where he said Arab woes lay with squabbling Arab rulers, who could only prevent "foreign powers from drawing the region's future" if they were united. He then went on to say in regards to the history of the Arab league ‘the question is: what have we done throughout these years to resolve all that? I do not want to blame the Arab League because it is an entity that reflects our conditions in details, so the real blame should fall on us: we the leaders of the Arab nations. Our permanent differences, our refusal to take the path of unity – all of that led the nations to lose their confidence in our credibility and to lose hope in our present and future.

He described some of the problems faced by the Muslim world "In beloved Iraq, blood is flowing between brothers, in the shadow of an illegitimate foreign occupation, and abhorrent sectarianism threatens a civil war…In wounded Palestine, the mighty people suffer from oppression and occupation. It has become vital that the oppressive blockade imposed on the Palestinians end as soon as possible so the peace process will get to move in an atmosphere without oppression."

What King Abdullah outlined in his opening speech of the current problems facing Muslims is well known amongst the Muslim world, what King Abdullah however did not outline is the role he and the Saud family have played in creating and prolonging these very issues. The Saud family have a history of treachery against the Ummah and have played a key role in preventing unity within the  Muslim world.

Beginning in 2006, King Abdullah has been reviving the Arab peace initiative which will recognise the state of Israel if it gives back territories seized in the 1967 war. For this, King Abdullah brokered the Mecca agreement between the Hamas government and Fatah. King Abdullah showed his true colours when Israel invaded Lebanon in July 2006, he alongside Jordan, Egypt, several Gulf States and the Palestinian Authority, chastised Hezbollah for unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts, at an emergency Arab League summit meeting in Cairo. Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal at the time said "These acts will pull the whole region back to years ago, and we cannot simply accept them." Saudi Arabia even got its leading Ssheikh, Abdullah bin Jabreen, to issue a fatwa, declaring it unlawful to support, join or pray for Hezbollah.

The Saud family on every occasion side with the colonialist western powers in providing active support. In the first Gulf war King Fahd authorized the deployment of U.S. forces on Saudi soil, the kingdom hosted over 600,000 allied forces, and its treasury reached record deficit levels. The U.S. spent $60 billion on the first Gulf War, with the Saudis and Kuwaitis footing half the bill. Presently, 5,000 U.S. troops have remained in the kingdom since the end of the Gulf War. By 1999, their presence had served as a major grievance for Saudi citizens and resulted in a group of 107 Wahhabi religious figures sending a 46-page "Memorandum of Advice" to King Fahd, which criticized the government for corruption and other abuses and for allowing U.S. troops on Saudi soil. King Fahd’s response was to sack them all.

Historic Al Saud treachery

Treachery runs deep in the Al Saud family as the Saud family played a direct role in the destruction of the Khilafah and the creation of Israel. The British empire’s Foreign office made contacts with Ibn Saud in 1851 in order to develop relations with those suitable to be used against the Khilafah which had its capital in Istanbul. The Saud family at the time were a band of bandits involved in petty tribal differences, however with British money and arms Ibn Said was able to consolidate his position in key areas of the Arabian peninsular and eventually the whole peninsular. This was all represented in the treaty Britain signed in 1865 when Britain wanted allies in the region to give it a foothold within the territory of the decaying Uthmani Khilafah. In return, Ibn Saud needed Britain’s logistical and military aid to disrupt the Khilafah from within.

Britain provided Ibn Saud small subsidies, which were used to expand and maintain a colony of Wahabi forces that were the backbone of Ibn Saud’s all conquering army. Ibn Saud attempted to gain legitimacy by using the Wahabi movement, the followers of  Muhammad ibn Wahab, who believed the Arab lands required purifying with his opinions of Islam. Ibn Wahab used the Wahabis to give his pro-British backed policies religious credibility and the Wahabis saw the opportunity to see their interpretations of Islam become the dominant school of thought in the area.

In 1910 the Al Sauds’ became ever more important to Britain as they would rebel against the Uthmani Khilafah, with British backing, by attacking there own cousin Ibn Rasheed who supported the Khilafah. Small subsidies became larger and a cabal of advisers were despatched to assist Ibn Saud’s advance.

The Arab Revolt (1916–1918) was initiated by Sherif Hussein ibn Ali with full British blessing with the aim to separate the Arab peninsula from Istanbul. This agreement was concluded in June 1916 after an exchange of letters with British High Commissioner Henry McMahon who managed to convince Sherif Hussein of his reward for such treachery of an Arab empire encompassing the area between Egypt and Persia, with the exception of imperial possessions and interests in Kuwait, Aden, and the Syrian coast. The British government in Egypt immediately sent a young officer to work with the Arabs. This man was Captain Timothy Edward Lawrence, otherwise known as Lawrence of Arabia.

After the defeat of the Uthmani Khilafah in 1918 and its subsequent dissolution in 1924, the British granted control over the newly formed states of Iraq and Transjordan to the sons Faisal and Abdullah as had been previously agreed. The house of Al Saud was able to bring the whole of Arabia under there control by 1930. Britain’s vision of Arabia’s fate following the Khilafah’s defeat was clear: in the words of Lord Crewe it wanted “a disunited Arabia split into principalities under our suzerainty”. For their part, the Saud’s, were, by and large, happy to acquiesce.

The Saud family directly collaborated with the British to destroy the Khilafah and if that wasn’t bad enough the Saud family directly collaborated with Zionists in establishing Israel. King Abdullah 1 of the then British created Transjordan studied with David Ben Gurion (Israel’s first prime minister) in Istanbul in the 1930’s. Abdullah had offered to accept the establishment of Israel in return for Jordanian control of the Arab populated parts of Palestine. In 1946 Abdullah expressed interest in ruling over the Arab parts of Palestine, and had no intention to resist or impede the partition of Palestine and creation of a Jewish state, as described by one historian. 
His brother Faisal King of Iraq even eclipsed Abdullah’s treachery in January 1919. Faisal signed the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement, with Dr. Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Zionist organizationin where he conditionally accepted the Balfour Declaration based on the fulfillment of British wartime promises of independence to the Arabs.
Saudi Arabia since 1995 has imported $64.5 billion in weaponry, far surpassing the second-largest importer, Taiwan, which acquired only $20.2 billion in arms. However none of this in anyway has been used for the defence of Muslims or conflict areas where Muslims are being suppressed. The only time Saudi has gone to war has been during the gulf war where it supported the coalition against Iraq and during WW1. The recent cancellation of an investigation into the al Yamamah arms deal between Saudi and Britain shows the Saud family have never had the stomach to stand up for Muslim issues but merely purchase weaponry to ensure the industries of its western masters continue whilst they betray the Ummah. kamal pasha was a jew he just made people believe he was a muslim.

The Ummah Has Awaken and the Tide is on the Roll, It's Coming. 

She has lots of enemies who want her dead. I don't think the government has any hand in it. How does it affect you if the ***** lives or dies?

BMZ

She has lots of enemies who want her dead. I don't think the government has any hand in it. How does it affect you if the ***** lives or dies?

BMZ

Even Bhutto suspects and has said..the attack could have not been carried out, without high up people in Govt. arranging it.  Yes, I think so to..far away america is happy about it. Now, they want to investigate the crime..so they can put the blame on some country or group they don't like.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/09/news/edmush.php

Even Bhutto suspects and has said..the attack could have not been carried out, without high up people in Govt. arranging it.

Unlike you guys, I'm not gonna speculate on who might be guilty.  But you'ld have to a complete delusional fool to believe what you wrote there....

Please explain how this attack would have been *impossible* to carry out without high ranked peeps of the Govt?

There were THOUSANDS of people there.  There was virtually NO control of who was there, why, when, what they were carrying, etc...

Any ***** could have brought a bomb to the scene.

Plus, like Bob allready said, Musharaf's peeps would have known wich car she was in - they wouldn't have missed.

Well, you being a rather intelligent person you have to put 2 and 2 together.  When Bhutto as well as her husband suspect intelligence and foreign people behind the bombing, we must understand they have more knowledge about Pakistan and the people supporting those in power in Pakistan than someone in another far away country...Why were the street lights turned off at dusk on the route Bhutto was taking? did the security people not suspect something? Myself, I think it looks suspicous. The bombing happened in the area with no lights. Maybe they detonated the bombs to soon or a bit to late by mistake..Missing Bhutto's car. The following link tells a few things.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1190886487512&pagename=Zone-English-News/NWELayout

That link is from IOL wich makes it bias.

What are you saying, that streets lights everywhere in pakistan work round the clock?  How about the possibility that the bombers, whoever they were, sabotaged the generator of that particular street in advance?  It's not a hard thing to do you know.  Break it open, pour some water on it, done.

And you said it yourself: they "suspect".  Since when is suspicion enough to convict?  They went into Iraq on grounds of suspicion as well, we all saw how that turned out.

Until further notice (read: until evidence surfaces), I'ld advice to not speculate on who did what and write it down here as if it is fact.

On my end, I'll continue to state that this being carried out by the authorities is unlikely to say the least.  They wouldn't have missed.  In fact, secret services would have rigged her car and not stage it in such amateuristic ways.

LOL... I didn't name any names in my thoughts as to who or what group could possibly be behind the bombing..Only those that did it or helped arrange it, know for sure who it was. I am merely relaying what Bhutto and her husband said. Freedom of the press. Another un-biased link is as follows. It is as truthfull as fox news... well, any news is more truthfull than fox.  (Don't tell Bob.) lol.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D7671C03-8A4D-4ABF-B1C6-BF758A7E55FD.htm?FRAMELESS=true&NRNODEGUID=%7bD7671C03-8A4D-4ABF-B1C6-BF758A7E55FD%7d

First of all this is Pakistan. If it is anything like Bangladesh and I think there is a good chance it is, then on a normal day there will be sections of major roads where the street lights are malfunctioning. This could be for numerous reasons. One might be that people syphon off electric power from public wires.

It is quite possible that the bombers simply chose a part of the route where the lights were already not working.

Second, Do you know how to do an advanced search on IOL? My user ID is Lipshitz. Search to see how many times I've referenced FOX news. Never!

BB 

why did Benazir come down from the roof of the bus just a few seconds before the blast from where she was waving to the crowd?

Coincidence?

he blast was very sophisticated which is unlikely of the Islamist

What was so sophisticated about it?  If it was that sophisticated, it wouldn't have missed target.  Not to mention that at this point there is evidence that it was a suicide blast.

the street lights going off and telephone lines disconnected

You guys keep repeating this, but I haven't seen any evidence of this. Video footage has shown that the lights were ON prior to the blast.

I see no reason to not believe that the blast itself is actually what disrupted the street lights and the telephone lines.

Furthermore, do you know how easy it is to disconnect both of these things? 

They are only wires you know...  Not high security, high profile nuclear power stations.  Just a few wires that can be cut through in a matter of seconds.  If you call that "sophisticated"...   I can shut down the street lights of our entire block with my eyes closed.

Benazir and her husband both suspect the government and Musharraf does not want outside help in the probe

They'll have their reasons, I'm sure.  But being "suspect" is not the same as being guilty.  I'm not denying that high ranked people might be involved.  For sure there are elements their that fear the return of Benazir, more specifically the radical elements that wish to see a brutal caliphate in the middle east instead of freedom and democracy.

But the claim that it just "had to be done" with inside help is totally ridiculous.  There was nothing special about it.  Thousands of people stood their uncontrolled, unsecured.  Anyone could have smuggled a bomb in there and detonate it.

IF it was a govt job, then allow me to die of laughter.  Then this has to be the most amateuristic job EVER. 

"Seriously if it were a suicide bomber then the target should have been more accurate he would have been among the crowd and stand exactly where it should be blasted"

Bhutto's bus swas urrounded by over 100 security people. They prevented the bomber from getting closer. 50 of them died. God rest their souls.

BB

What I saw in the documentary about her, is that the charges of corruption etc were actually never proven.

The cases against her were still in the courts when she made this deal with musharraf, whereby no cases can EVER be brought against her for any corruption committed during the ten years when she was a part of Pakistani politics. And not just her but ALL politicians are exempt from any future accountability over their actions. The slow legal process is a weakness of the Pakistani judicial system which has helped drag on her cases for the last ten years, and not because she was in any way innocent. One of the cases against her in the swiss court was decided early and she was found guilty and ordered to pay the Pakistani government $11 Million. That’s just one case while dozens of such cases were still pending before this amnesty was granted by Musharraf just to prolong his own hold on power.

Why would she fear having her cases heard in a court of law if she is innocent. Why even ask for a complete amnesty if you have nothing to hide?

The fact that she and her husband were extremely corrupt is an open fact in Pakistan. I personally belong to a family which brings me in contact with politicians and bureaucrats. There is no question about how much this husband and wife team looted during their two short terms. Her husband is still known as Mr. 10% because it was his policy that he would take a ten percent cut in every project he got approved through his wife who was then the prime minister. While their party workers were no more than gangsters who used her backing to carry on their own illegal activities in the cities and villages. Now these same gangsters are jumping for joy on the streets because they see another looting spree being conveniently organized by Musharraf himself.  

How dare musharraf give all these corrupt and power hungry politicians general amnesty for their crimes while hundreds of poor helpless people languish in jails for decades without any decision on their cases. Did he ask the nation in a referrendum whether we also approve of this? This wasn't his personal money which he could forgive, this was national wealth that was systematically syphoned off while the poor languished in poverty. The reason why Musharraf came to power through a bloodless coup was because he promised accountability of all the crimes committed by politicians and bureaucrats, but now that he has lost support among the masses, he is helping those same criminals come back so they may support him to remain in command of the nation for another decade (or more).

Why would she fear having her cases heard in a court of law if she is innocent. Why even ask for a complete amnesty if you have nothing to hide?

Well... I can imagine that if high-up people are out to get you out of the political picture, wich - let's face it - is really not uncommong in the region, then wheter you are really guilty or not can proove to be not all that important.

It happened before, it will happen again.

But, truth be told, I don't know that much about the history, so I'll leave it in the middle and give both sides the benefit of doubt.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!

I'll wholeheartly agree with you on that one.