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Thread: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.


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Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 12, 2006 6:49 AM
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A destructive escalation is in full swing now between Israel and Hizbollah in the wake of Israel's military campaign in Lebanon following the killing of 8 Israeli soldiers and abduction of  two others .

How do you read such an escalation entirely, and what's the possible way out in your opinion?

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Amir18

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Posted: Jul 13, 2006 8:51 AM   in response to: selected in response to: selected
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If Hizballah was the first to start it-and it was the first-then Hizballah has to stop it first.Otherwise Hizballah is the aggressor,and Israel is the attacked.

For_Humanity

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Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:06 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Yes, Hizbollah started it, but why?

Have you thought of the lebanese prisoners behind the bars of the Israeli prisons? Just a question?



Amir18

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Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:22 AM   in response to: For_Humanity in response to: For_Humanity
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For_Humanity,and why did the lebanese citizens get in israeli prisons?How did they get in Israel,and what did they get there for?have you ever thought about this?

x_dark_venom_x


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Amir18
Posted: Jul 29, 2006 7:11 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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This is also for you...


http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

AdamMuhammad

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Posted: Jul 30, 2006 6:28 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Dear Muslim believer,Brothers and Sisters.
Our Brothers and sisters in Labenon are killed by Israel using the so call smart bome supplied by the American.They are continue sending this bome thru England and we could only see it??
I read that Egype, Saudi and Jordan are not move with what is happening in Ghaza and Labenon. Are they not our muslim brothers and sisters. Ooooooo Allah what is happening to this ummah....are we not a believer? What is other punishment that will fall on to us, until we submit to Your word?

Peaceful Me


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For Humanity
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:23 AM   in response to: For_Humanity in response to: For_Humanity
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Of course everyone knows there are Lebanese prisoners in Israel, many who no doubt are imprisoned unfairly. But does starting a wider conflict make sense. Does sacrificing more lives make it all better? Or worse?

Worse, in my opinion.

Salaam Alaikum,
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For_Humanity

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Posted: Jul 20, 2006 2:48 AM   in response to: Peaceful Me in response to: Peaceful Me
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Dear peaceful Muslima,

What I have understood from this Hizbullah operation is that they wanted to take prisoners for a swap. The lebanese did the very same "operation"  two or three years ago and managed to swap a lot of lebanese prisoners for three israeli dead bodies and a high-rank army official. They did it before, and no war started on this very broaden scope. I'm not really siding with the lebanese, but moreover with the truth and justice.  Thanks a lot for your time.



jecroixenjustice

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Re: For Humanity
Posted: Aug 1, 2006 7:35 PM   in response to: Peaceful Me in response to: Peaceful Me
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when you can stand up to say no to authorities that practice the ugliest crimes against their people and others.you will understand that it's worth to sacrifice half of the world muslims (shouhadah) for the rest half to live with dignity and with no fear of the terrorism of Israel and USA.

we are not chikens or cowards.we are jalous about the babies blood on the walls and in the street.we need to fight the poverty and the stealing of our oil.we need to free the al aqsa mosque from the dirty nation.we need democracy to say no when we see the injustice and massacres committed in our people.we need to be proud of our nation .no to ignorance,to poverty,to terrorism that Israel is using to confirm its dirty existence,no to arab governments,no to nuclear weapons,no to massacres,no to staeling our oils to fund more and more clever bommbs,no to pollution that Israel does in Nile river in Egypt and Jordon and In the mediterranean sea,no to stealing so lebanon's water and soils.

with all my heart i hope you understood the message.see why we are prepared to sacrifice 700 millions muslims>???



shlemazl

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 26, 2006 12:19 PM   in response to: For_Humanity in response to: For_Humanity
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"Have you thought of the lebanese prisoners behind the bars of the Israeli prisons? Just a question?"

Yes I did.  Have a look:

 http://shlemazl.blogspot.com/2006/07/hezbollah-about-to-strike-syria.html



AdamMuhammad

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:22 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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There is always a state of war between both side, thus, it's only logical for Hizbollah to retaliate the Israel aggration all this years.
But, I just don't understand my Muslim brothers .... espeacially the Arabs.... Where are U when your brothers and sisters are killed? If we are affraid to make the changes, then we are as guilty of letting our brothers and sisters killed by the Isreal with the support of an American and most of European counters...
The Arabs are only interested in following their master....an American...

Amir18

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:26 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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I am not going to consider anyone my brother only because he is a Muslim.Is bin Laden my brother?By no means.

And i do not see,in which way Israel was aggressive in all these years.I think that Hizbollah has been the instigator of the tension between Lebanon and Israel,with Iran standing behind Hizbbollah all these years.



AdamMuhammad

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Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:53 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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When Soviet enter Afgan, osama bin ladin was their to help liberate that country. Come 911 all accusation were directed to Osama and his helpers, their is still no prove of their involvement and you who call yourself Muslim are listening to your Master rather then your brothers. Why not turn to AlQuran and find solution to your misery.

Amir18

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 10:02 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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We are at the political forum,not at the theological one.And The Sacred Quran ,as far as i know,says nothing about bin Laden.This is first.

Second.Only a very biased person(like you) can still hope that the conspiracy theories about 911 will be taken seriously now.This massacre had been done by those who call themselves Muslims.Maybe you are ready to take them as your brothers,but i am not.



endeavorhaqq

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:23 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Are you really a Muslim?  Or perhaps a teenaged Muslim who has only a slight idea about history in the Middle East?

Peaceful Me


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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 19, 2006 12:10 PM   in response to: endeavorhaqq in response to: endeavorhaqq
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Methinks that amir aka erizito is a wannabe Muslim but his parents won't let him convert ;)

tee hee!

Salaam alaikum,
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tariq_ziad

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 28, 2006 6:11 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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yes alquran really did even mention baout bin laden....but alquran did mention baout those who fought fisabilillah.......my advice to you...dont use your own knowledge-less brain to judge about alquran...because there is a lot of people is getting in a wrong way jsut because of misjudging the alquran...they judge using their own brain not by knowledge.....ask our islamic scholar first before judging any sentences in Alquran.....as Alquran is the holy Kalamullah......not a creatures...not something you can play...

x_dark_venom_x


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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 29, 2006 7:04 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Amir18...you really need to get your facts straight. NOT calling Israel(The Government) an agressor? Wow...obviously you aren't aware of the apparent genocide that has been going on by the Israeli Government since 1948. And yes, OBL is accountable for 911 but guess WHO helped him make his dream come true? Here...educate yourself.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060723174254601

http://www.palestinecampaign.org/archives.asp?xid=460

IF you are a TRUE brother of Islam...then you should check your facts first BTW...nobody ever said they considered OBL as their brethern...

MountainWoman

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Posted: Jun 20, 2007 11:49 PM   in response to: x_dark_venom_x in response to: x_dark_venom_x
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Here are some real facts for all Muslims:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/



Nadia_kq

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 31, 2006 1:21 PM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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i totally agree with you, brother. we muslims should be very clear about the world propaganda against islam. with regard to that we should know that the so called al-qaeda is none other than the very soldiers who americans helped recruit to bring down its threat that was russia. but once that was accomplished and those mujahideen started turning towards other occupied lands of muslims america saw the threat to israel and turned against the very body she herself created. and thus these so called terrorists were born there non-existant deeds being promoted in the media as the 'islamic holy war'. can we muslims seriously trust the western media, all of which is in jewish hands. to give you an example, a poll recently showed that about 38% british think that it is the paletinians that are occupying israel. this is the extent of the bias and propaganda of the western media!

and shame on us for believing in their lies against our own brethren in faith



Jamna

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 14, 2006 10:11 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Hisbollah attacked Israel MILITARY post in the Bekaa Valley. They killed soldiers and took prisoners of war. I believe the Bekaa Valley is an OCCUPIED territory...that lands do not belong to the state of Israel going by the UN partition 1948.

Clearly, Israel is the root of the problem.



freeminded

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Posted: Jul 16, 2006 3:40 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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salm alykoum,

To my knowledje is every muslim a brother of the other ,that 's how it was in the time of the prophet(sws) and that's also how it's now.

Ali



Amir18

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Posted: Jul 17, 2006 6:26 PM   in response to: freeminded in response to: freeminded
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I do not know,how it was in the times of the Prophet(sws),i had not lived in that time,and we can rely only on the Ahadith.But NOW it´s suewly not so.Bin Laden is not my brother.Ahmadinejadd-neither.Basaev-by no means.And evidently,i am not Sarkeranwar´s brother,and he is not mine.

NaS786

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Posted: Jul 17, 2006 6:39 PM   in response to: freeminded in response to: freeminded
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Asalaamwal'aikum,

I think nowadays Muslims are all forgetting about Islamic unity because some of us are pompous and some of us are humble. For that reason, my brother, I believe all Islamic nations are getting their butts kicked! The West wants to divide and Christianize..or "Zionize", so they are trying to break what we once had was unity.

I wish we were in the times of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), because there was more peace than there is now. Only Allah knows what will happen next.

*~NaS~*



bluocean


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Posted: Jul 22, 2006 10:29 PM   in response to: NaS786 in response to: NaS786
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salaam,

Ihappen to agree with the "****-kicked" part.



Beowulf

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 21, 2006 10:16 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Bogus claptrap.

"...not going to consider anyone my brother..." Then, by your own admission, you are most assuredly not a believing Muslim.

Further, for the likes of you to try to pretend in public no less that you are not aware of the FACT that Hizbollah was formed due to Itsahell aggression against the innocent is to make yourself the laughing stock of all informed individuals across the planet.

Suit yourself.

Hizbollah hasn´t "started" anything, and the illegal and entirely illegitimate Itsahell bogus "nation state" is a racist regime that conducts itself precisely as the earlier Nazis... But then, come to think of it, who would know better how to conduct themselves like Nazis than their equals, the xenophobic "Zionists", hmmm?

Itsahell is an anathema created by and for  western colonial imperialist corporate interests as any educated individual well knows.

Equally,as we also well know, a great many of that odious group of criminals are in fact...well, let me rephrase that...., pay lipservice to being "jewish".

There will be no peace with state funded and state operated terrorists who are supporting the crimes that have been enacted, and are in point of fact openly castigated repeatedly over the last fifty years by the UN, to no avail.

I see it like this:

Greater Palestine will become a reality and it will be a pluralist state controlled by a democratic majority which will ensure that it is a state that at least tries to adhere to Islam. Those so called "jews" who don´t care to participate in an open, pluralist, democratic society can always walk on water back to the Europeans that have butchered them in their millions for the last 700+ years.

Which is a FACT that cannot be claimed when it comes to Muslim relations with "jews" prior to their crimes against the innocent in Greater Palestine.

Lebanon will regain it´s sovereign status and western colonial imperialists & their so called "jewish" toads who have deliberately manipulated the rights of innocent Arabs and others needn´t wonder IF there will be personal reprisals, only WHEN.

Solutions:  You bet.

1. Send every single "jew" that cannot produce evidence of their legitimate right to continue residing in Greater Palestine packing. That legitimacy will never be gained by trying to pretend that adhering to the criminal interests of foreign corporate fascists gives them any special rights other than the right to be tried for their personal complicity in the crimes against the innocent, of course. It will be gained by being able to produce bona fide evidence that their family resided in Greater Palestine PRIOR to the western colonial-imperialist bridgehead maneuver in the region...

2. Demand that the Europeans, ie Italians, Germans, & possibly Russians, who caused the crime also pay the full price; THEY can house the "jews" on the lands and properties they stole from them while they raped,butchered, and worse the innocent  "jews"  in the 30´s and 40´s.

The evidence is in plain view, and there is no difference between a dollar and a swastika. Or a star of david, for that matter. Please do save your breath, for the citizen IS responsible for the conduct of her representation.

As for that bad ole Hizbollah having the NERVE to conduct military operations against military targets and even having the GALL to capture enemy troops is, well, is just plain normal tactics. You wear the uniform, you accept the challenges of the job. It is that simple. So go sqawk somewhere else about Itsahell troops being worsted, who cares! They commit the crimes against the innocent daily and they pay the full price.

You people (western neocons and their jackals) are going to lose this war, too. In fact, you already have by your own refusal to adhere to the rules of war, the UN statutes regarding human rights, the Geneva Convention, and by your deliberate and entirely criminal  targeting of democratically elected representatives and civilians because, because, well because you don´t like their opinions.

Jews? Where? All I see are stinking Nazis and  cowards pretending to be "citizens" preparing for the grave they themselves dug.

Three Cheers for Hizbollah!

Three Cheers for Hamas!

Three Cheers for Iran!

Free MENA Now!



song77

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Your vision is blurred by hate
Posted: Jul 21, 2006 10:41 AM   in response to: Beowulf in response to: Beowulf
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Israel will continue to exist as long as the United States exists.  To destroy Israel would be equivalent to attacking the US.  So you might as well add the US to your list of people needing to be mass murdered (no wonder you mention your old friends the Nazis).  So now in order for your wacked out vision to work out, you'll not only have to defeat Israel (highly questionable) but the US also.  Then since this will be an attack on the US, you'll actually be attacking all of its allies as well.  So you might as well add to that list, Great Britain, Europe, Russia, China, India, Japan, Argentina, Brazil and probably about a hundred more smaller countries that you now will need to exterminate.   So obviously your vision is fatally flawed. 



spahic

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Posted: Jul 23, 2006 4:30 PM   in response to: song77 in response to: song77
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USA will destroy it self, it is o'ready in decline..,society  are going down,ROME IMPERIA=USA IMPERIA=GONE BY 100-200Y TIME,INSHALLAH, We win our selfs to the death,MASHALLAH

i feel sorryy for jewish peaple 2000 y in great pain-so many die,feel sorryy secend time , WHAT THER LEARN  FROM IT,??YESTERDAY-AUSCHWIC-TODAY PALESTINA

That is why ISRA-HELL will never  SURVIVE,



jecroixenjustice

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Posted: Jul 31, 2006 4:59 AM   in response to: song77 in response to: song77
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before Israel was born, i don't believe that muslims ever hated jews.when Europe cut them into peices, they didn't find a rescue safer then muslim countries.but now it's different story.I think you are the one who has a blurred vision about what this illegal government from the whole world.If you know what's the great Israel is then i need no further explanations.if not ,may God light up your heart and eyes.

Israel is the monster that will end the world by nuclear weapons.please refer to their holy book and their religious books.Israel as a state is the greatest sin that God will never forgive muslims and christians for giving birth to.

Israel is the cause and result for this planet to explode into peices.don't ever feel fearfull because the end of everyone is coming is coming.let's die at least with some dignity we can be proud of, after what it is called Israel came to life.



aspacia

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Re: Your vision is blurred by hate
Posted: Jul 31, 2006 12:56 PM   in response to: jecroixenjustice in response to: jecroixenjustice
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Hot Spots, you bet you sweet bupkis that Arab Muslims hated Jews. Arafat's uncle the Grand Mufti helped the Nazis murder Jews. Jews, aided by wealthy brethren like the Rothchilde's, purchased huge chunks of basically fertile, but underpopulated areas in the "Holy" land from Arabs and the dilapidated Ottoman rulers. The Jews went there because they believed no one would mind since it was only inhabited by a few Arab nomads. Read what Mark Twain, Karl Marx, and Winston Churchill wrote regarding the area during their journalist years.

As the land prospered, more and more indigenous individuals came to this area. Remember, Arafat was born in Egypt. In 1919, Arabs started massacring the Jews, wiping out whole villages. Think time frame, 1870-1919, 50 years. Sharon is a product of this violence, not the Holocaust. Jews retaliated slaughtering many Muslims.

Then after the Holocaust, many Jews fled to this area, only to have the British military prevent entry. Read Exodus for insight. The Jews retaliated and attacks the British military, and blew-up the David Hotel.

Eventually, the Brits left as their empire had collapsed after WWII. Truman, grieved and angered regarding the European Holocaust (remember the USA is a product of Europe) pushed through Resolution 181 creating the Israeli state. The Arab World is outraged despite the FACT Israel asked to live in peace with all her neighbors. The well-armed, well-manned invaded the underarmed (1 tank), undermanned Israel with 5 armies and 40 Brit. officers to advise. The Arab World lost this war, and many other wars which they instigated, including Nassar's Aqaba blockade.

Since, Arab Muslims cannot win fair and square, they resort to terror using civilians as human shields, attacking and justifying attacking any Israeli, including babes.

Remember, the militants hide among civilians, their brethren as it is good PR when civilians die.

Hot Spots, you have no concept of the valid history of this issue. You read the distortions, omissions and blatant lies regarding Israel. I read you press. There was a Holocaust; your religious and government leaders promote violence and discrimination, remember the "Kill a Jew and go to Heaven" or the "Jews are descended from swine and apes" from the hadiths.

Yes, Israel uses a great deal of force, do you blame them. If Muslims can claim every Israeli is a legitimate target, why shouldn't Israel have the same stance. They do not, as they do have a sense of civilization, and do not have the death penalty. They have turned a small area, with zero oil, into a thriving land. Now take a look at the rest of the Middle-East.

Let us take it one step further. Look at India and Pakistan. Both had many refugees and were created at the same time. Now look at India's economy and Pakistan's. Think for a minute.

jecroixenjustice

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Posted: Jul 31, 2006 5:57 PM   in response to: aspacia in response to: aspacia
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I don't know where you got < kill a jew and go to heaven from> this is basically a saying of the jews themselves.<donate a dollar and kill an arab>.but regardless of what people in the street says, there are some facts that no body can denie unless we are really blind.why they didn't create Israel somewhere in usa or russia??? they have huge lands and plenty food and billions of dollars.it's because they have to wait for the real jesus (as they say) to make them the kings of the Earth and help them to kill and clean the planet from every body other then them.

yes they have a bad history with muslims,christians and nazis and feroes before and many groups of people.did you ever thought if you multiply 0 by 1, what's the result??? it's 0.and 0*2=0 and 0*100=0.and 0*5000=0.and whatever no by 0,we will come to the same 0. do you think the problem is with all the numbers in the world??? of course not logic.it's with the zero itself.

the jews are this zero that can't live peacefully with any one.why do you think hetler burnt them??because they were trying hard to dominate his country.the man knew what they are up to.by the way hetler was an artist.what can tranform an artist to an criminal criminal??? don't ever believe that arabs wern't waiting for their turn to come after the jews.

anyway let's look now.imagine someone invaded your home,do you smile to him and say oh you welcome and give up??? even the animals won't do it.no body understand how you steal somneone's property and want to live peacefully in it.??? and this peace is by force and illegal weapons.instead of accusing muslims of terrorism,try to put yourself in their shoe.



bluocean


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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 22, 2006 10:35 PM   in response to: Beowulf in response to: Beowulf
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good for you

at least people like you know how to speak the truth. Frankly i aslo believe Syria and Iran are the only "islamic" countries who know how to stand up for themselves and refuse to take commands from world conspirator : USA



notsoeasilyfooled

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 23, 2006 12:04 AM   in response to: Beowulf in response to: Beowulf
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speaking of the truth, Hezbollah days are numbered.  Sure, they can exist in someone's basement (or a cave in Pakistan/Afghanistan border), but they are soon to be exterminated.

I like how Hezbollah incites a war, them tries to make the local population love them for giving them aid during this time of crisis, of course initiated by Hezbollah.  Wouldn't need their help if they weren't around to make life miserable.  That's why all of the Arab league has condemned Hezbollah's actions, they know they are self-destructive also.



Abu Salma


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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Aug 1, 2006 3:23 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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Dear Amir,

To consider all Muslims as brothers is a Qur'anic ordinance by which all Muslims should abide and be committed to. This is first.

Second, I agree with you, Israel cannot be percieved as the aggressor and here're some evidences:

1. It was Hizbullah who promised the Zionists of the Promised Land and gathered them all from the four parts of the world to come to occupy Palestine.

2. It is Hizbullah who occupied the Golan Hieghts and South Lebanon for more than two decades now.

3. It is Hizbullah who kills our brothers and sisters in Palestine everyday.

4. It is Hizbullah who perminantly uses the Veto to prevent any action that should be taken against the Israeli aggression.

and, and, and ......



jecroixenjustice

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Posted: Aug 1, 2006 7:08 PM   in response to: Abu Salma in response to: Abu Salma
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hizbollah people are our uncles and parents.they have the highest human values in the whole world.I am not religiously the same as them but i believe in the justice they want to dominate on the planet.they are the goodness against the badness.they are holy souls.i lived between them and i know exactly where they are coming from.sister Salma,,It is israel the monster which intends to kill our children and babies and celebrate after that.

Sister Salma,,you are very wrong about hizbollah,maybe coz you are too ignorant to understand that all they want is their land and prisoners in the dirty Israli prisons and to live in dignity away from bush nose and Olmert thirst of blood.

If you are ignorant,please refer to the jews holy books and even their normal books.they are full of hate for every nation even for arab jews themselves.they are racist people and love to see pools of blood.

If you are not ignorant and you support Israel,may God open your eyes



Peaceful Me


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AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:26 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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The overwhelming majority of Arabs I know don't consider American their "master" and luckily can think for themselves rather than lap up the poisonous rhetoric people like you like to pour out.

You must not know many Arabs.

Salaam Alaikum,
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AdamMuhammad

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Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:41 AM   in response to: Peaceful Me in response to: Peaceful Me
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Being working in Doha for 8 years and knowing them in city of London had teach me alot about the Arabs. Muhammad SAW were given to you by Allah all mighty, but you turn to American as your helper and in turn become their slave.

Peaceful Me


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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:48 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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Hmmmm. I am entering my 8th year in Doha and I sure see a different Arab mentality than you do.

And btw, I am American and my husband is Kuwaiti, but I am no master and he is no slave. Drop the ridiculous rhetoric ;)

Salaam Alaikum,
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AdamMuhammad

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 9:57 AM   in response to: Peaceful Me in response to: Peaceful Me
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Geee.... U will only see thing in your American head not thru the misery of those people killed by your American fund to Isreal. May Allah give you guidance.

Peaceful Me


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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 10:04 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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I have no problem distinguishing right from wrong and the US funding of Israel is wrong in my opinion. Furthermore, since I have family in Palestine, and family who had their land stolen by the Israelis, I have no difficulty thinking with my "American head" and understanding right and wrong. ;)

"May Allah give you guidance."

And you as well, brother. May you learn to think for yourself, insha'Allah.

Salaam Alaikum,
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Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 11:03 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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Asslamu Alaykum brother

Please know that this woman “PM” is a well known hypocrite here! Hypocrites are enemies of Islam and muslims (see Surah 63. Al-Munafiqûn). The hypocrites and all the hostile posters from among the kuffar here should be treated harshly as ordained in Islam!

May Allah bless the believers and the mujahideen who are fighting the aggressive kuffar and their tails from among the Ummah.  

63.8…But honour, power and glory belong to All h, His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and to the believers, but the hypocrites know not.



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Sarkeranwar
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 11:10 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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May Allah shower blessings and kindness on you in the manner that you so richly deserve.

Salaam Alaikum,
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Amir18

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 2:25 PM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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Sarkeranwar,i saw no hypocrisy in the posts by Peaceful Muslimah,but i saw a lot of intolerance and silly bragging in yours.Your calls to be harsh to those you consider "hypocrites" have nothing to do with islam.And your calls to be harsh to kuffar,when israeli war planes are circling in the sky over Beirut,and the israeli troops are already in Lebanon,all this without any serious resistance from those who sweared by Allah that they will "fight to the end", are simply ridiculous.

Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 13, 2006 7:08 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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I know PM for two years now!

The reason you do not see PM as a hypocrite is because you are one of the hypocrites. And hypocrites men and women are from one another as Allah says in the Holy Quran (interpretation of the meaning):

009 - Al-Towba   67. The hypocrites, men and women, are from one another…..

I guess, you are too ignorant to understand this!



Amir18

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 14, 2006 1:33 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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That is because of such as you,limited ,biased, intolerant and ignorant people,that 250 millions of arabs living in the countries with the richest natural resources in the world live in poverty and misery,making the laughing stock of themselves and our religion before the rest of the world.But i see you are too ignorant to understand it.

jecroixenjustice

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Aug 2, 2006 11:30 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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they are defending ,they didn't give up and they won't.Israel won in destroying roads and bridges and killing children and civilians.but it lost in making us slaves like most arabs.

jecroixenjustice

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Aug 2, 2006 11:41 PM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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we still are prepared to sacrifice 3/4 of all lebanese and we won't give up.Israel achieved absolutely nothing and that's why they are hitting walls and going crazy in killing and destroying with all their stupid bombs.when you fight for your freedom and land and indepency you have to sacrifice a lot of souls and properties.

Israel is paying high price too



maryimran


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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 14, 2006 7:24 PM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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I can't believe I actually agree with Sak. Israel is asking for it.  I don't understand why Syria and Iran don't do something.  All talk and no action.

Iran and Syria's leaders need to follow Allah and not there own political gain.  If they want to help our Muslim brothers and sisters they need to take action-now!  They won't because they are cowards!  If they really cared about Lebanon and all the Muslim and Non-Muslims dieing then they would act and stop talking so much.  I don't like Israel.  I know I am American, however, Israel is STUPID!!!!



sahara2


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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 20, 2006 11:10 AM   in response to: maryimran in response to: maryimran
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The ME nations are probably reluctant to make war agaisnt Israel, because they know the US will make it THEIR war, and they will take Israel's side, right or wrong. It is not simply a local conflict, even though it really should be... since it is the lives of the loca people that are being effected. But the US put Israel there, and means to keep them there. Never forget it is US weapons and money that make all that Israel does, possible. And those others who receive aid and money from the US, would quickly lose it, if they didnt cooperate with US agendas.

We are all waiting for the US to condemn Israel's clearly wrong actions, but it has not happened yet.

I too would like to see something happen, but unless the US gets on board, and finally lets go of it's 'blind support for Israel',  which is based on religious fanaticism and not on common sense, it's probably not going to happen. Perhaps these 'Christians' believe that by postponing the inevitable conflict with Israel, they are also postponing 'Armageddon'? After all, they have their Christian 'mythology' which they believe in, which says when all the nations of the earth come together to attack Israel, that will be the 'end of the world'...

Myself, I do not believe that God recognizes these people who now call themselves 'Israel', as 'His people', at all. God's people are only those who actually follow and obey God. This would not apply to the 'Israel' that we know today. Why would God protect such evil people, as those who inhabit Israel now?



zeinab1408

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 6:42 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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"Believers are brothers"(Al-Hugurat)

Our Prophet (PBUH) said: "Don't turn infidels after my death that you kill each other".

Please don't describe your Muslim sister as a hypocrite just for her different opinion than yours. It's not her guilt to be an American. We are all Muslims regardless of being Arabs, Asians, Europeans or Americans.



Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 10:14 AM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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Who told you that I have described PM as a hypocrite just for her different opinion than mine? Who told you that I regard her as a guilty person because she is American? Please response with evidence?



zeinab1408

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 10:59 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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Nobody has the right to call a Muslim "hypocrite" or "infidel" without seeing an observant action or hearing a word that opposes the tawheed (believing that there is no God but Allah). Such words and actions must have evidence from Koran and Sunna that confirms their opposing to the tawheed.

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Rest Assured sister
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 11:12 AM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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I believe there in no God but Allah and I believe Muhammad (saw) was His prophet.

Thank you for trying to defend me against Sarkeranwar's accusations. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone can reach him but I don't let him worry me.

Salaam Alaikum,
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zeinab1408

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Re: Rest Assured sister
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 8:29 AM   in response to: Peaceful Me in response to: Peaceful Me
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I know that you are a Muslim, but about my opinion, I see that Israel presence is originally illegal, as it is based on conquering an Arab land and driving its citizens away. I also think you don't accept that Israel conquers an independant country and destroy it.

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Sister Zeinab
Posted: Jul 19, 2006 12:07 PM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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You are correct. I do not accept what Israel is doing and I cannot understand how it is being allowed to continue. I pray for Lebanon- her people, her land and her God-given resources.

Salaam Alaikum,
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Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 5:29 PM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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You have not responded to my questions!

Do not deflect! Answer the questions! 



EclipseBeowulf

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 7:54 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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Sarkeranwar, what are the reasons then ?

Answer MY question, Sarkeranwar ! And please DO NOT deflect !

Is it right that you called her hypocrite without any reason ?

Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:08 AM   in response to: EclipseBeowulf in response to: EclipseBeowulf
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No, I have not called her a hypocrite without reasons!

This woman denies the authentic Sunnah/Ahadith of our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). She sometimes even makes fun of authentic Ahadith (especially those that do not suit her ignorant soul). She gangs up with the hostile kuffar against muslims. She supplicated that brother Basayev be burnt in Hell! She openly takes side and supports other hypocrites in their transgressions against Allah’s Commands. These are just some of her contributions here!            



EclipseBeowulf

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:25 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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"She supplicated that brother Basayev be burnt in Hell !"

If this is can be a reason for calling her hypocrite , then please call me a hypocrite too, as I agree that Shamil Basayev is a criminal,evil man,etc etc, and this is not my caracterization about Basayev but his self portrait. He admitted this , and i am not going to contradict him.

Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:52 AM   in response to: EclipseBeowulf in response to: EclipseBeowulf
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What is the point of calling a kaafir a hypocrite? You said you are not a muslim. Therefore I do not care what a kaafir thinks about brother Basayev or other muslims.



Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 7:52 PM   in response to: malayse in response to: malayse
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Brothers Basayev and Zarqawi died as martyred Insha Allah. Their abode is Paradise. On the other hand, it is kaafirs like you who will be burnt in Hell for eternity if you die not in a state of Islam. Therefore, I suggest you to become a muslim and die as a muslim. Don’t die as a kaafir!



EclipseBeowulf

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:30 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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One more thing Sarkeranwar,

This proves that you have called her hypocrite because she has different opinions. It's her opinion that Basayev should burn in hell , or whatever she denies ... .

You have answered to your own questions before.

Amir18

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Then i am a complete hypocrite,too
Posted: Jul 17, 2006 8:51 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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i also am very doubtful about some Ahadith  that are considered authentic.if i believed that they are authentic,then our Prophet(PBUH) could be blamed with a lot of terrible things he simply could not do.

i also gang up with kuffars against Muslims,in particular if these "Muslims" are Usama bin Laden,Nasrallah,Basaev(whose death i welcome as i would welcome the death of a mad dog,and whose sould i hope is now burning in hell) or Ahmadinejjad.

Don´t forget to put me on your list of the hypocrites.



Sarkeranwar

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Re: Then i am a complete hypocrite,too
Posted: Jul 17, 2006 9:06 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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You have already past the stage of hypocrisy! I treat you as a jew! In fact brother Nosrul has explained to you already as to why you are one of them. May Allah’s curse be on them!



Amir18

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tit for tat
Posted: Jul 17, 2006 1:22 PM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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You have also already passed the initail stage of srupidity.From now on I shall treat you as a complete cretin.

And the curse of Allah will be on you and such as you,for whom the life of a Muslim is not worth a cent.



zeinab1408

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Re: Then i am a complete hypocrite,too
Posted: Jul 19, 2006 4:04 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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First, you must ask an honest Islamic scholar about the authenticity of the ahadith you doubt they are authentic and for their real meaning. Authenticity of ahadith is based on studies and doesn't yield to your own desires. Also don't depend on your mind without specialized study to undersand the ahadith correctly. Second, not all the Muslims are like Bin Laden and Zarqawi. Think carefully before believing what you hear.  Third, the Jews you say we can co-exist with are those who have lived originally in Palestine under the rule of Islam, not those who came from everywhere in the world, invaded Palestine and committed crimes such as the massacre of Deir Yassin, don't you know about it? Finally, if you are a real Muslim, you must love your Ummah, wish good for it and be loyal to it, even if it has problems.

Our prophet (PBUH) knew that our Ummah will face problems and have defects, yet he never cursed us, he loved us dearly. I repeat: not all Muslims are like Bin Laden and Zarqawi, and Islam never permitted killing the innocent people, destroying and damaging the land 



jecroixenjustice

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Re: Then i am a complete hypocrite,too
Posted: Aug 1, 2006 12:17 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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I think you better go to your night clubs and the women you picked up from such places, and have a cigy before starting your job and leave this site to those who really want to express their deep sorrows for those shouhada that your master Olmert cut them into pieces with his stupid bombs.I bet if they are your kids or sisters or brothers you will rage like a broken wild lion to take revenge for his little dead deformed babies.

Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:22 AM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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Assalamu Alaykum

Sister, you should have asked me first as to why she is called a hypocrite instead of starting with lecturing. Anyway, in case you may want to know – here are the reasons!

This woman denies the authentic Sunnah/Ahadith of our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). She sometimes even makes fun of authentic Ahadith (especially those that do not suit her ignorant soul). She gangs up with the hostile kuffar against muslims. She supplicated that brother Basayev be burnt in Hell! She openly takes side and supports other hypocrites in their transgressions against Allah’s Commands. She also believes that Israel is a legitimate state! These are just some of her contributions here!            

Please know that hypocrites are not muslim! They are enemy and Allah asked the believers to beware of them.   



zeinab1408

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 18, 2006 7:18 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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Excuse me, I've read what you think about Basayeev and Zarqawi. Don't forget that Islam prohibited killing the innocent people. Zarqawi harmed Islam, never benefited it. Also insulting your Muslim brothers harms Islam, as the others will think we are intolerant and hate us more. Beware of harming your religion and Ummah while intending to benefit them.



Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 18, 2006 9:34 PM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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There is no such term as “innocent” in Shariah. So, correct your understanding in this regard!

And you still do not understand! I do not insult muslims. I am harsh against the enemies of Islam which includes the hypocrites. Islam commands harsh treatment for the hostile kuffar and the hypocrites. If you do not know this then please study more!  

   

You should ask Allah to forgive you for your ignorant comment against brother Zarqawi and your slandering of muslim brothers Basayev and Zarqawi. Remember what Allah says in the Holy Quran (interpretation of the meaning):

49:11. O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former…..

98:1. Woe to every slanderer and backbiter!

Killing apostates and traitors who help the kuffar against muslim is perfectly fine in Islam. If you do not know this then it is your ignorance. And the ignorant muslims are the one who harm the cause of Islam. Brother Zarqawi followed the true teachings of Islam and has done a great job for Islam and muslims. Only the kuffar and the hypocrites and the ignorant ones from among the Ummah will think otherwise!    

And do not argue with a muslim based on your personal thinking! If you want to make a point then support your point with evidences from the Holy Quran and Sunnah. And do not worry about what other may think when you proclaim the truth. There is nothing wrong to proclaim the truth. In fact Allah commands in the Holy Quran to proclaim the truth. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):      

15:94. Therefore proclaim openly (Allah's Message Islamic Monotheism) that which you are commanded, and turn away from Al-Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, and disbelievers, etc.).



MountainWoman

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 18, 2006 6:19 PM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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So if Muslims do not believe in some sayings that were hand-picked by fallible human beings, it disqualifies them as a Muslim??? You mean you worship your scholars, too?  And if taking help from kaafir automatically disqualifies you as a Muslim and qualifies you as a hypocrite, then bin Laden most definitely is disqualified as a Muslim and he certainly qualifies as a hypcrite, because he took the USA's help to save Afghanistan from the Russians. Therefore, considering the fact that you have taken a kaafir as your hero, you are disqualified as being a Muslim and this qualifies you as being a hypocrite.

Do you seriously believe God would pit all of his children against each other? I only know of one that would do such a thing.



Sarkeranwar

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 18, 2006 10:09 PM   in response to: MountainWoman in response to: MountainWoman
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“Peacemaker” [Mischief Maker is your nickname from me]

So if Muslims do not believe in some sayings that were hand-picked by fallible human beings, it disqualifies them as a Muslim???

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was infallible.

A person claims to be muslim but reject any of his (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) Sunnah / Ahadith which the Ummah has agreed upon as authentic is but a kaafir.    

You mean you worship your scholars, too? 

I do not worship scholar(s). This is your own saying from your mouth. And you are a liar!

And if taking help from kaafir automatically disqualifies you as a Muslim and qualifies you as a hypocrite, then bin Laden most definitely is disqualified as a Muslim and he certainly qualifies as a hypcrite, because he took the USA's help to save Afghanistan from the Russians. Therefore, considering the fact that you have taken a kaafir as your hero, you are disqualified as being a Muslim and this qualifies you as being a hypocrite.

You are a twister! And you always twist and distort the sayings of others to suit your ignorant soul which is full of darkness. Islam prohibits helping the kuffar against the muslims even by the tongue.  If anyone does then he is one of the kaafirs.    

Brother Bin Laden (may Allah protect him) is a sincere and a knowledgeable muslim. He is neither a kaafir, nor a mushrik, nor a hypocrite. On the other hand you are kaafir – a hostile one - and you deserve every harsh treatment from mulsims because of your continuous hostility to Islam and muslims. Brother Bin Laden (may Allah protect him) never sought help from any kaafir. But a kaafir like you will never understand this.   

Do you seriously believe God would pit all of his children against each other? I only know of one that would do such a thing.

Human beings are not children of Allah. They are only human beings whom Allah created to test them. They are His slaves!

Yes, Allah commands His believing slaves to fight the kaafirs and other disobedient slaves in order that they may turn to Allah and thus be saved from the Hell Fire in the Hereafter! But you do not understand this. Therefore, I will not waste my time with you.   



EclipseBeowulf

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 7:50 AM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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Hello people,

First of all I wanna tell you that I am not a muslim but a man.

I was looking for opinions about this war between Israel and Hezbollah, and first i wanted to post my opinion about all these , but unfortunately i have continued to read your posts and what i have seen made me change my mind.
I have seen you, being aggresive with each other, while you were calling each other's brother. That makes me believe that people that started this awful war are very much like you. People that you cannot talk with. It is a shame to see people talking about islam as a tolerant religion and being so aggresive with their "brothers", with NO reason.

This is my honest opinion.

Now, I would like to tell you my opinion about this war.

Everyone knows about the conflict between Israel and the arab world, but more important in the last time , a declarative aggresion on Israel came from the iranian side. As we all know the united nations are on the way to isolate the iranian people due to their nuclear plans. And the iranians think of a possible war as long as they don't want to give up their nuclear ambitions. This way, the iranians are convinced that Israel will join (if not initiate) other forces in a possible war. To avoid this, Iran has supported the engagement of Israel in a war against Hezbollah.

Thank you for your patience to read my post and take care of yourselves !

Best Regards

zeinab1408

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 8:08 AM   in response to: EclipseBeowulf in response to: EclipseBeowulf
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I repeat: Israel doesn't have the right to conquer an independant country, destroy its infrastructure or kill innocent citizens. Also, Muslim and Arab leaders should be united and make a uniform decision to stop Isreal from its illegal actions.

Amir18

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 8:21 AM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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Only if this country does not attack it.After that-it has the right to do with the aggressor practically anythin it wants.A war is a war.

And the actions of Israel are absolutely legal. 



endeavorhaqq

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Re: AdamMuhammad
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:28 AM   in response to: zeinab1408 in response to: zeinab1408
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The Arab and Muslim world is useless really.  Sitting by complaining yet doing nothing but words.  If only the Arab nations united by military action to rescue Lebanon and Palestine, these conflicts would be over with quickly.  But these leaders are afraid.  The Ummah deserves to be subjugated.

BMZ

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Sarkeranwer, You are sick! Please seek help
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:41 PM   in response to: Sarkeranwar in response to: Sarkeranwar
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Calling others Munafiq? Only a Munfiq can do that. Please take some medication for this oral diarrhoea of yours and hang your head in shame.

It's either Allah who is the Judge and will judge or may be you think you are.

Shame on you.

BMZ



MeAgain


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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 14, 2006 2:39 AM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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then we are as guilty of letting our brothers and sisters killed by the Isreal with the support of an American and most of European counters...

FYI: Europe has practically never really sided with Israel.  In fact, 95% of the resolutions AGAINST Israel (that got vetoed every time by the US) were drawn up by or in cooperation with Europe.

As for the situation today, the European commission made a statement today that Israel is taking it too far, that it is breaching international laws such as endangering civilians, destroying economic infrastructure of sovereign nations and that it's violence is very disproportional and has been for a long time.

Don't ever mention again that Israel does all this with support of Europe. 



BMZ

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 17, 2006 8:57 AM   in response to: MeAgain in response to: MeAgain
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MeAgain,

Thanks for your enlightening views. I liked what you said earlier but I can't find that post. US Admin's face is always stuck in the backside of Israel and that helps it.  But that is the truth. If the US Admin wants to remain in that position, they should enjoy that but should not teach others what to do. 



Beowulf

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 21, 2006 10:49 AM   in response to: MeAgain in response to: MeAgain
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Bogus Claptrap.

Talk, especially EUROPEAN talk, is dirt cheap and is as we all can see clearly, not followed by anything remotely resembling concrete steps to halt criminal aggression against the innocent...

But then, aggression against the innocent is something, permit me to remind you lest you forget, Europeans are quite adept at, wouldn´t you agree?

Any fool can figure out that Europeans are completely controlled by the same western corporate criminals as is the US citizenry. There are NO actions or steps taken by European regimes against the crimes of the US rogue state regime or the illegal and entirely contrived Itsahell regime.

Just empty talk while you wait in line for your share of the gorge stolen from the innocent, once again. But then, again, as any fool knows, the history of western civilization, ie European "culture",  is the history of crimes against the innocent writ large by falsely privileged and characterless ... white men.

Fact,  not fiction. It needs to be mentioned ALL the time that Europeans pay lip service to justice whenever it suits the needs of their material interests and keep their mouths tight shut otherwise.

The US as well as Itsahell can be shut down in less than 48 hours and they will RUN to the negotiating table...IF Europeans had anything that resembled, even remotedly, a genuinely democratic, honest representation.

Or, if their leadership had learned ANYTHING from the failures of an earlier version of today´s crimes...

Which, as is obvious from the facts all around us while we watch, they do not and have not.

Don´t ever come around here and try to **** your bogus "innocence" again!

 



rashad06511

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 8:55 PM   in response to: AdamMuhammad in response to: AdamMuhammad
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> There is always a state of war between both side,
> thus, it's only logical for Hizbollah to retaliate
> the Israel aggration all this years.
> But, I just don't understand my Muslim brothers ....
> espeacially the Arabs.... Where are U when your
> brothers and sisters are killed? If we are affraid to
> make the changes, then we are as guilty of letting
> our brothers and sisters killed by the Isreal with
> the support of an American and most of European
> counters...
> The Arabs are only interested in following their
> master....an American...

This is not the Muslims war. Prophet Muhammad has warned us to stay away from this fitna. This is war he warned us about. It is here. This is not a war for Islam. This is a war over land; Muslims are promised Jennah why are they fighting for land?

SZA


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LETS PRAY TOGETHER
Posted: Jul 15, 2006 10:37 PM   in response to: rashad06511 in response to: rashad06511
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All the layman in the street are not afraid to fight in the name of Allah. Their believe in Jannah is secure that they will die fighting to save the religion of Allah. Its only those stooges of the Zionist the heads of the Arab countries that are afraid to lose their wealth and power. Don't you ever wonder why there are no real democracy in these countries like Iran? no wonder the Zionists are chasing after Iran, their objective is to place another of their stooges to power.

Sooner or later, these heads of states will have to bow to the wishes of their countrymen, but if its later, then it might be to late, when all the infrastructure of their country are bombarded by the Israelis and the Americans.

Let's pray together -

OH ALLAH PLEASE GIVE STRENGTH AND UNITY TO OUR FELLOW MUSLIMS TO FIGHT THE UNBELIEVERS AND GIVE US VICTORY IN UPHOLDING TRUTH. AMEEEN



endeavorhaqq

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 9:32 AM   in response to: rashad06511 in response to: rashad06511
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Quran command us to fight on 3 situations?  When we are oppressed from practicing Islam, when we are attacked first, when our property/land is taken unjustly?       Lebanon fits the second, Palestine fits the third.   These are Islam.

ahtesham_rulz

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Re: Israel vs. Hizbollah…Your views.
Posted: Jul 16, 2006 2:07 AM   in response to: Amir18 in response to: Amir18
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If u want to know who started this then u will have to read about how Israel was created.

I recomend one book for u :- 'A breif history of  Israel' by Iqbal Zaheer