With Reference to family talk ,I really really pity the parents who lost thair son while serving disbelivers , who lost such a valuable life for nothing .Moreover  i am more astonished by the comments made by the parents who is proud of   loosing thair son in such a state .I guess that  such comments were made just to please the disbelivers or due to lack of islamic knowledge or due to ignorance  . This is why our muslim brothers & sisters are suffering around the world for which my heart cries . I also pray Allah (swt) to guide these parents to the right path .

No son of mine will be dying to make George Bush and his friends rich, that's for sure. (while meanwhile, we of course, continue to live in poverty)

I already told my son, before the Gulf war, that if he joined the US military, I'd DISOWN him, period. I wont have any 'baby killers' in my family, no murderers of the innocent, no way! Gave him some literature to educate him about the US abuses in Iraq, he seemed to get the message, THANK GOD.

Now, instead of directing his life towards a 'career' in the military, learning how to be an 'efficient killer', he has become a Christian, and devotes his life to helping people...Granted, he's not driving a new car, or making the kind of money those boys in the military do, but he still has possession of his SOUL, which is far more valuable. And he can proudly say today, that he has never in his life killed anyone!

It was a hard thing to do, to tell my son I would disown him, but it seems this necessary harshness paid off, in the long run. Very glad now, that I did it, otherwise, I would likely be burying my only son.

(Now I just need to talk him out of going to Israel to 'prosyletize'...the latest thing his church is trying to talk him into.)

The British forces presence in Afghanistan is considered as an occupation of an Islamic state. When a person coming from a Muslim family serves in these forces, it is a great loss. What a pity! But if a Muslim citizen of non-Islamic country finds his country occupied by another non-Muslim, injust forces, therefore he can serve in his country's army. A Muslim must not sacrifice except for truth and justice.

What ironic situation! We should instead teach our sons to fight in jihad and help our suffering brothers and sisters around the world.

It is truly a pity that his life has ended. He seems both a patriot and a humanitarian. A good example to those who would sterotype. Muslims too can be the best of british.

God rest his soul.

BB

I would wish my son to die in the path of allah....Gone to preach Islam & Eemaan.(doesnt always mean jehad!!)

Even I like to die in the same way.

Bismillah Ar-Rahmah Ir-Raheem

Some of this talk is not of those with knowledge and understanding, and only highlights the prejudices that cripple our ability to communicate with the West.  To die in the defense of the defenseless is to be a martyr, even if the slayer is one who says La ilah allah ilah.  I would defend the life of an innocent be he Christian, Jew, Hindu, or a fellow Moslem.  I would defend his life even if it resulted in the death of one who thinks himself an actor in the Will of God.  Do you not know that the murderer is not a believer when he commits his act unless he is allowed to repent with a sincere repentance to his Lord?  Why then do you not understand that we are cheering for the deaths of those who we should respect and honour in the example of our most beloved Prophet (pbuh)?  We are exalting those who have lost sight of the true spirit of Islam.  Our true purpose when we set out to fight in the way of God is not to destroy lives but to destroy sin and oppression and protect the rights of others regardless of their religion.  May God give us peace and understanding and make the armies of the world embrace each other as brothers.

Im a british muslim and live in east london

I would let my son die for islam his religion for his honour but not by being brain washed or because people say so

when god gives him hidayat (jihad) to do so i have just taken my first steps in the way of god and my son is only seven but inshallah he will live the true way(islam) and die this way also inshallah.

I do agree with you Kansaa. And in the case of the Afghanistan or Iraq wars, it is simply not enough to try and justify it, by saying the 'terrorists' arent behaving like true Muslims, they are threatening innocent people, etc, so therefore that makes it ok to fight against them, because of the simple fact taht SO MANY CIVILIANS have been harmed in these wars, by the invading, and largely non-Muslim forces. And you can bet MOST of these civilians have been Muslims. Perhaps, if the invading forces had acted in a fair and just manner, truly limiting their activities to going after the 'bad guys' (and I also don't think enough reliable proof has been offered, to determine who the 'bad guys' are, in the first place), and made a real effort to minimize civilian casualties, maybe THEN one could justify their support, but that isn't how it's been, is it? 

Civilians and the infrastructure civilians depend on, has been routinely targeted, over and over again, to the point that one is tempted to believe the civilians ARE the actual target of these aggressions.

Imagine how you would feel, if your mother, brothers, sisters, children, grandchildren, lived in one of these areas that are being attacked, and bombed, and raided by invading forces? Would you feel secure about their safety, even if you knew they had no part in any form of 'terrorist activity' or resistance? Would you trust the invading forces to leave them alone, to not drop a bomb on their house, to not rifle their car with machine guns, or somehow spare them from whatever chemical or bio weapon they decided to unleash on their 'enemy,' who appears to be any member of any town or city they decide is 'harboring terrorists'? Of course not! Would you support an invasion, or be part of any invasion, that might conceivably do harm to anyone you truly care about? That's how we should be feeling about the innocent Muslims being harmed in these wars. As if they were members of our own family. We should not be willing to subject them to any more danger, or peril, or hardship, than we would be willing to subject our own children to....

That may seem too peaceful of me to say, but I would still pity those non-Muslims who die in such wars. They are just 'baffalo soldiers who were driven to do things I'm sure they never liked to do, especially when they volunteer just for the hopeless lives of poverty they sometimes lead.Remember that the prophet (peace and prayers be upon him) came as a mercy for all humanity. What Muslims fight for is justice. If the brother's country was fighting for a just cause, trying to liberate people (really liberate them) from an oppressor for example and if all peaceful methods were tried it would have been a noble thing to do I guess. It would have been the other's fault to follow an oppressor and fight his war.

As one of our friends said here, it ends up with an individual scale, Am I fighting a Just case? Were all peaceful means tried? OR am I just following blindly the orders of an odiot for whatever fake aim he's got? I would allow my son or daighter to die for the truth wherever that may be (when i have ones). And may Allah have mercy on this brother and his family, according to what's in their hearts. 

I can't pity them too much, because the US soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are all volunteers, they were not conscripted, so it was always a matter of CHOICE for them. They had the opportunity to make another choice, but did not take advantage of that opportunity. At some point, we all must take responsibility for the choices we make. Most especially when those choices end up taking the lives of innocent people. While I'd like to believe that some in the US military are there because they really believe they're doing the right thing, I know the actual reality is, that most view their time in the military as a 'job', period. They are not concerned with the morality of their actions, or with the effects their actions have on the lives of others, they are only concerned with their paychecks. I live in a Navy town, and this is the attitude I see all around me - consequences be damned, we just want the money, and the things it can buy...They want to drive around in new cars, carry around a fancy cellphone, make a down payment on a house, get their college ed, that's what it's all about. And BECAUSE the US military's ranks are filled primarily by those who live in poor neighborhoods, these people are less inclined to consider anything other than the material benefits. AKA they are our nations most DESPERATE! They are literally willing to do ANYTHING to improve their position in our society. (most, if they werent in the military, would likely be dealing drugs, or engaging in other illegal activities, as it's unlikely they'd be hired, in the civilian sector, considering their levels of education, and their basic moral characters) Our military, in it's current form, NEEDS people who are willing to do anything. They also need people who are not too bright, as an intelligent person might begin to question the things they are being asked to do. They need people who are easily brainwashed, easily led. No one fills this need for them better than the barely educated poor. Intelligent people, and people of conscience stopped joining the military, the day the draft died. They are too smart to throw their lives away for the abstract political agendas of some corrupt politician, and too moral to agree to go along with wars which are not based on any real need to defend the nation.

This situation leaves us with a military that is comprised mainly of the social dregs of our society. Is it any wonder this same military is now in trouble for committing all sorts of international crimes? Since it is comprised mainly of those of an unethical and criminal nature, to begin with, this should not be at all surprising. And these are just the kind of people George Bush needs to pursue his agendas. These are the kinds of people his administration awards and caters to. The Bush Administration has brought out of the woodwork, all the 'low-lifes' in our society, brushed them off, gave them jobs, handed them a badge of 'respectability' (which never actually had to be earned) and is now basically handing control of our nation over to them...

This is bound to have a very bad effect on those in the US who still maintain any level of decency or morals. The controls of our nation have been handed over to criminals. But then, that was the case the day George Bush became president, wasnt it? So now we have a criminal as president, and he controls us and the world, with his band of armed criminals...which is why I can only regard the Bush Administration as a 'criminal organization'. Since it is comprised primarily of criminals, who are in the business of committing criminal and unethical acts, what else can I regard it as?

Allah knows best

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First i dont allow my son to do or not to do...he's old enough to choose the right way...

Second, if he wanna die for something, i would like that to be defending himself from any attacker, not attacking the others

third, this soldier said to be muslim, is either ignorant of what´s happening in  Afghanistan and he thought that he's going their to help, or as most of the muslims living in the western communities forgot everything about islam...

i Would Allow my son die 4 sake of Allah.

on jehad fighting 4 islam

huhhhhhhhhhhhh? O_o