The most sick thing I ever heard of concerning pig's happened a few years ago. I will give link's to it, in case you don't beleive me..lol.. This pig farmer would lure girl's to his pig farm, murder them and feed them to his pig's. They really don't know the exact number aparently. But, estimates are 25 or 26, around there. It could well be much higher, because they say about 63 girls are missing. They only got him on 6 counts..But thats enough to let him enjoy jail life for the rest of his years..IF he survives jail very long. I wonder what happened to the pork he sold? Aparently people could get very sick, seeing as human remains are in that meat. Pigs aparently if there's enough of them can go into an eating frenzy like sharks, if you go in a large pigs pen..they knock you down and eat you, clothes and all aparently. Some pig's weigh about 300 pounds.

http://www.missingpeople.net/remains_at_bc_pig_farm.htm

Funny…. Chickens eat their own poo, yet no one seems to find that disconcerting.

The Jews, early Christian’s and when established, the Muslim faith all held swine as a meat to be left off the dietary menu.

As you pointed out, swine have long been known to fester sickness and disease.

Many in the third world work, play, eat and sleep with their livestock in close proximity and in many places; they even bring livestock into the living quarters.

So it isn’t much of a surprise to most the world when outbreaks like this occur.

Yep, it is spreading fast. Let's hope they find a vacine that is capable of destroying ALL the diffrent strains of it.

Mustaf, you’re something else. Wallah I enjoy reading your posts very much. The first 2 sentences were Ok - STEPS TO TAKE TO AVOID CATCHING SWINE FLU - Avoid all public places.

I thought it was real, but when you talked about the butler, maid & chauffeur, limousine, your own Lear, your pilot your yacht … then I realized the joke, or may be you have all those Mustaf! However, you deserve them all right.

Be safe

Yes, I agree we must have a sense of humour. Some people go through life worrying about thing's that never happen. They can only see the negative and dark side of things. If people beleive the worst will happen, it usually does. I try to be positive in thought. Makes life much easier.

cheers.

Yack.

I agree and here's why.  http://alternative-doctor.com/blog/swine-flu-outbreak-the-truth-is-ugly/

Cover you mouths & noses while coughing and sneezing, wash your hands often, eat fresh garlic (it has antiviral properties) , avoid consuming sugar (it lowers immunity), avoid shaking hands n kissing if u indulge in that a lot, (oh better yet, avoid breathing if possible lol)

ANYWAY THIS IS MY OPINION,I AM STILL A MEDICAL STUDENT.

Thanks for the advice.

We had a serious outbreak of sars few years ago. We managed to contain it though. If you went in a hospitol you had to fill a paper out, wear a mask, wash your hands etc. It spread very fast. Someone went to another place (Asia) and brought it back.  lol...I had fun though. I would go in a crouded elevator, start coughing wildly and holding on my chest...lol.. Everyone got off at the next floor.

We all have to be concerned.Thank amgi for bringing up this topic.

What is SWINE FLU and How to try to Prevent it ?????

Several countries, including Mexico and the United States, have reported outbreaks of swine flu, sparking fears of what some disease experts say could become a pandemic.


Here are some facts about swine flu:

1.) What is swine flu?

The World Health organisation says swine influenza, or "swine flu" is a highly contagious acute respiratory disease typically found in pigs. It spreads through tiny particles in the air or by direct contact.


The virus tends to infect large numbers of a given pig population, killing between one and four per cent of those affected, the WHO says. Not every animal infected displays symptoms.


2.) How do humans contract the virus?

Swine flu normally only infects pigs, but the virus can cross the species barrier and infect humans, the WHO says.


People can catch the virus through contact with infected pigs, though there have been limited instances of human-to-human transmission.


3.) What are the symptoms of swine flu in humans?

Symptoms are similar to those of human strains of the seasonal influenza virus, including fever, cough sore throat and body aches.


But the symptoms can also include severe pneumonia that can result in death, the WHO says.


4.) Where do outbreaks occur?

Swine flu is considered endemic in the United States, though outbreaks in pigs have also been reported elsewhere in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, and in parts of eastern Asia.


5.) How high is the risk of a pandemic?

If the virus establishes efficient human-to-human transmission, it can cause a pandemic, the WHO says.


Health officials say the swine flu might develop into a form easily spread among humans by combining with a human flu virus or mutate on its own into a transmissible form.


But Dr Laurence Gerlis, an expert on infectious diseases, told Al Jazeera it is too early to call the outbreak a pandemic.


"If you have got an epidemic that affects several countries in the world then it becomes a pandemic.


"But at the moment it is a problem in Mexico and people who have travelled to Mexico have carried it elsewhere. We have to assess it on an hour-by-hour basis.
"

6.) Is it safe to eat pork products?

Properly handled and prepared pork products are safe to eat, according to the WHO. The swine flu virus is killed when cooked at temperatures of 160 F/70 C or higher.


7.) Does a vaccine exist?

There are no vaccines to protect humans from the current swine flu virus.


The flu virus evolves quickly, meaning that vaccines are soon obsolete.

Health officials say there is no evidence to suggest that the vaccine prepared for seasonal flu will protect against swine flu.


8.) Are there any other treatments?

The swine flu virus detected in Mexico and the United States appears to respond to treatment with oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza).


9.) What can be done to stop the spread of the disease?

Most of the cases have been detected by chance through seasonal influenza surveillance.


But Dr Gerlis told Al Jazeera that "anyone travelling out of Mexico could be potentially carrying the virus and would have no symptoms at all.
"

Health officials say maintaining good hygiene, including regular hand-washing and staying a safe distance from those infected, may help in preventing the spread of the virus.


__On some religious notes.

Quran - Allah says : “Say (O Muhammad): “I find not in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be Maitah (a dead animal) or blood poured forth (by slaughtering or the like), or the flesh of swine (pork); for that surely, is impure or impious (unlawful) meat (of an animal) which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, or on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering).
” [al-An’aam 6:145]



1.) Bible - Leviticus 11:7-8
"And the swine, though he divided the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
"

2.) Bible - Deuteronomy 14:8
"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass

I think we should all pray to God by now.

You forgot to mention that you should require showers and issue tailored suits to all of the heads of state that come and visit you as well as requiring them to wear masks so that you don’t have to.

That we agree on.

Let's hope a vaccine is soon to come.

Oh for Christ sake calm down. The swine flu is the name of the virus and not the source. They could have given that name to any virus that has a trans-species identity containing the gene of swine, avian or human origin. It is a virus with only eleven genes and within those genes are the avian, swine and human genome. To eradicate the swine flu virus we would have to kill every pig every poultry product and every human so there is no escape. Just be happy and take normal precautions when handling food such as wash your hands. If there is one thing we have gotten out of all this is a lesson in food and public hygiene. Just calm down, if you get it you get it, if you don’t you don’t and in most cases it is not fatal so buck up and don’t let the media draw you into un-needed anxieties.

In this day and age if you want to stop a desease shut down all air traffic, that will stop any desease where it is at. Nothing is more effective at desease control than isolation and containment through monitoring air traffic.

Here again it seems that by sourcing the flu to the pig there must be an underlying agenda on the part of the beef industry to keep the world from buying pork. I don’t eat pork because it is unhealthy in many ways but the swine flu ain’t one of them.

now i know why he didn't want any help,and prefer to let his people die,the same people who offered him health care products were the same people who brought the cholera

I'm not sure why you think personally inserting yourself (and possibly exposing yourself) into the situation is a "problem solving" solution?

Maybe I misunderstand your intent here.

As far as I can tell, (and have heard) there are only some 150 (approximate) deaths that are linked to this Mexican Influenza. In a world of more than 3.5 billion people, that isn't really an "epidemic.

I understand the WHO is getting a head start on the situation, (as well they should) but I don't see any reason for panic at this point.

As Yack said, airports are actively using technology to "scan" potential cases as they enter the country and people are being "isolated" when symptoms arise. I heard 30 US Marines were isolated at 29 Palms, Marine Air, Ground combat center yesterday when one of the Marines got sick.

The news also stated that "culling" or "killing" pigs is useless since they've shown nor direct link to the swine passing on the flu to humans.

But there's a link some where.

The news also stated that "culling" or "killing" pigs is useless since they've shown nor direct link to the swine passing on the flu to humans.

I would not be too suprised if some of this culling of herds of pigs is maybe to cause a shortage of pork. If Governments pay farmers for the loss, it causes a shortage of pigs. Few years ago here, they culled whole herds of pigs. Even though the pigs were perfectly healthy. The Govt. and farmers said they were getting so many pork farmers, there was no money in farming them anymore. So, the Govt. paid the farmers to cull the herds. That raised the price of pork. The sad part was though..most of the meat was used for fertilizer and dog and cat food. It was only after people complained that they started sending some meat to shelters and homeless and needy family's. Oh, I am sure some culling at this time might be legimate, but in other cases maybe a way to raise pork prices. Cause a shortage.

Cheers.

Yack. 

Since I’m a farmer myself (I have a multi-diverse farm in the Philippines) I don’t really believe in “farmer subsidies’ ” to help or offset what a farmer may or may not grow.

Farming is an industry, be that farm large or small. Judging what the market wants or needs is on the back of the farmer, not the government. If the farmer is right in the crop he chose to raise, then he reaps the profits of a market that is in demand. If he’s wrong, he loses. Capitalism at work.

Pigs are no different. I have over 500 of them. Prices go up and down, but I’ve found that cutting out the middleman (in the Philippines people go around to the small farms buying pigs at lower prices and then selling them to the market for as much as a 50% mark-up) I increase my own profitability by a larger margin.

That being said, my ability to increase my own profit line also allows me to run my piggery in a more modern and effective manner than most other farms in the area.

This reduces the chances of diseases being passed on to the pigs or in turn, passing diseases on to the public.

A free-market is just that, FREE.

It has to provide what the people want and does so at a completive price while earning the farmer a fair profit.

I’ve heard the argument that if America cracked down on illegal immigration our vegetable prices would skyrocket.

Why?

Because in many areas of the US, farmers have become over reliant on cheap illegal immigrant labor to harvest their product.

But when you really look at this “price skyrocketing” theory, the idea is I can pay an illegal immigrant $.25 cents a flat (thus reducing labor cost) verses paying an American a dollar a flat to pick. (Increasing labor cost and in turn, passing that cost on to the buying public).

That means the average shopper will pay more at the market for that same item that was once cheaper. It also means middle to low class shoppers have less income to spend on McDonalds. (I hope you see where I’m going with this).

America can afford to pay more at the market and in turn pay more in the fields to harvest the product. Where currently most American’s aren’t willing to toil in the hot sun to earn $100.00 dollars a day, you might be surprised at how many would work for $250.00 dollars a day.

Corporate America earns LARGE profit margins and that’s got to change.

Minimum wage in America has to increase substantially and corporations have to decrease the investors/CEO’s shares to off set this.

Governments have to protect their local farmers from unfair competition from nations that don’t require fair pay thus allowing them to undercut fair market price.

Governments have to be less involved in paying farmer NOT to grow or raise items and more involved in predicting what the market NEEDS.

Forecasting corn stocks and poultry harvest gives the market the ability to adjust to demands.

More profit to the farmer also means more money to invest in safer farmer practices.

Safe farming means less chance for diseases.

 The World Health Organization warned the governments and countries worldwide to be on the alert for serious disaster with the growing numbers of cases.

The first positive case of the virus was found in a spanish man as he returned from a trip to Mexico.

It is a real disaster particularly for poor countries.

Some steps to reduce the risk of infection: 

 No single action will provide complete protection, but some steps can help decrease the likelihood of transmission. These actions include:

  "frequent hand-washing, covering coughs, and having ill persons stay home, except to seek medical care, and minimize contact with others in the household. Additional measures that can limit transmission of a new influenza strain include voluntary home quarantine of members of households with confirmed or probable swine influenza cases, reduction of unnecessary social contacts, and avoidance whenever possible of crowded settings."

I'm no doctor and I wouldn't say anything you've mentioned is wrong. If you can afford to do these things then great.

I personally feel it's a little bit early for panic though.

Mom always said; "Wash your hands and wash them often". I guess we should all listen to mom. LOL!

I can't disagree with anything you've said because its right.

Many people have no choice but to go to work and they'll simply have to do the best they can to avoid contact.

 Nope... I don't sleep with the pigs.  LOL!

They're isolated inside a piggery which is surrounded by high fences.

One way in and your car goes through an anti-biotic spray station.

Only workers are allowed inside the piggery.

Only workers are allowed inside the piggery.

You have to watch though if the worker was to Mexico or is in contact with someone that was.. They say they made a new discovery. A farm worker was in Mexico, came back and infected the pigs. In this report they say ''probally'' or suspected. The latest is they are quite sure the worker infected the herd of pigs.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/05/02/swineflu-ns-cases789.html

On the news to try and protect the pig industry, they say it is safe to eat pork because when it is cooked, the heat kills the infection. Now, when you buy pork from the store, unless it is processed, it is raw. You have to handle the pork to unwrap it and cut it. In that case you have to wear gloves(plastic) and wash everything the raw pork touched.

Well fortunately for me, none of my laborers travel very far. In fact, they live at the farm, so I don’t need to worry about that.

They’ve got latex heavy duty work gloves and rubber boots. I also provide industrial class face mask because they do a lot of bleaching and disinfection throughout the day.

I’ve instructed them to take all precautions and to immediately call the veterinarian if any pig shows any signs of being sick.

Of course the piggery is off limits to all persons not working there.

I don’t think there’s much more I can do than has already been done.

As for the transmission of disease through pork?

It isn’t any more dangerous that beef, lamb, chicken or fish.

All meats are dangerous and should be cooked thoroughly before human consumption

Well fortunately for me, none of my laborers travel very far. In fact, they live at the farm, so I don’t need to worry about that.

Where is your farm located , may I ask .

Get a clue yackety everyone around here is a zillionaire twice over. Boy it must be nice to watch and comment on what the common folk are doing while sipping tea, coffee or whisky.  

>>You’re too poor to drink tea?<<

Since the Jewish bankers took my retirement I don’t have a pot to…boil water in.

>>I’ve actually met up with some posters here, & some are retired millionaires (just amusing themselves I guess)<<

Do you mean that they have retired from being millionaires and are now poor?

>>They also occasionally post here.<<

You must be speaking of AmGI.

J J J

LOL!

Yeah Media White, I wish I were a millionare simply bored with nothing better to do but post on IOL. LOL!!

I'd buy you a ticket to London and meet you at a pub for a pint if I had that kind of cash.

Maybe we could get Mustaf to pay for it and invite him to London to join us while he sips tea as we swill down beersJ.

Are you running a temperature  your talking to yourself again. Better get down and get a test, you may be more doomed than you think.

I would never touch pork except for maybe bacon, hamhocks or ribs.

Pork has been cleared as a conduit for spreading swine flu.

Prepared properly, swine is a fine meal and healthy as any other white meat.

These transference of swine to human diseases come from the third world nations that live WITH their pigs.

Not from control raising facilities.

I just cooked myself some Bar-BQ ribs and YUMMI!!!

Pork is not provenly spreading "swine flu". The U$raeli criminals maybe.

Pork is not healthy, no matter of its preparation. The heat may eliminate the baciles, but the pork meat is provenly unhealthy and is linked to diabetes, cancer and immune troubles.  Or heavy neurological desease as in the case of those unlucky workers in an American pigs processing factory.

NaturalNews) We now have a new horrible disease brought by the same insane meat-raising industry that brought Mad Cow Disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, both implicated from the brains of sheep and cattle. It's known by two terms, Progressive Inflammatory Neuropathy and Immune Polyradiculoneuropathy (IPR). Neither is really a name, but more of a description. They indicate that the disease involves inflammation of the spinal cord, has multiple neurological symptoms, gets worse, and affects the immune system.Symptoms are remarkably similar to multiple sclerosis and arachnoiditis. They include pain, especially in the legs, weakness, fatigue, and sensory disturbances.
All of the victims are employees in pork slaughtering plants. They harvest pig brains by blowing them out of the heads with compressed-air guns. Yes, harvest is the term used. It's believed that aerosolized pig brains, which are breathed in by the workers, are the cause."

http://www.naturalnews.com/023249.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510255,00.html

The new flu is a hype.

http://www.infowars.com/special-weekend-broadcast-alex-jones-swine-flu-hoax/

"Millions upon millions dying??"

Not this time.

Let the Zionists keep on dreaming about Malthus and co.  The new virus has man to man transmission, not all of the people get contaminated and in plus it's treatable

http://www.islamonline.net/discussione/thread.jspa?threadID=24835&tstart=0

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I read on the local newspaper that more than 400 schools had been closed in Japan.

According to WHO more than 10,000 persons were affected with Swine flu and 90 people alone died of swine flu in Mexico.

Thank God , here in Australia i have not heard of any cases of Swine flu.

And we need to worry as more and more people are being infected with this disease. I hope there will be a vaccine. Fingers -crossed. Amen