I suppose if the Israelis started massacring the million muslims who live within their borders you'd call that an internal matter and not my business? I don't know why I even bothered wasting the keystrokes to respond to your stupidity.

BB

You may have noticed Bob, I stopped wasting key strokes on Bennyboy.

You can't get anything worth discussing from him, so I stopped bothering to try.

I suggest you do the same.

You're time would better spent elsewhere than with that twit.

Why aren't Muslims screaming about Sudan you say Bob??

Why??

Why should they?

Arab Muslims are on the winning end of the genocide and black African Muslims are.... well.... black.

Sudan is an impoverished hellhole, just like it's neighbor Somalia (that Muslims have ignored for decades as well) and doesn't bring the same SHASHIZIAL that the well worn Israeli/Palestinian does.

Sudan doesn't carry the clout of Hezbollah in the Muslim world.

Muslims don't want to cheer out loud at the actions of their brothers in the Darfur because they don't want the spotlight to shine on that sorrowed example of neglect and abuse.

The word is GENOCIDE.

The place is SUDAN.

Now... I know the typical apologist will simply ignore the truth of this issue and start diverting the attention back to the Middle East.
Back to Iraq and Afghanistan. (I believe Muslims can't focus on more than one issue at the time)

Lets see who the first cry baby is?

My bet says Bennyboy will be the first to divert attention from the Sudan.
Followed by SongYang then Sahara.
Hindii and Labu.

In fact, I'll be SHOCKED if ANYONE calling themself a Muslim steps up to the plate and acknowledges the disaster happening in Darfur and the lack of responsibility the Muslim world shares for letting it happen.

Too bad, I guess it's true what they say "the early bird catches the worm".  I was about to be the first poster replying to this topic and say exactly what AMGI said we would NOT say, when I got an email I just had to reply to right away. 

So, I guess u can say my reply is only a reaction to ur words AMGI, and I won't blame u since u dared us to do it. And after all, it IS after ur post.

Here's what I wanted to say in brief:

The situation in Sudan is very sad indeed.  Islam does not differentiate between black and white, or yellow for that matter.  "God does not look at our images but at our hearts" a hadith by Prophet Muhamad pbuh. So the  black Muslim genocide theory can be pushed aside for ..eternity. This is not what is going on there.

We are totally at fault for not paying more attention to the events in Sudan.  It is, yet another shame on our side.  We should do more to help them and not leave it to the US or any other U-something to help them out.  It is our first and foremost duty to help and we shouldn't just sit back and watch. 

Having said that, I believe it is the right of the Sudanese government to choose who could and could not help them. If they don't want any foreign troops on their land, then they probably have good reason.

But, in our defence, or maybe against our defence, during the Lebanese crisis with Israel, Palestine, particularly Gaza, was under attack as well, but our attention was focused solely on Lebanon as if Palestine was freed.  Even the donor and charity org. with their messages "Their children are our children" about Lebanese victims during a time when Palestinians were suffering as well as Iraqis as well as ..need I go on??, was inappropriate to say the least.

Finally, what does "SHASHIZIAL" mean?

Good evening Tru.

Yes, I must admit that making that simple bet wasn't really fare.
I know Bennyboy and United wouldn't let me down in banging the drum of denial and victimization.

You on the other hand deserve congrats on you're ability to speak towards an issue.
You at least you accept Muslims are also responsible for some of their own pain and disposition.

I agree with you that if the UN isn't wanted in Sudan, then they shouldn't go in.

We don't want the Blue helmets becoming targets.

BUT! That being said, I say now, and you mark my words that in six months or a year, when the death toll is in the millions, it won't be the government of Sudan being blamed, it'll be the Western world Muslims blame.
Muslims will point the finger at the West and say; "Why didn't you do something??"
"We asked for you're help."
"We didn't know any better."

On and on, I can hear the excuses now.

The Sudanese government will continue murdering and killing.
Their proxy army will too.
I'm just wondering where Muslims limit of toleration to the situating is??

What do you think Tru?
What do you think the body count will have to be before Muslims do something in Sudan?

SHASHIZIAL?

I don't know what that is?

I heard it on a song one day.

It's like "good" or "excellent."

"Having said that, I believe it is the right of the Sudanese government
to choose who could and could not help them. If they don't want any
foreign troops on their land, then they probably have good reason."

Yes they have good reason. They are the ones behind the genocide. That is their reason.

Do you believe that a country has the right to murder anyone who lives within it's borders?

The Sudan borders your home country of Egypt. The conflict there has been 200 times more deadly to innocent civilians than Lebanon. Yet you have written lots of heartfelt posts pleading for the Lebanese and nothing for the Sudanese. I'm not asking you now to acknowledge the neglect, you have already graciously done that. I am asking you to think about the causes behind it.

Salams

BB

First of all I don't watch fox news. I do not deny that the Darfur rebels are not also killing civilians, but the vast majority of killings have been committed by the Sudanese government supported Arab muslim Janjaweed. This is where the genocide is occuring. Does the word "Disproportionate" ring a bell? I'm not surprised that you protest the terrorizing of muslims, Do you have any simpathies that are not motivated by your muslims-are-always-right political outlook? The UN would like to place peacekeepers on the ground to stop the killing. Sudan doesn't want that, because they are the ones doing the killing. If the UN had a shred of real support from arab countries, this slaughter could be brought to an end. Instead we get lame distractions like you have offered "It goes both ways". Well the war in Lebanon went both ways too didn't it, but we were able to put an end to it. Wake up and smell the genocide! Women and children are being murdered and raped every day you pathetic hypocrite!

BB

The United States is the largest international donor in Sudan, consistently providing 80 percent of all humanitarian assistance-and more than $1 billion since 2005.

Total FY 2005–2006 USAID Humanitarian Assistance to Sudan and Eastern Chad

$1,275,434,870

Total FY 2005–2006 USG Humanitarian Assistance to Sudan and Eastern Chad

$1,449,168,758

USAID accounted for over 80 percent of the commitments to the UN World Food Program in 2005, and supports ongoing programs with the Red Cross and other nongovernmental organizations. As the leading donor of food assistance to Sudan, USAID targets food aid commodities to the most vulnerable, with particular emphasis on women and children.

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/sudan/

Selam

Well, AM, many thanks to the Americans who helps the needy I am not sure your point here. I believe that these people pay neither to boost, nor to justify any evil policy but for the sake of humanity. And the USAID that you mentioned is based on foreign policy and under the secretary state. Here you may ask of why Sudan neighbor Eritrea closed `USAID` Office? Africans do have their own questions and complains on where most of the billions you mentioned sinks and the pre-conditions that they carry along. No doubt this millions of tons of foods that from the US farmers and comes through US vessels save lives but not reduce poverty. There are many African peoples sinking deeper into poverty and losing their live due to the US policy.

In any case the AID you mentioned has nothing to do with staying of African Union (AU) peace keepers in Sudan. What they want is logistic and financial support to an extent that they forced to consider the assistant offered by Sudanese. AU peace keepers are as such badly looking for assistance to excute their duty effectively. As long as the main objective is to protect the Darfuri people why not assist the African Union peace keepers and insist on alternative option??? Africans incapable??

Selam

Sorry Negashi, I was in a bit of a hurry the other day posting. I had a mission to go on and went a head and posted what I had.

Before I continue, I'll agree with you that the WORLD not just the US isn't doing as much as they probably could do, BUT, Sudan has made it very clear they don't want anyone interfering with what they are terming an "internal" affair.

Many AID organizations have sent food and money to the Sudanese suffering in this war, and the US is 80% of that effort. That was one of my points.

The US also provided logistic to get the AU troops deployed into Sudan.
US Air Force planes continue flying in AU support.
But thats the point. It has evolved that the US is taking on more and more of the support missions and its diverting units that could be used else where on more pressing matters.

By that I mean, if you don't want our help then lets move on.

I've a question though Negashi?

Why is it, once again it the West (U.S.) that you point fingers at?

Who's stopping Muslim states from pressuring Sudan (and their Muslim brothers) in letting Muslim troops enter Sudan to control and monitor the violence?

Qatar, Turkey and Indonesia are sending some 1,700 troops (maybe more later) to Lebanon.
Are you saying that Muslim states can't deploy to Sudan?
Or would you agree that Muslim states simply don't want to deploy or involve themselves in Sudan?

If so... why?

Thank u, brother Negashi, for ur much needed input. I'm afraid I cannot speak on behalf of our Sudanese neighbors and u know more than anyone in this forum about the real state of affairs there. 

I guess the only thing I could say is that it is very complicated in Sudan.  Who is the bad party? Who is the good? As usual, the PEOPLE always pay the price.

Could u please tell us more? And what could we do to help?

Salam.  

Many robbery ideologists like to use the Sudan genocide to justify their genocide, but we must not let this thieves do this.

If we let thieves involve in the Sudan civil war like many robbery ideologists have proposed, it won't be only 300,000 deaths but it will be in millions plus their will be a lot more wars to come.  As bad as the civil war in Sudan is right now, throwing a bunch of thieves in it is going to make it worst.  This genocide in Sudan right is just a big symthons from past robbery activities by the thieves in the U.S. and Europe.