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American and Arab Youth Share Ideas
Is Iraq Better Off Now?
(Part Five)
This
is the second entry in the series American and Arab Youth Share
Ideas. In an e-mail-based dialogue, sponsored by
IslamOnline.net’s Muslim Affairs section, American student
Evan Hays and Iraqi-Palestinian student Khalid Jarrar reignite
the debate on the morality and necessity of the Iraq war and
occupation, expressing their opinions as to whether democracy is
taking root in the country.
What
do you think of this dialogue? Which argument do you support?
E-mail us your feedback and comments: mideast@islamonline.net
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December
14, 2005
Dear
Khalid,
In
an attempt to start by answering your questions (despite the fact that
you already answered your questions in the letter, and already have
your mind made up about the answer), it seems to me like you have two
main questions: 1.Why does the American government not set a timetable
for leaving Iraq? 2. Do I support the killing of Iraqis by the
American army?
To
try to answer your first question, the simple answer is, logic says
that a timetable would only increase hostilities and the chance of
greater hostilities after the withdrawal of American troops. I
seriously question your logic that says that setting a timetable would
allow the “resistance” to “find itself obligated to stop, and
get in the government to be part of the police and army to build
strong enough forces to control the country before the end of the
year”. The question is this: What is the “resistance” fighting
for? In your last letter, you answered my points exactly the way I
hoped you would—by pointing out the ways why different groups
don’t support the “resistance”. The “resistance” isn’t
fighting for justice, certainly not with their horribly unjust
tactics; it is fighting for its own power and its own vision of Iraq.
For this reason, giving them a clear idea of when their “mission”
is complete is only giving them a victory, and a timetable of when
they need to prepare for a civil war in Iraq.
| I am pushed
more and more to the belief that the best thing we can do is
talk and not argue. |
Second,
how can I answer this question? Does any of us support the killing of
another? War is hell and people die—that is my answer. This is a
horrible answer and I know that; in fact many times I seriously
consider the possibility that pacifism is right, and that all my
support of wars is totally against the will of God, but thus far in my
life, I have not come to that conclusion. The awful truth is this,
Khalid, and I stand upon opposite sides of a war; that is why in my
opinion, the fruitful thing for us to do would be to have a discussion
where our attempt is to become friends and help each other understand
each other more than we do now. This is why the personal nature of
many of Khalid’s answers bothers me, as it is unprofessional and
detrimental to our relationship. As I have continually said, in my
many discussions with Muslims and Arabs, I am pushed more and more to
the belief that the best thing we can do is talk and not argue.
To
conclude, sadly I am ultimately and completely frustrated by the
futility of this debate. It is quite a shame that two men who believe
in God and brotherhood cannot get anywhere in a discussion, but I
suppose this is the way life is sometimes. We can both thank God that
we are not God and that only He knows what His true will is, and one
day, God will make it clear to us what our role is in His will.
| Americans
appreciate skeptical media than anything else. |
Despite
the fact that my information is coming from a man who has lived in
Baghdad (Canon Andrew White) and news sources that have a
long-standing tradition of relative objectivity as well as no reason
to support the American government (in fact Americans appreciate
skeptical media than anything else), Khalid, you have simply refused
to believe my information. At the same time, not to blame you, I have
simply refused to believe much of your information because I reject
your vision of what “Iraq” is, and I am very skeptical of the news
sources that you use for information—news sources that have no
history of objectivity and no knowledge of a society with a free
press. For example, most experts agree that around 30,000 Iraqis have
died, while Khalid continues to argue for a number around 100,000 (see
this article Bush
Estimates 30,000 Iraqis Killed in War). Another example
would be Khalid’s information about Iraqi opinions, as exemplified
in this story about a recent poll (Survey
finds optimism in new Iraq).
Your
idea of “Iraq” seems to me to be a reactionary model where Sunni
control is reinstated at the expense of others, others that you said
explicitly were not for the “resistance”. Unfortunately, Khalid, I
feel that your position is very biased by who you think should be in
power. To America, Iraq is not just Sunni, it is also Shiite, Kurd,
Christian (Assyrian), and so on. Unfortunately, our visions are so
different that we are not even looking at the same picture. I suppose
you could say that this is a classic example of east versus west,
although supporting this sort of broad delineation may not be helpful.
I
leave the rest to our readers. I pray that you do not view me as
someone who is not deeply saddened by the pain in Iraq, someone who
does not greatly appreciate Iraq and its people, someone who does not
respect Islam, etc. I am simply someone trying to find out what is
right, as we all are in this life. Perhaps you as readers are more
inclined to believe Khalid’s points because he is an Iraqi, and
quite probably you are right to do so. In this debate the onus is
definitely on me, as an American, a Christian, and someone who has
never been to Iraq, but I only hope that what I have said sheds some
light on the way that some Americans think. Perhaps it might be well
to conclude this debate with the sentiment that life is nothing if not
difficult and extremely complex. This debate has certainly proved both
of those points, in terms of our information and our relationship. The
fact that this is true illustrates that this debate represents reality
and is not just the random opinions of unconcerned people.
December
15, 2005
Dear
Evan,
I
have said before and will repeat that the goal of this debate is not
getting closer to each other, but to demonstrate the facts and answer
the questions, and let the readers see for themselves the elements of
the case of each one of us. I represent the common anti-war side, and
you represent the common pro-war side, so there is nothing personal
here, and I have nothing personal against you of course. If you want a
better way to get closer to an Iraqi, consider asking your government
to stop occupying his country.
I
have a ton of American friends myself, but I am just trying to help
you understand the size of damage that is done to my country, directly
or indirectly, by your country.
We
can serve in a good way to reach a better relation between the two
people of our countries by being honest and confessing that this
illegal war was a terrible mistake, and starting to think of a way to
fix that mistake.
| My sources
for information aren’t biased media. I made the media news in
many occasions myself because I live the news that you see on
TV. |
My
sources for information aren’t biased media because they aren’t
the media at all. I made the media news in many occasions myself
because I live the news that you see on TV. I do reports and
interviews for all different kinds of media, and all kinds of
organizations, TV stations, radio stations, newspapers and magazines.
I have been on CNN, BBC, and many other TV stations.
I
would say that not getting any closer to each other doesn’t mean
than we didn’t do good. I believe we both presented our ideas and
defended them as much as we could, and defending your beliefs in this
kind of issues is a virtue.
I
have few points left to say, answering briefly your last article:
1.
Bush has finally announced that a lot of the intelligence reports
about Iraq were wrong, but of course he didn't say the words of "
the war was wrong." You can see that he started to at least admit
that there is at least some tiny thing going wrong around! I
would say that's a first.
2.
Over 100,000 were killed according to the respected medical journal
the Lancet, one of the world’s most prestigious magazines in
the field.
| Consider
the possibility of someone you love being burned or shredded
with White Phosphorus (WP) or cluster bombs. |
3.
Where did I point that I wanted “a reactionary model where
Sunni control is reinstated at the expense of others”? On the
contrary, I want an Iraq that is ruled by Islam that guaranties and
protects the right of all other religions and minorities.
4.
My logic regarding the pull-out schedule is this: The one and only
goal of the resistance is the withdrawal of the occupation forces. If
the occupation promises to leave on a set date, it’s fine: Set a
schedule and we will believe you. Only then we will cooperate with the
government and participate in filling the security gap.
5.
I think that by not answering all the questions, you send a message
that they are unanswerable. And if so, I think that you are right
because they present the ugly truth that—I have to say—you refuse
to face. Only because you know it’s ugly, you don't want to go
through it.
I know
that you replied briefly about the killing part only among all that,
and you made where you stand clear. But I want you to get into the
details to consider the possibility of someone you love being burned
or shredded with White Phosphorus (WP) or cluster bombs. Imagine your
country occupied and the scenes of the military of another country on
your land building military bases, and then spreading a propaganda
about protecting your freedom. I hope that you will never have to go
through that, but I am asking you to look closely at the life of
Iraqis. They are not a political theory; they are people, humans, who
are suffering from the lack of medicine, food, and security. But they
still have their dignity, which is urging them to fight at all levels,
a fight that won’t stop, not till the last man falls, not till
the last pen is broken, not before Iraq gets its freedom back,
someday.
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