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American and Arab Youth Share Ideas
Is Iraq Better Off Now?
(Part Two)
This
is the second entry in the series American and Arab Youth Share
Ideas. In an e-mail-based dialogue, sponsored by
IslamOnline.net’s Muslim Affairs section, American student
Evan Hays and Iraqi-Palestinian student Khalid Jarrar reignite
the debate on the morality and necessity of the Iraq war and
occupation, expressing their opinions as to whether democracy is
taking root in the country.
What
do you think of this dialogue? Which argument do you support?
E-mail us your feedback and comments: mideast@islamonline.net
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October 18, 2005
Dear Khalid,
Thank
you very much for your most recent e-mail, Khalid. While it is
obvious that we are coming from very different positions, I
believe that we can find some common ground. It is clear to me
that you are very much against the American actions inside Iraq,
so much so that you believe you have God and history on your
side. These are without a doubt two very powerful things.
First
of all, I am very hesitant to ever place God on sides, and I
cannot and will not say where God stands on this issue. While I
do not know what God thinks about this situation or any
situation in politics, the best way that I know of to find His
will, is to look at the details. Are people being killed? What
are the intentions of those in power in this situation? What are
the possible benefits on the ground level that can come from
this? How are normal people being affected? Has the spirit of
the people become more hateful and violent? Have people been
more or less able to worship in freedom and sincerity? Your
answers to these sort of questions are the ones that I cherish
the most and take to heart.
| Regime change has always been difficult in Muslim countries. |
For
example, the lack of electricity and other necessities for the
people is definitely a negative result of the war, and a
situation that will be remedied soon. However, I also must
strongly disagree with some of your comments about who is doing
the killing. It is not the “occupation” that is taking lives
right now, although I can accept the idea that leftover bombs
from the initial stage of the war are still causing injuries. It
is militants, many from other countries, who are being misled,
by people who call themselves imams, into thinking that killing
Americans and all those who agree with them is a way to protect
the Ummah. Again, I must be clear that I disagree, admittedly
from a distance since I have not been to Iraq myself. But I will
not believe that Americans are setting off bombs that kill
hundreds of Iraqis, as we see in the news all too often. Now, if
(as I hope) you are not claiming this, but rather are saying
that this is the result of the American war, then I would shift
your words a bit and say that this is part of the very difficult
process by which “every democratic country goes through till
it revolts, and achieves its granted democracy, a natural
process that results in a democratic state where people rule
themselves by electing governments that represent them.”
| If you are true to your Iraqi roots, you will not believe your own press
that claims that “occupations never last, and are
always forced to leave.” |
As
a side note to this, regime change has always been difficult in
Muslim countries (as an example look at how long the Abbasid
regime continued even though for a good amount of time it was
effectively ruled by Persian warlords). In many ways, although I
don’t want to make a specific historical parallel, the most
important thing to those in Muslim countries in the Middle East
is the preservation of the status quo—something that is
certainly not always a good thing. In today’s global world,
the United States simply cannot, and will not look the other way
when someone like Saddam Hussein is destroying the lives of
those in his country (Kurds, Shias) as well as those outside of
his country (Iranians, Kuwaitis, and others).
Another
thing that I definitely appreciated about your last note was
your emphasis on history. Being a history major myself, I often
look to the past to find answers for the current time, and this
is often a very effective and proper way of doing things.
Unfortunately, I disagree with some of your interpretations of
the past—particularly in Iraq. If you are true to the history,
then you will recognize that leaders and regimes have come and
gone in Iraq just as in any other country; Iraq is no exception.
If you are true to your Iraqi roots, you will not believe your
own press that claims that “except that in Iraq, occupations
never last, and are always forced to leave.” This is a vain
hope not grounded in reality.
Finally,
I certainly do appreciate the long cultural and historical
heritage of Iraq. For a good length of time under the Abbasids,
Baghdad was the center of the world. I do think it is a shame,
however, if you choose to view Saddam Hussein’s rule as a
culmination of this history. I would choose to see him as a blip
on the radar, and the future of Iraq will be a chance for Iraqis
to reclaim their true heritage as thinkers, learners,
communicators, peacemakers, and members of the free world.
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October
27, 2005
Dear
Evan,
I
do believe, without hesitation, that God and history are on our
side, the side of the illegally occupied and oppressed people,
and as I doubtlessly know that, I want to thank you for the
questions you raised.
Are
people being killed? Yes, in large numbers—by military
operations launched on whole cities; by terrorists, who operate
only because of the occupation; and also by mistakes made by
resistance fighters, who resist the occupation, which would
never have happened if the occupation hadn’t existed.
What
are the intentions of those in power in this situation? This is
an extremely important question, and it is also unimportant at
the same time. It is important because it helps you understand
the situation in a better way, and not important because, after
all, actions, not intentions, are what matter.
Let’s
talk about intentions. When you look at the invasion since the
first day, every small detail tells you about the kind of
intentions the people in power have,
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Let’s start with the sanctions: 12 years of sanctions killed
over one million children and destroyed the country’s economy.
The sanctions isolated Iraq, enabling Saddam to steal more and
more of Iraq’s wealth. Without worrying about the
international community, he continued to build his palaces, one
after one, and to import the most luxurious materials for from
all over the world. It was Iraqis who were being hurt throughout
the sanctions’ 12 years—as if the United States put us in
one of those old underground prisons and forgot about us.
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Then the invasion started, and you seem horribly insensitive
when you refuse to understand what I am saying: CLUSTER BOMBS
WERE DROPPED ON CIVILIAN NEIGHBORHOODS—and I am just trying to
make sure that you read that line—bombs that continued to kill
civilians, rip them into parts and take their lives away.
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All governmental buildings were stolen. Hundreds, if not
thousands, of eyewitnesses say that American soldiers opened the
big gates for thieves themselves, using their vehicles. The
exception was the ministry of oil, which was protected by the
US—makes you wonder about good intentions, doesn’t it?
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Since I want to make a conversation rather than state facts I
believe in, I am not going to talk about the torture that took
place in Abu Ghraib and other places, as a result of orders from
the top, but at least I am going to say that the atmosphere was
set in a way that allowed for such practices to take place. Then
the punishment inflicted upon those involved in the
torture—well... the least you can say is that the punishment
was much less severe than the crimes; the Iraqi people's dignity
and humanity obviously aren’t that valuable. Not to mention
that none of the top officials was charged with anything.
What
are the possible benefits on the ground that can come from this?
Benefits:
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Create an American base in the region, close to Iran, Syria, and
Saudi Arabia
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Secure Israel
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Secure one of the most important resources in the region, not
only in terms of oil, but also a bunch of other natural
resources]
-Create
a market for the huge corporations that make weapons, and then
the other corporations that build what the first ones destroyed
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Getting even, revenging for Bush senior.
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Maybe also religious reasons I am afraid—Bush always tries to
show that he is implementing the Will of God.
How
are normal people being affected? Over 75% of the population
have become jobless. We lost security, water, electricity, and
food rations. We are more divided than ever; the country is
about to get literally divided, on sectarian basis, into small
countries.
Has
the spirit of the people become more hateful and violent? Much
more: towards the West in general and towards America in
particular; that’s when we talk about hate. As to violence,
the most peaceful people are now gun experts. More people are
joining the resistance. There are new militias in the country
that never existed or never operated inside Iraq. The country is
open to any terrorist in the world—and to the intervention of
any other country.
Have
people been more or less able to worship in freedom and
sincerity? Much less, now anyone who goes to a mosque is a
suspect. You can’t go to the morning prayer either because it
is held during curfew time or just because you are too insane to
leave your house at 4 am. You can’t go to sunset and night prayers
either, because it’s not safe. Christians are afraid to go to
churches because someone blew up a number of churches, something
that never happened in Iraq before.
It
is militants, many from other countries, who are being misled
by people who call themselves Imams into thinking that killing
Americans and all those who agree with them is a way to
protect the Ummah.
Well,
this is one of the lies that the occupation tries to tell the
world in order to make it look like the Iraqis love the
occupation, and that it is outsiders who are responsible for the
resistance. This is totally untrue. You can tell from the ratio
of non-Iraqi Arabs to Iraqis arrested and imprisoned by the
Americans. For example, the place I was imprisoned in had 70
detainees; only two of them were not Iraqi. Additionally, a
secret poll conducted by the British army and leaked to the
Sunday Telegraph shows that:
Millions
of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks against British troops
are justified, a secret military poll commissioned by senior
officers has revealed. The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of
Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, shows that up
to 65 per cent of Iraqi citizens support attacks and fewer than
one percent think Allied military involvement is helping to
improve security in their country. It demonstrates for the first
time the true strength of anti-Western feeling in Iraq after
more than two and a half years of bloody occupation.
The
nationwide survey also suggests that the coalition has lost the
battle to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, which
Tony Blair and George W Bush believed was fundamental to
creating a safe and secure country.
I
strongly doubt the 65% figure though, and believe it's much
higher, basing this on my personal opinion. And don't forget
that these numbers came through the Iraqi government, which
isn't exactly the most honest and straight government in the
world.
Among
other findings, the poll also concludes that 82 percent of
Iraqis are against the continuing occupation, and that millions
of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks on occupation forces are
justified.
...
then I would shift your words a bit and say that this is part
of the very difficult process by which “every democratic
country goes through till it revolts, and achieves its granted
democracy, a natural process that results in a democratic
state where people rule themselves by electing governments
that represent them.
Ok,
then please don’t change my words. Occupations are never a
good step towards anywhere. Would you be saying that if the
French were occupying your country? Funny how you look at
occupation when your country is occupying, and not being
occupied. You are defending occupation while you don't have to.
Just being American doesn't hold you to the responsibility of
automatically defending what your government does, otherwise you
would be personally responsible for its actions; something you
really don't want.
In
today's global world, the United States simply cannot and will
not look the other way when someone like Hussein is destroying
the lives of those in his country (Kurds, Shias) as well as
those outside of his country (Iranians, Kuwaitis, etc.).
First
of all, Saddam hurt all Iraqis, including the Sunnis, and
including those from his home town. Sunnis were oppressed as
much as anyone else, and the fact that the secret service and
Saddam's inner circle were Sunnis doesn't mean that the rest of
the Sunnis were happy or privileged. There were attempted
revolutions against Saddam that originated in the
Sunni-dominated Al-Anbar province. Read about the revolution of
Al-Madhloom, about how many Sunni scholars Saddam had killed,
and how many Sunnis were jailed, tortured, or killed. Saddam
simply killed anyone and everyone who opposed him. He hated the
Shiites more, that is true, but that still doesn't mean the rest
of the people were pampered. This is just one of the lies that
the occupation is telling the world to justify its presence:
that the Sunnis are fighting the occupation because they led
privileged lives under Saddam.
Well,
the part where you said "the United States simply cannot
and will not look the other way when someone like Hussein is
destroying the lives of those in his country (Kurds, Shiites) as
well as those outside of his country (Iranians, Kuwaitis,
etc.)," makes me laugh, with all due respect, and makes me
cry at the same time.
It's
depressing how short Americans' memory is. Just let me remind
you that the reason behind this war was the weapons of mass
destruction (WMD), the ones that were never found, and alleged
relations with al-Qaeda, which were proved wrong; nothing else.
Worst of all, did you forget that the Americans gave Saddam the
green light to attack Kuwait, and supported him on all levels
when he attacked Iran? The American government actually gave
Saddam the weapons and the information needed for the war. You
haven't read that in the textbooks in your history major have
you?
And
where was the USA when hundreds of thousands were slaughtered in
Rwanda? Where was it when the Iraqis were dying under sanctions?
Where was it when other wars and genocides were being
perpetrated around the world? Why did they simply look the other
way?
What
you say makes me very sad, that a lot of decent good American
people like yourself accept the whatever their government tells
them and never question it, still believing in its "good
intentions."
I
know that all Americans, even the right wing and most of the war
supporters, want what's best for Iraq. Its just makes their
lives easier and helps them sleep better at night to simply
believe that their government is an angel sent by God to
liberate poor Iraqis from oppression, and simply deny everything
that Iraqis and everyone else in the world, with the exception
of their government, tells them about the terrible things they
did and are doing in Iraq.
If
you are true to the history, then you will recognize that
leaders and regimes have come and gone in Iraq just as any
other country, there is no difference. If you are
true to your Iraqi roots, you will not believe your own press
that "except that in Iraq, occupations never last, and
are always forced to leave". This is a vain hope not
grounded in reality.
I
just hope you didn’t mean that, or that I misunderstood you,
and that you aren't saying that you want the occupation to stay
on forever. Nevertheless, the history and the facts are just the
easiest indicator: regardless of the numerous occupations that
controlled Iraq, and controlled Baghdad since it was built by
Al-Mansour, and regardless of all their equipment and abilities
and propaganda, none of them lasted. Even the last occupation,
the British occupation, left. You just need to read about how
that happened and about all the other occupations, to understand
the future of the American occupation.
I
do think it is a shame, however, if you choose to see Saddam
Hussein's rule as a culmination of this history.
This
is another lie that the US government is telling the world:
whoever is anti-occupation is pro-Saddam.
Where
exactly did I say that I think Saddam Hussein was good? He was
one of the worst leaders that ever led Iraq, but that doesn't
give America the right to invade Iraq and destroy it and occupy
it, does it? Why Saddam? Mubarak in Egypt isn't much better.
Actually, none of the Arab world's leaders are much better. But
it just so happens that Saddam was the only one who refused to
normalize relations with the USA and Israel, a stance I am sure
a very, very small minority in the whole Arab world would
disagree with, including the populations of countries that have
"good" relations with Israel and the US. That's
actually the reason behind this war.
I
am not against cooperation with the US when it's setup as a
relationship between equals, but not when it's the way it is in
the Arab world now, as leaders (the US administration) and
followers (Arab governments). And I oppose any relations with
the Zionist state, because we don't recognize it as a country.
Finally,
I want to thank you for your hope, which I do believe is
sincere, that Iraq will rise up again, rebuild what was
destroyed, and have a fruitful future after the occupation ends.
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