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 Evolution debate The Admin has edit some words      
 Name: Health & Science Editor - IslamOnline
23/12/2002
(8:21) GMT
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There is a never-ending debate between evolutionists and 
creationists.  IslamOnline recently published several articles on 
the topic.  One of these articles, Thermodynamics Falsifies Evolution
, received a particularly high viewing.  Among the comments 
received by the 
Health & Science editor from readers were:
 
"Thermodynamics applies only to a closed system, and thanks to the 
sun, the earth is not a closed system.  You have no idea what you 
are talking about and it shows."
 
"Evolution and Thermodynamics Evolution is a well established fact. 
It does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Harun Yahya 
is completely wrong."
 
"The article says that entropy is a measure of disorder in a 
system. However, this is not the definition of entropy. Entropy is 
energy lost as unusable radiation. All physical processes that 
involve the transfer of energy (of any type, heat, motion, kinetic, 
electrical, etc.) involve not only a transfer of energy, but a 
slight loss of energy. Some engergy is inevitably converted to 
heat, and a portion at least of this energy is not recoverable, and 
will eventually radiate away into the universe generally. 
Additionally, the section about open systems is incorrect. There 
are three types of systems in which physical processes take place. 
An open system is one in which matter and energy (usually heat) can 
be freely exchanged with the outside of the system. A closed system 
is one in which energy, but not matter, can be exchanged with the 
outside. An isolated system is one in which neither matter nor 
energy can be exchanged with the outside. While such a system can 
be closely emulated, the only perfectly isolated system is the 
entire universe. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that only 
in such a system will total entropy only increase. However, this is 
a statistical law, and local variations are not only allowed, but 
are expected. The same type of statistical law explains the 
dispersion forces experienced by molecules, along with numerous 
other scientific and even sociological systems. Thus entropy can 
decrease dramatically on, for example, a small planet while 
innumerable stars radiate energy into the universe generally - some 
of which will be lost as unusable heat. In conclusion, entropy 
deals directly with only energy lost as heat, and nothing else, and 
mathematical laws allow local variations to the increase of entropy 
in a very large system (the universe). Also, please note that I am 
a Christian and believe in a divine Creation."
 
"You dance around the open-system facet of the second law, after 
praising the law as an immutable law of the universe.  The fact is 
this: If you consider the sun as well as the earth, then the 
overall order HAS decreased."
 
  
"The second law is talking about the whole universe which may or 
may not be closed. The earth and all of us are such an 
insignificance that local order from chaos is just that, local ( 
Does not the chaos of vacuum produce occasional order in the form 
of subatomic particles). I certainly do not believe in evolution as 
darwin presented it but to use the second law as evidence against 
it is a fallacy and will just confuse some people. I actually think 
that life is an exception to "the second law" and that should 
mankind avoid destroying this world through rampant breeding and 
destruction/poisoning of the earth, then eventually we will be 
powerfull enough  to as we wish including reversing entropy. But 
only if we survive the next few generations."
 
"Unfortunately,the author of the essay against evolution has missed 
an extremely important point. Namely, that if we don't believe it 
to be true then we are left with the absurd notion that some 
imaginary deity created everything. Perhaps if the author were to 
put the concept of 'God' under the microscope it would become 
apparent that evolution makes more sense, and has more evidence 
supporting it, than the naively fanciful alternative."
 
"The rational for this oft quoted falsehood being that the second 
law of thermodynamics states that entropy (disorder), will always 
increase in a closed system. As any fool knows, entropy must have 
decreased for evolution to take place as life involes the ordering 
of molecules, the development of systems to store information 
(genes) etc..and hence the apparent contradiction.
However the article fails to take into account the fact that the 
earth is not a closed system as it receives energy from the sun. It 
is this energy that powers evolution, and as such, the second law 
cannot be applied to the earth." 
 
Join in on the debate and tell us what you think.
 
                                                                    
                                                              
Health & Science Editor
                                                                    
                                                              
IslamOnline




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